My email [email protected] if you would like to talk further.

I hope not.

In 'al quran' itself, it recommends mutual consultation, thus why would it recommend that if we all have to believe in the same things?

There are other examples in 'the reading' of this concept.

I just wanted to reiterate the fact that the Qur'an prohibits compulsion in the deen, so therefore God knows there will be people that disagree with one another.

I wanted to ask you, based on your comments, if you meant to imply that its okay that we all DON'T have to believe in the same things across the board, even if it means not believing in the God at all. I'm sure that's not what you meant, but it came across that way for a second. Thanks

Zach

Salam

Actually if you took the time to look anything up before asserting that manna is not found in the Qur'an, then you should find that manna is in fact present in the Qur'an. 257 Thanks!

Peace,

Where is this news from? I don't think it's true brother

Peace,

TheNabi, because there was no such thing as marriage between men and men in those days. Now, it is safe to say, there is. The point I was trying to make is, just because it didn't exist and God doesn't talk about it, is it prohibited? There is nothing that alludes to marriage being exclusively between men and women. Yes, every time marriage is mentioned, it is between a man and a woman, because thats what marriage meant. The meaning of marriage is changing now before our eyes. (Actually it has changed much since the Qur'an's time, even between men and women) Can we safely apply the changing meaning of marriage to the same concept of marriage found in the Qur'an? And who is to say that someone can or cannot apply the meaning of marriage in these days (or even in the future) to the concept found in the Qur'an?

Peace.
Zach

Peace,

Is the prohibition against the marriage between man and man in the Qur'an itself? Or is this just basically nothing to do with it? Another question In another, lets say, 500 years. If gay marriage is very prevalent and even mainstream Muslims and Christians engage/approve of it, don't you think that if someone were to say "This is prohibited by the Qur'an!", future free-minders will object and say "Nowhere is this prohibition found in the Qur'an!" Am i right, or am i really right

WARNING Mature Content

Peace,

Is there a chance that when God is talking about the men in the story of Lut that he was referring to men who had sex with men LIKE they did with women? Why I'm mentioning this is because homosexuality was known to be prevalent for a very long time, and normal. HOWEVER, anal sex WAS NOT seen as normal. If a man were to have anal sex with another man, then it was seen as preverse, wicked, sinful, gross, etc.. However, without getting into too much detail, I'm trying to say that anal sex is not the exclusive form of sex that homosexuals practice, and indeed MANY, if not most, homosexuals DO NOT have anal sex. And indeed many homosexuals believe it is wrong to have anal sex BECAUSE its not genital-to-genital, excuse my french!, sex. When a man and a woman have sex, it is genital-to-genital. When a man and another man have sex, they DO NOT have to have anal sex, rather they "bump and grind" against one another, which if you ask almost all homosexuals, they will tell you that even before they knew what sex was, that is what they wanted to do with other boys their age. They never grew up knowing what anal sex was until someone told them, but naturally as they were growing up, they had a desire to bump and grind with another male as opposed to having anal sex with them. I think anal sex is something that was basically thrust upon the gay community as their form of sex, so it was a self-fulfilling prophecy type of thing. But to my understanding, many gay men do not like/participate/believe in anal sex. So, if we were to use that premise in discussing homosexuality, would anything change? And regarding Lot's people, could it be perhaps that anal sex was their crime? Trying to insert your penis into something else IN PLACE OF something else but not procreating?

This is the link!!!!!

http//search.csmonitor.com/2005/0204/p01s04-wome.html?s=t5

Peace,

Idolfree, your reply was one of the very few times where you justified your belief WITHOUT the verses of the Qur'an. Unusual.

Zach

Peace,

I feel like this post is very important and deserves your utmost attention. We are at a very critical juncture in the history of mankind. The threat of Mainstream Islamic radicalism and the existence of nuclear arms are both very dangerous and if something is not done to stop the SOURCE of Islamic radicalism soon, I feel like we will only survive a few more years, if that. It has and will continue to become easier for terrorists to obtain nuclear arms and destroy or cripple the modern world in order to change the world order and reverse the injustices that have been done against them. This is a war and both sides have acknowledged this already. The world in general has called it the war on terrorism, but the radicals also believe they are fighting in a war. The United States has taken the direction that the threat is here to stay so obviously, it WILL GO ON FOR AT LEAST DECADES. And I do not think that we will last that long before a disaster wipes away a good chunk of our population.

