I totally dont know how to begin but You did. confused

Excellent once again Paz!Sealed and Delivered.

Excellent Post! Pazuzu.Articles are worth the likes of a Nobel Candidate.

Hello Zein ,
Thank you for welcoming me back. D

Hello Oben,
Long time no See and I hope youre as fine as I am.I wish you could further elaborate the words underlined.

...which is agreed upon by all the researchers. The timing of this has been worked out by brother Ayman through his own work to be the first full moon following the summer solstice.

My next question is and correct me if I am wrong I understand that Ramadhan being translated as the hottest month of the year from the forum here I would tend to disagree that it should be the begnning of the first full moon when the summer soltice starts.If we look at the situation in the northern hemisphere where it all began,due to convection and reradiation of the earth surface the hottest month is definitely not the beginning of summer solstice as pointed out to you in your link.The earth surface is just warming up and this takes approximately 2 months to get up to the mean temperatue of about 45C and there after it starts to cool due to the movement of the sun south of the equator. As such that leaves doubt to your argument.

Relating this phenomenon to that of our domestic sauna where normal the temperature is set at about 45C .The occupants of this health facility are recommended not to stay longer than 20 minutes due to the adverse effect of the heat beyond that stipulated duration of time.As most of the readers of this forum knowthat the Quran was sent down in the month of Ramadan and due to the heat of the region where Mohammed was I would like to think that he did his daily routine of travelling and doing his business but from the facts of history that I knew of he hybernated or meditatedor whatever the case maybe in some cooler environment like caves away from the searing heat which was where he got his revelations.

In such a circumstance,It would really be ideal for one to fast because there is nothing much to do during this hot season.

Hello Dhul,

It is amazing to find your views and insight on several issues in this forum very disturbing to many.I for one tend to agree with you and in fact found it very rejuvenating on most of your arguments.It starts me thinking and researching what u said on several of them especially the ones that got your posts locked.I wonder if I could equate your experiences to the man Mohamed himself.I believe he must have had a hard time trying to bring reasonable arguments forward to the community of his time only to be jeered and spat at.
I give my hats to you Dhul.

Ok idolfree,

Now I understand the relationship between the picture and Abraham's experience.
About the 3 pigs and the wolfs that goes about huffing and puffing it all boils down to which of the pigs are intersted in having a solid foundation even if it means taking a long while to build it.As it can be seen from the aerial view of the mosque and flattened adjacent piece of land one must always learn to have a solid foundation even in religion.

Thanks for the clrification.

Hi,
Idolfree wrote

That picture makes me think of when Abraham destroyed all the idols except the BIGGEST ONE. Lets ask that "masjid" what happened.

I dont really understand what u meant by the statement above,about asking the mosque about the state of affairs, but what I do know is a similar aesop fable about a wolf and 3 little pigs.
Looking at the photgraph Omari presented one cannot deny that the poor villagers contributed much money to building a concrete mosque thus depriving themsleves of upgrading their homes to a better concrete ones.I definitely would not agree if someone tells me that God saved the the mosque becuz its house of god.If it had been the reverse whereby the mosque and the other villagers built theirs houses on stilts and leaves and a rich man built his with concrete are we going to say God saved only the rich ??

cheers.

Sura 103 ASR

1. By (the Token of) Time (through the ages),
2. Verily Man is in loss,
3. Except such as have Faith, and do righteous deeds, and (join together) in the mutual teaching of Truth, and of Patience and Constancy.

You will notice in Sura 103, there is no mention of "all" of man being in loss...except, it just says "man is in loss" and then Allah goes on to qualify what He means by that. If Allah had said..."all" of man is in loss, except, then, that would constitute a contradiction, because all means all without exception.

Yes, all means without exception UNLESS THE EXCEPTION IS GIVEN IN THE VERY SAME VERSE!! If I say to you'

"All" of the people on this forum are posting "Except" Layth, what does that mean to you? Have you never used this type of speaking before? Have you never heard this before?

Hmm lets see other translations.

103.001
YUSUFALI By (the Token of) Time (through the ages),
PICKTHAL By the declining day,
SHAKIR I swear by the time,
KHALIFA By the afternoon.

103.002
YUSUFALI Verily Man is in loss,
PICKTHAL Lo! man is a state of loss,
SHAKIR Most surely man is in loss,
KHALIFA The human being is utterly lost.

103.003
YUSUFALI Except such as have Faith, and do righteous deeds, and (join together) in the mutual teaching of Truth, and of Patience and Constancy.
PICKTHAL Save those who believe and do good works, and exhort one another to truth and exhort one another to endurance.
SHAKIR Except those who believe and do good, and enjoin on each other truth, and enjoin on each other patience.
KHALIFA Except those who believe and lead a righteous life, and exhort one another to uphold the truth, and exhort one another to be steadfast

I cannot fully agree with you Idolfree because there must be a reason for man's loss of something and this is aswered in the next verse which are loss of faith,righteous deeds ,truth,patience and conistency.

cheers.