I hope you think more about this and it becomes clearer to you that you must take concrete steps in order to help combat this threat. You ALL KNOW that a muslim renaissance is bound to happen at some point, and it is CRITICAL that it happens VERY SOON. This is possible because history confirms that considerable change or shifts in the world and humanity do not have to be gradual and could be accomplished easily in single events and short time periods.

Let's take a look at Sura 1101-3, the LAST SURA REVEALED

1. When triumph comes from GOD, and victory.
2. You will see the people embracing God's system (which is submission, peace) in throngs.
3. You shall glorify and praise your Lord, and implore Him for forgiveness.

Interestingly, the FIRST sura revealed is Sura 96, which starts with these first 5 verses

Read, in the name of your Lord, who created.
He created man from an embryo.
Read, and your Lord, Most Exalted.
Teaches by means of the pen.
He teaches man what he never knew

We have learned that he Qur'an is a narration, hadith, story. So when telling a story and breaking it up into chapters, your introduction and your ending are usually connected. To me it sounds like God has made a connection, not just in these suras but also in so many other places in the Qur'an, between knowledge (reading and writing) and people embracing God's system in throngs. It is, in effect, a direct result because God is the one that teaches by means of the pen and what else would God teach through the pen but the embracing of his system?

So therefore, the time is ripe certainly now more than ever and it is a duty on you as a believer to make sure that a catastrophe doesn't happen because WE HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE that many people do not. Most people know NOTHING about following the Qur'an alone. It is time for all of us to be messengers of truth, bringing with us the light of God to these people that come so close to following God's right path but deviate because no one has told them any other way. You all know that radicalism stems from the mistranslation of the reading, the inclusion of satanic hadith and indoctrination of what i call the muslim diaspora, whom we need to reach out and save from their own hell and bring them back to the light they once had, bring them home. Is it really that much to ask? What really is our excuse for not spreading this very very important message? I feel in this day and age, it is a shame to hide the Truth to ourselves knowing that it will harm the rest of humanity. The Qur'an was given us to WARN. That is a central function, not just spiritual guidance. Since the death of the prophet, we have witnessed the paradigm shifting to personal gain spirituality, becoming closer to God, making sure we do the right things to please God, etc but not spreading it. We must seek to balance the system of God and actually look at the Qur'an from a different perspective and NOT ON AN INDIVIDUALISTIC What's in it for me outlook, but to SAVE HUMANITY. This is a REAL and SIGNIFICANT role of the Qur'an.

We must mobilize to promote the Qur'an through any means possible. This includes tapping into the resources that have traditionally been seen as corrupt such as media and government and utilizing them for their power. It needs to happen in any way possible. We should begin discussions and start an email group and set a timeline for specific goals to happen, and begin holding internet meetings. We should fulfill the Qur'anic prophecy that a creature made of earthly materials will declare and state that the people were not certain about God' revelations. God frequently says he is in control of all things, so it is our intuition that we should "wait" for this to happen on its own, but God says He will not change the condition of a people unless they change themselves. A good example is the preservation of Pharoah for future generations. God states that it is He has preserved it for future generations, although human beings did have to invent the process of mummification. He is preparing us and will use as he did the Egyptians with the mummification, starting with people on this forum, to declare through the computer that there must be a stop to this doubt of divine revelation, which is the SINGLE problem that atheists, disbelievers, and muslim radicals ALL FACE. There is no widespread complete trust in God's words and this is the doubt that will cripple humanity in the near future. And it doesn't have to be this way, and it won't be this way, because the prophecys must come true and this is the only logical timeframe in my mind that God would have them come true because we face an unprecedented danger to the existence of humanity itself, the single most important issue above issues.

I will propose something that I think may or may not work, but we are desperate so we must be innovative in our thinking. The world leadership at this point is more in need of help against radicalism than anything. They will, hands down, listen to ANY information being given to them that will help and aid them in their fight against terrorism. That being said, a very effective organization made up of believers who are against hadith and pro One source can convince the world leadership that the most effective way to quell future battles against radicalism is to fund the Qur'an-alone movement in the Middle East and catapult it through a creation of mass information that seeks to teach the people about the PEACEFUL system of God and the limitations of war that have been breached by radicals. I feel as though maybe even a committee that can serve on the UN for purposes of propagation of what they will deem as probably "moderate Islam", but will be in effect the actual system of God that they will be helping to build. I feel as though this could work if done properly. The United States has already been very active in assuring that the Western ideals have a voice in the Middle East through radio channels, television networks, and a greater variety of channels through which their views can be properly addressed. I feel as if the United States can do this successfully, the general world leadership will have no problem propogating anti-hadith elements if it means calming a region that is inflamed with terrorism down. This is one idea among many more that should, except if God wills, be presented by all of you in the future. I hope you have taken my message seriously and will work toward an implementation of what we know to be the best system that exists in the universe. It is a time to be brave and daring, to reignite our passion for serving God, as is our purpose, by serving His people. I hope this post reaches you in your best of health mentally, physically and spiritually. God bless us as we move forward and refuse to regress.

Got this in an email....

www.islamicfeminism.org

Name Abdennur Prado
Message Press Release

The First International Congress on Islamic Feminism has been convoked
by the Junta Isl?mica Catalana (Catalonian Islamic Council) and will
take place in Barcelona on the 27th, 28th and 29th of October 2005.

The aim of this initiative is to make known the emerging movement of
Muslim women in favour of gender equality, to seek greater coordination
between Muslim women and the international feminist movement, as well
as to analyse the terms in which the ?gender question? is addressed in
the Islamic world and to promote internal debate on Islam and feminism.

There are those that take for granted that Islam oppresses women and
that this cannot be changed. From this perspective, westernization is
the only way to achieve the Islamic woman's liberation. Opposing this
interpretation which attacks their traditions, is a women's movement
claiming the possibility of achieving liberation within the framework
of Islam. This movement considers that a degradation of the legal
tradition of Islam and a distortion of the Sacred Texts have taken
place, resulting in the current patriarchal structure and sexist laws
of many of the Islamic countries. Moreover, this movement affirms that
the true Islam contains important elements of liberation and calls for
the recovery of those elements as a framework for the emancipation of
Muslim societies.

It is anticipated that Muslim women from Morocco, Pakistan, Iran,
Malaysia, Indonesia, France, the USA, Spain, Nigeria and Mali will
participate in the Conference. In addition, the presence of the
following organisations, in the form of participation by their
representatives, stands out Zainah Anwar, president of Sisters in
Islam (Malaysia); Lily Zakiyah Munir, founder of the Centre for
Pesantrem and Democracy Studies (Indonesia); Mufuliat Fijabi, of Boabab
for Women?s Human Rights (Nigeria); and Ahmed Naseef, founder of Muslim
Wake Up! and of the Progressive Muslim Union of North America.

Amongst the speakers to attend will be distinguished Muslim
intellectuals such as Amina Wadud, Asma Barlas or Riffat Hassan, known
for their reading of the sacred Quran from a feminist focus.

It is also anticipated that the head of the Gender Equality and
Development Section of UNESCO, Valentine Moghadam (born in Iran), and
the spokesperson and daughter of the founder of the Islamic Moroccan
movement Al Adl wa al Ihsane (Justice and Charity), Nadia Yassine will
participate.

In addition, the presence of Raheel Raza (Pakistan-Canada), Dgingarey
Maiga (Mali), Leyla Bousquet (France) and various local feminist
organisations must be highlighted.

The Conference has been conceived of from a participative point of
view, with discussions and debates about such red-hot topics as the
need for collaboration between feminists of different origins and
traditions, feminist leadership, the reading of the Quran from a gender
focus, or the strained relations between feminism, islamism and Islamic
Law.