PB,

I cannot speak for dhul though I think he is totally correct on this matter], but I too believe Al-Shaitan, the title of Iblis, was human. Of course being human, Shaitan, died many many centuries ago, however, and, once again, I must agree with dhul that, Shaitan/Satan,

This may sound spooky to some. lol

055.050
YUSUFALI In them (each) will be two Springs flowing (free);
PICKTHAL Wherein are two fountains flowing.
SHAKIR In both of them are two fountains flowing.
KHALIFA Two springs are in them, flowing.

055.051
YUSUFALI Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-
PICKTHAL Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
SHAKIR Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?
KHALIFA Which of your Lord's marvels can you deny?

055.052
YUSUFALI In them will be Fruits of every kind, two and two.
PICKTHAL Wherein is every kind of fruit in pairs.
SHAKIR In both of them are two pairs of every fruit.
KHALIFA Of every fruit in them, two kinds.

This Sura ,I understand it to mean 2 different characteristics.The reward of hereafter are also in pairs for the two of them,including two gardens.Any elaboration on this?

One more question are the verses that deals with people of the scripture include the Arabs now that they are no longer UMMI's.My race did not get the book yet.

cheers.

Zlatan,

MythozDog wrote
e]>Who was the God of Moses? This Jehovah?

Did he really demand sacrifice of Abraham. The act of sacrifice seems
somewhat pagan and most likely mans idea ...not unlike the Aztecs
sacrifices on blood alters.

What sacrifice was MythozDog refering to whe he mentioned Abrahams sacrifice?
Zlatan wrote

This was a test?.you need to sacrifice to prove your loyalty and sincerity in seving The God?..the sacrificing is the best evidence of the love and sincerity?and it requires a character to sacrifice

cheers.

Zenje,

We can study together, if we don't agree on something, it's okay, no problem, if we agree, good! If I'm wrong, God is my judge. It seems to me, SHM, if someone disagrees with you, you take it upon yourself to go on and on and on... give it up man. You're not going to guide me or anyone here. The messenger couldn't guide the ones he loved, can you? You have your opinion, you gave it, move on. I have mine, I said what it is. Are you 100% sure you're right and I'm wrong?

Sounds very much like when I dominate a lecture class.Everything is either balck or white to ME.

Hi,

The most dangerous attribute I have is EGO(Shaytan).I try to contain shaytan but when it overwhelms me not only would my vision be impaired my senses and my brain would become mushy.

lol take it as a loose cannon.

SHM,

SHM wroteI can indeed protrate and get marks on my entire face, especially if i am protrating on grass!!!

No a single example is unqualified.I am trying to ascertain and collect datas to see how many muslim people in this world has marks on their forehead,nose cheeks,mouths,lips to confirm this verse that the marks of prostration should be on their face.

Now because this subject is not new ie about marks on their faces ,I was given an opportunity to do a survey years ago when I was still a muslim on this subject and the best place was in Mecca during the Hajj season of DhulHijja.

My finding confirms only a few pilgrims had dark marks of abrasion on their forehead ,prolly due to head banging against the floor but the rest of their faces Nil marks of abrasion.

So your point about marks on their faces does not hold any weight.It is meant to be something else and not physical marks.

Cheers.

SHM,

How can sujoob mean anythign else. what ever way you try to "intrepret" sujood, this vrese baliantly state that the believer got marks on their faces from bowing.

My question would be

1. the marks come from prostration or bowing?
   2.Do you mean physical marks on their foreheads or faces??

cheer.

PB,

Priest wrote to Vincentia
You really shouldn't come to such...conjectural conclusions, you will only be disappointed in the end...

Why do you think I'm dhul?

There was once a Good debater who posted very bold and frank views of what he thought was right.In so doing he made a couple of people here have nightmares till he was exiled at the very end.His name was DhulQarnain.Although the ghost of Dhulqarnain still haunts them such that any debater who comes with very positive note and views to present his case here, they will exhibit paranoia and would like to comfort themselves by making sure they are not arguing to Ghosts.

I use to have a bad eyesight before when Dhul was around but now after the operations the spelling and style of Priest_bokmei cannot be the same as Dhulqarnain.The only person that could correct this misconception would be Layth because only he would be able to view the IP numbers, which apparently he did not ,so I hope those who wish to hallucinate please refrain yourselves especially when the Quran does not allow us to indulge in Ghosts,Conjectures and Fantasy.

Priest_Bokmei if I missed welcoming you before,Heres to you for coming up with a few Fine posts.
cheers.

Marie,

Perfect answer from the Al-Qur'an, which is one of the reason I need to really brush up my knowledge of second hand Arabic to know now that Aqimoo and Aqimi means you.

For many years I have always had doubt about this verse but now I can rest easy.

Thanks and much appreciated.

Hello PB,

I cannot see you, but I'm certain that you are not an immaterial being...right? I cannot see the tribes which rule the U.S.A., however, they are not invisible beings, meaning, lacking material substance, but are out of my physical sight or ability to socially access.

Could these tribes socially interact amongst themselves?

cheers.

Hello IdolFree,

I have asked this to Hafeez before but I am going to ask you just for good measure.Taking the northern hemisphere as an example ;during summer at latitudes beyond 66 degrees North the sun does not set at all so how do you abide to the dawn and dusk salat??

So the translation of Salat=Commitment=? would be independent of the movement of the Sun relative to us here on earth.

Cheers.

lol agreed lol

no where on earth are such things carried out,Gross distortions by the translators.)

cheers