This is the first conference of these characteristics and it has
already generated great interest in Spain. The Generalitat de Catalunya
(catalan autonomous government), the Barcelona City Council and the
Department of Labour and Social Affairs are sponsoring the Conference.
In addition, the UNESCO Centre of Catalonia is collaborating.

For more information and registrations
www.islamicfeminism.org
[email protected]

Peace Y'all,

I'm Zach. I've created a MySpace group specifically for the promotion of the Qur'an. I'm inviting everyone here to join.

http//groups.myspace.com/themission

MySpace is huge especially with the college population and I think it would be a great resource for our movement. Thanks and God bless...

Zach

Peace,

I have a feeling that we have become a little confused about a certain issue. We seem to think that there are more than 2 types of verses in the Quran when the Quran says that there are only two types of verses in the Qur'an law-giving, and allegorical. So when we talk about the beast to come, does that really mean there is a beast coming? Well, we would all say ofcourse not. However, we do not go futher. We should continue to ask ourselves if there is even ANYTHING literally coming at all. This can be applied to many verses that we have become attached to and tend to explain with a semi-literal theory.

Zachariah

Peace,

I was having a conversation with someone that believed there was no sanctioning of any kind of government governed by the principles of the Qur'an, that government was inherently evil and that there never existed a government that did not oppress its people in some fashion. What do you say to this? Are there clear indications to set up government in the Qur'an? The person I was speaking to thought that the best way is self-governance. ARE all government inherently evil? And are we called by the Qur'an to dismantle governments or to support them as governed by the principles of the Qur'an? Thoughts and comments appreciated!

Zach

Hey y'all,

I thought this article was very interesting. When people who profess to follow the Qur'an start using (and reading) the Qur'an to debate with people, it is truly something beneficial to the Qur'an alone movement. Why? Because they become more open to the idea and their hearts soften a bit, I think. Especially if its something like this, something that many Muslims the world over think is okay (suicide bombings to defend one's country, killing of innocents etc.) By the way, I found this on the front page of Yahoo.com. It was the 5th News article link down from the TOP news. This is good news This article just really motivates me for some reason because its kind of like "Wow. This is news to us Americans that the Qur'an is anti-terrorism." We knew that all along, but its something very very new to the whole world. And if you really really think about it, debating terrorism using the Qur'an opens up a whole new door for Muslims. When one person is using the Qur'an to dissuade terrorism, and then another Muslim opens up Bukhari in order to support terrorism, then you have conflict between the Muslims. I can see that Muslim Judge now "Well, the Qur'an supersedes the hadith in this issue because the Qur'an is clearly anti-terrorism." This will spark debate and hopefully some thought on whether the hadith should be something swept under the rug, even for purposes that may not be pro-Qur'anic maybe just a PR type of thing like "Damn, this hadith is really making us look bad. Maybe we should make up reasons to disown it or discredit it." Although it DOES make them look bad, it's not the BEST reason to ditch the hadith. It's because it's not God's word. But hey, a start is a start. Read on. It's late at night and I'm not sure if the words are coming out right..

Koranic duels ease terror

Sun Feb 6,1020 AM ET

In Yemen, a theological contest cools Al Qaeda hotbed.

By James Brandon, Contributor to The Christian Science Monitor

SANAA, YEMEN - When Judge Hamoud al-Hitar announced that he and four other Islamic scholars would challenge Yemen's Al Qaeda prisoners to a theological contest, Western antiterrorism experts warned that this high-stakes gamble would end in disaster.

Nervous as he faced five captured, yet defiant, Al Qaeda members in a Sanaa prison, Judge Hitar was inclined to agree. But banishing his doubts, the youthful cleric threw down the gauntlet, in the hope of bringing peace to his troubled homeland.

"If you can convince us that your ideas are justified by the Koran, then we will join you in your struggle," Hitar told the militants. "But if we succeed in convincing you of our ideas, then you must agree to renounce violence."

The prisoners eagerly agreed.

Now, two years later, not only have those prisoners been released, but a relative peace reigns in Yemen. And the same Western experts who doubted this experiment are courting Hitar, eager to hear how his "theological dialogues" with captured Islamic militants have helped pacify this wild and mountainous country, previously seen by the US as a failed state, like Iraq (news - web sites) and Afghanistan (news - web sites).

"Since December 2002, when the first round of the dialogues ended, there have been no terrorist attacks here, even though many people thought that Yemen would become terror's capital," says Hitar, eyes glinting shrewdly from beneath his emerald-green turban. "Three hundred and sixty-four young men have been released after going through the dialogues and none of these have left Yemen to fight anywhere else."

"Yemen's strategy has been unconventional certainly, but it has achieved results that we could never have hoped for," says one European diplomat, who did not want to be named. "Yemen has gone from being a potential enemy to becoming an indispensable ally in the war on terror."

To be sure, the prisoner-release program is not solely responsible for the absence of attacks in Yemen. The government has undertaken a range of measures to combat terrorism from closing down extreme madrassahs, the Islamic schools sometimes accused of breeding hate, to deporting foreign militants.

Eager to spread the news of his success, Hitar welcomes foreigners into his home, fussing over them and pouring endless cups of tea. But beyond the otherwise nondescript house, a sense of menace lurks. Two military jeeps are parked outside, and soldiers peer through the gathering dark at passing cars. The evening wind sweeps through the unpaved streets, lifting clouds of dust and whipping up men's jackets to expose belts hung with daggers, pistols, and mobile telephones.

Seated amid stacks of Korans and religious texts, Hitar explains that his system is simple. He invites militants to use the Koran to justify attacks on innocent civilians and when they cannot, he shows them numerous passages commanding Muslims not to attack civilians, to respect other religions, and fight only in self-defense.

For example, he quotes "Whoever kills a soul, unless for a soul, or for corruption done in the land - it is as if he had slain all mankind entirely. And, whoever saves one, it is as if he had saved mankind entirely." He uses the passage to bolster his argument against bombing Western targets in Yemen - attacks he says defy the Koran. And, he says, the Koran says under no circumstances should women and children be killed.

If, after weeks of debate, the prisoners renounce violence they are released and offered vocational training courses and help to find jobs.

Hitar's belief that hardened militants trained by Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) in Afghanistan could change their stripes was initially dismissed by US diplomats in Sanaa as dangerously naive, but the methods of the scholarly cleric have little in common with the other methods of fighting extremism. Instead of lecturing or threatening the battle-hardened militants, he listens to them.

"An important part of the dialogue is mutual respect," says Hitar. "Along with acknowledging freedom of expression, intellect and opinion, you must listen and show interest in what the other party is saying."

Only after winning the militants' trust does Hitar gradually begin to correct their beliefs. He says that most militants are ordinary people who have been led astray. Just as they were taught Al Qaeda's doctrines, he says, so too can they be taught more- moderate ideas. "If you study terrorism in the world, you will see that it has an intellectual theory behind it," says Hitar. "And any kind of intellectual idea can be defeated by intellect."

The program's success surprised even Hitar. For years Yemen was synonymous with violent Islamic extremism. The ancestral homeland of Mr. bin Laden, it provided two-thirds of recruits for his Afghan camps, and was notorious for kidnappings of foreigners and the bombing of the American warship USS Cole (news - web sites) in 2000 that killed 17 sailors. Resisting US pressure, Yemen declined to meet violence with violence.

"It's only logical to tackle these people through their brains and heart," says Faris Sanabani, a former adviser to President Abdullah Saleh and editor-in-chief of the Yemen Observer, a weekly English-language newspaper. "If you beat these people up they become more stubborn. If you hit them, they will enjoy the pain and find something good in it - it is a part of their ideology. Instead, what we must do is erase what they have been taught and explain to them that terrorism will only harm Yemenis' jobs and prospects. Once they understand this they become fighters for freedom and democracy, and fighters for the true Islam," he says.

Some freed militants were so transformed that they led the army to hidden weapons caches and offered the Yemeni security services advice on tackling Islamic militancy. A spectacular success came in 2002 when Abu Ali al Harithi, Al Qaeda's top commander in Yemen, was assassinated by a US air-strike following a tip-off from one of Hitar's reformed militants.

Yet despite the apparent success in Yemen, some US diplomats have criticized it for apparently letting Islamic militants off the hook with little guarantee that they won't revert to their old ways once released from prison.

Yemen, however, argues that holding and punishing all militants would create only further discontent, pointing out that the actual perpetrators of attacks have all been prosecuted, with the bombers of the USS Cole and the French oil tanker, the SS Limburg. All received death sentences.

"Yemeni goals are long-term political aims whereas the American agenda focuses on short-term prosecution of military or law enforcement objectives," wrote Charles Schmitz, a specialist in Yemeni affairs, in 2004 report for the Jamestown Foundation, an influential US think tank.

"These goals are not necessarily contradictory, with each government recognizing that compromises and accommodations must be made, but their ambiguities create tense moments."

Some members of the Yemeni government also hanker for a more iron-fisted approach, and Yemen remains on high alert for further attacks. Fighter planes regularly swoop low over the ancient mud-brick city of Sanaa to send a clear message to any would-be militants.

An additional cause of friction with the US is that while Yemen successfully discourages attacks within its borders on the grounds that tourism and trade will suffer, it has done little to tackle anti-Western sentiment or the corruption, poverty, and lack of opportunity that fuels Islamic militancy.

"Yemen still faces serious challenges, but despite the odd hiccup, we sometimes have to admit that Yemenis know Yemen best," says the European diplomat. "And if their system works, who are we to complain?"

As the relative success of Yemen's unusual approach becomes apparent, Hitar has been invited to speak to antiterrorism specialists at London's New Scotland Yard, as well as to French and German police, hoping to defuse growing militancy among Muslim immigrants.

US diplomats have also approached the cleric to see if his methods can be applied in Iraq, says Hitar.

"Before the dialogues began, there was only one way to fight terrorism, and that was through force," he says. "Now there is another way dialogue."

Peace,

I'm not sure where I should post this topic so I will post here. I'm a 19 year old student currently living in Birmingham, Alabama. I'm going through some rough times right now. I'm looking to relocate to the San Francisco area (or within 20-50 miles of it) in a few weeks, or as soon as possible. I would already have a job to transfer to as a restaurant server. My only problem is I do not have anywhere to stay. I have transportation, and I will be driving across country in my own car. I'm looking for either a roommate, or some cheap lodging options in the San Francisco or surrounding areas ( even between Sacramento and San Francisco) until I can find a place to stay. Does ANYONE here have ANY advice for temporary lodging? Or is anybody here living in that area that is looking for a roommate? If so, please, reply and include some information. Thank you so much.

God Bless,
Zachariah

This scripture is infallible; a beacon for the righteous, those who believe with the unseen/hidden and keep up/call for the salat and from what We provided for them they spend.

This scripture is infallible; a beacon for the righteous, those who believe with the unseen/hidden and keep up/call for the salat and from what We provided for them they spend.

Explain that to me.

Zachariah

---

I see a generation rising up
No longer accepting lies
Running to the battlefield
And losing their lives
I see a generation rising up
No longer accepting lies
As a band of worshippers
Running to the battlefield
And finding their lives

Haven't you already established that the Reading is 100% Completely Inspired by the Creator? I don't understand your unwillingness to believe the stories that are inspired by the Creator if you have already established that they were inspired by the Creator? Like you said, if a friend came to me saying that they did something miraculous with the help of God, I'm not going to repeat that to everyone I know and believe it to be true. However, my friend is not God, so if God says something then it is absolutely true, if you have already established that the Reading is from God. However, correct me if I'm wrong but I'm going to deduce that your logic for not defending the stories found in the Reading is that the God has told us not to accept any information without verifying it, and not to "pursue" that which we have no knowledge. Yet how can you accept part of the Reading and reject another part? Let me ask you, ARE you even rejecting? Or are you simply saying that these stories are metaphors? And if they are metaphors, do you have extremely convincing evidence, since the God has not explicitly stated that they were metaphors?

Since I've heard so much about the stick turning into a snake, look what happened to those Brethren of Israel even after they saw the sea split in front of their eyes and the stick turn into a snake

287 Moses went to you with profound miracles, yet you worshiped the calf in his absence, and you turned wicked.

What does God mean by that? Isn't God suggesting that even after all those miracles that the Children of Israel saw, they turned wicked.

HENCE, Miracles do not help. They are there to augment the faithful and yet sometimes that still does not happen.

2118 Those who possess no knowledge say, 'If only GOD could speak to us, or some miracle could come to us!' Others before them have uttered similar utterances; their minds are similar. We do manifest the miracles for those who have attained certainty.

You can take this two ways. Either to help your case that miracles do not exist. Or, since it is in the present tense and revealed to Muhammad's followers in the 7th century and there were no miracles performed by Muhammad, then this verse can help us explain WHY MIRACLES DO NOT EXIST. I completely agree that miracles DO NOT exist. That is, in the present tense, DO NOT. Miracles ended with Jesus. End of story. We are now in an age where miracles have been eradicated.

2211
Ask the Children of Israel how many profound miracles have we shown them!

1759
What stopped us from sending the miracles is that the previous generations have rejected them. For example, we showed Thamoud the camel, a profound (miracle), but they transgressed against it. We sent the miracles only to instill reverence.

Why did the previous generations before Muhammad even during Jesus time (not all during Jesus' time believed in his miracles) and before that DEMAND miracles?

6109 They swore by GOD, solemnly, that if a miracle came to them, they would surely believe. Say, 'Miracles come only from GOD.' For all you know, if a miracle did come to them, they would continue to disbelieve.

These are only a few examples of the many times God describes his reasoning for not sending down any miracles any more. Muhammad did not even have any miracles to show his people. Besides, if God did want to send a miracle, who would he send the miracle down with? Throughout the Qur'an, miracles are virtually sent down with a Nabi. Where is the Nabi for the 21st Century? Even if there was a Nabi or a Rasool for our time he most assuredly wouldn't bring down any miracles with him. The bringer of the Healing, the book that will save all of humanity and bring it to the path of righteousness, did not bring with him anything except the Reading. Reflect.

Hey y'all,

I just wanted to bring up a good point. The Reading repeatedly, repeatedly, has a recurring theme of having transactions witnessed. There are also 2 verses dealing specifically with writing our business transactions down. NO MATTER HOW SMALL OR HOW BIG THE TRANSACTION MAY BE. Why, might you ask, would God want us to write things down? Hmmm... to reduce the doubts between the two transacting parties, whomever they may be. Wow. God cares so much about us writing things down we have to have people witness it, AND having a BACKUP plan just in case there are not two men that can witness (a very rare case indeed when you cannot find two men, but hey it is possible so God made room in the Reading to tell us just in case it happens).

Can we all deduce that God cares a lot about how we deal with our business transactions? I want you all to think about this for 10 measly seconds.

The question I want to pose to anyone who supports the corrupted hadith of Bukhari and Co., is Do you believe that Muhammad followed God's commandment to write down transactions and have witnesses witness these transactions?

I'm sure it wasn't so much fun to have to go through writing everything down, big or small, and having a witness come witness what was going on EVERYTIME, seeing as he was a successful merchant according to your traditions. So, I'm sure he was used to having to follow God's commandment to do all this.

The point is Why the crap didn't he write down (or get someone to write down since you might believe him to have been illiterate) the religious orders that he gave while he was in command of the Muslim Ummah? Why didn't he write them down, get people to witness them, and preserve them for the salvation of the future billions of Muslims? He most definitely could have. But he didn't. Because the only religious orders that matter to ME MYSELF AND I, are whatever is in the Most Holy Book. Thank you.

p.s. I guess its more important to write down that someone owes you 50 shekels for some spices than it is to write down that silk is a bad bad fabric to wear if you happen to have the ability to make sperm. lol lol lol

Family of the Scripture,

How are you all doing? My name is Zach and this is one of the very few times I post here, however I do read many of the wonderful and inspiring words that I find on this board. I am so glad to be a part of this ever-growing Quran-based journey towards an all-inclusive community of believers. I want you all to know that you are a part of God's plan for the whole world. Heck, I'd go as far as saying you ARE God's plan for the whole world. Doesn't that sound amazing?

Q.1101-3
In the name of God, the Almighty, the Most Merciful
When God's victory and conquest comes.
And you see mankind entering into God's system in flocks.
You shall glorify your Lord's grace, and seek His forgiveness. He is the Redeemer.

This system will come, in accordance with The Will. We can not stop it from coming and it is the same if we try to HELP this system come or not, it WILL come as promised.

I am here to propose an idea that will foster this system. That said, we must realize that the system does not need us to foster it. It is for OUR benefit to appreciate and implement the system in our lives. For the system of God is made for humans and it is useless unless it is implemented in society. This is our system. Let us take advantage of he Guidance and the Light that the Almighty has bestowed upon us. Let us follow in the footsteps of Abraham and his son and utilize the foundation of monotheism that he has built with the Help and Mercy of our Lord.

Let us be an example for the all the nations.

O you who believe, let's come together, for we United we are ONE. The system of God is al-Islam---The Unity. As God is One, God's followers must also be ONE. Join me in the march for a civilized world, where if a human being is killed unjustly, it is as if you yourself have died. It is as if the whole WORLD has been KILLED. Will you then not defend YOURSELF? For you and your neighbor are all one. This system of God's is Overwhelming. It is Breathtaking. It is Challenging. It forces you to Grow up. Yet if we are all divided, then it is Intimidating. It can be Shocking. Is the world ready for the system of God - The One who created time itself and the dimensions in which we understand each other?

Let's rally behind a unified purpose! The religions of the world, especially the Sunni and Shi'ite sects, have attempted with all their might to hijack the foundation set by Abraham. They have attempted to destroy it, to hide it, to take our attention away from it, to mutilate it, to invalidate it, and to completely annihilate it. Are you going to stand for this? Do not let God's Prophets' and Messengers' work go in vain. The time has come now; years have passed without a solid frame of reference to restore God's system; and we are watching the world suffer the retributions. Turn on your television sets and watch. Our children are dying. They are turning to drugs and alcohol to solve their problems. Our mothers are killing their children, some due to fear of poverty, and some due to their own desire. Our fathers are abandoning their families. Our people are killing themselves in overwhelming numbers to escape the pains of this world. It has come to that. Terrorism is the doctrine that fuels our nations' leaders to attack each other. Youth are blowing themselves up because they have no hope, and promises of virgins and paradise ofcourse seem better to them than living in their hell-hole. All to escape the oppressive regime of an occupier that seeks to take their breath away. This cycle of violence is SATANIC.

It is pure animal. No, it is worse than animal. We grieve at the conditions of our people.

I plead with all of you stop this nonsense. Please do not ignore the horrifying screams of the baby girls who are being mutilitated and are swimming in their own blood JUST to serve a tradition that has plagued the world for too long. These are the works of Satan.

Stand up for the rights of the people. Only then can you stand up for yourself. Let us all come together to devise a way in order to stop every single one of these atrocities from happening to our neighbors and to ourselves. We have to come together. Being aware of these Satanic innovations will not stop anything. I will even go as far as saying that individually, it is much harder. Let us stand TOGETHER. How strong can God's army be against the army of Satan? Guys, girls, we need a shelter that can cultivate, support, and further the cause of God. Who is better than those who fight for the cause of God in one column? Let's actively pursue the Lord's promise of victory. We must all be parallel with the victory that God has promised us.

The time has come to build a physical sanctuary. For only in physical places can we all allow our ideas to flourish the MOST efficiently. We need to put our words, ideas, and system into action. Let's brainstorm and formulate a blueprint for a project that will bring us forth into the eyes of the communities, neighborhoods, and religions of this world. Please respond here and give your input. Any input! Let us rise up guys. It is definitely ripe timing. I am ready for some really hard work! I am willing to do ANYTHING. Are you willing to do anything? Strive to the cause of your Lord with everything you have guys. We will need all the energy possible. God's work will be done, in His Will Alone. Praise God, Full of Mercy Full of Grace! Praise God! Praise God! Praise God!

Zachariah Rabah
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Birmingham, Alabama