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  • Israel
    Z Zidane

    Greetings of peace and blessings,

    Just a view - As for now - I find it quite logical Jerusalem article http//www.free-minds.org/where-was-mohammed - Jerusalem - "holy"/original in being the place where Abraham pioneered in this line of prophets and scriptures/revelations and the place where a few prophets came to call for the "hajj" = announcement/delivery of the scripture/revelation to the people, etc.

    As for the "kingdom of israel" (Solomon's kingdom - not Jerusalem as he sends winds all the way to Jerusalem/holy_land, etc) article http//free-minds.org/kingdom-israel - I find the article very informative in many parts - like the theory about the progeny Abraham left = Lot's family - to do do his "salat"/bond/duty - that is to deliver the message of God Alone to his people/town. However, as for now, I wouldn't agree so much about the "sout saudi" location of it - Maybe it would rather be the city "Nablus" like someone said about the "Samaritan" view.

    Anyway, although how interesting this topic might be (many also find it very logical about the Jerusalem theory throughout the quran) we must remember that these history finding are not the true duty/bond/salat to us - One God and do good - as per various moral commands throughout the Quran - like be good to parents - speak truthfully - choose good responses - be fair and true, etc....

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  • God did not create the universe, says Hawking
    Z Zidane

    I got sent this link by my angsty atheist teen friend with just a "More proof that your God doesn't exist!" in the subject box. )

    May God guide her/him. AFAIK, God would guide those who sincerely search the truth rather than ego/arrogant defenders of some idea. bravo

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  • God did not create the universe, says Hawking
    Z Zidane

    Obviously not quite bright enough to figure that the Law of Physics is a creation of God and not of theoretical physicists.

    bravo

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  • From Malaysia: Still searching but here?s my story?
    Z Zidane

    Peace,

    Nice to see more God Alone people in countries near me (I am from the Tom Yam Gung country and I like Mee Goreng).

    bravo

    Glory to God. We are nothing without Thee - O Lord Creator of the Heavens and the Earth and all that's in it and all beyond it - Glory to Thee O Lord. Limitless Is Thy Glory. Thank YOU - O Lord - Thank YOU. IT IS YOU ALONE WHO CREATE - YOU ALONE WE GLORIFY - GLORY BE TO GOD ALONE.

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  • God did not create the universe, says Hawking
    Z Zidane

    "Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," Hawking writes.

    That parapgraph makes no sense to me, even self-contradicting "Because there is a law such as gravity" ...... "the universe can and will create itself from nothing" - BUT "NOTHING" MEANS "THERE IS NOT".

    Emptiness can't create anything.

    If there were ever a time when there was nothing,
    There would still be nothing.
    "Nothing" cannot produce "something".
    (quote from http//www.jovialatheist.com/thomslaw.html)

    Peace.

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  • Quran alone interpreted according to whom?
    Z Zidane

    peace Zidane, all,

    I find the following analogy very helpful
    http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598901.0

    Say "Indeed, I do not possess for you harm nor right-guidance."

    Peace bro Wakas,

    Great analogy in that link and thanks for the verse too. Maybe that's why God didn't preserve the hadith books.

    Peace,
    Zidane

    Quranic Divinity

  • Quran alone interpreted according to whom?
    Z Zidane

    Greetings of peace and blessings,

    People are commanded, throughout the Qur'aan, to FOLLOW Allah and Messenger. Is it possible?

    Please be patient and sincere in your research - in the past I was understanding like you too.

    It is possible.

    Obey God and Obey the Messenger

    (http//www.scribd.com/doc/17476247/How-to-Obey-God-and-the-Messenger-according-to-Quran)

    After I verified that there is a God, and then I verified that this Quran is from God. Then, here's a summary of what I currently understand from the Quran about this issue

    • ?The Prophet? and ?Messenger? are two different words - not the same meaning. The Messenger is the state that the prophet is speaking God's message - perfectly - so God said Obey the Messenger. Now, see 661 - why does God use the word prophet there? Because that's what the prophet did, not the Messenger.

    Now, the prophet is not here with us but the huge amount of contradicting "narrations" are ,

    456 These are the revelations of God, We recite them to you with the truth. So, in which narrative after God and His revelations do they believe?

    Even if he was with us - we had to use reason to understand, verify and choose to follow him if what he says goes with reason/logic and the natural laws of God we see in Nature - not because people call him a prophet or Muhammad - we need to be sincere/truthful to ourselves and God - far from just blindly following whatever's written in a book with its title "hadith". Even for a book with its title "Quran" - we still have to use logic to verify/understand a/our current interpretation/understanding of sets of verses logically with reason to be sincere. It's like when you study math, science - you don't just blindly believe it because the title of the book - you have to verify/understand then choose to accept logically.

    1736 And do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing, eyesight, and mind, all these you are responsible for. - that is - be sincere in what you choose to do - not because we're inclined to it some way or got them from ancestors.

    • Obeying God and obeying the Messenger is the same thing . We can only know what God says from the Messenger and the Messenger can only speak what God says (, ). - God preserved His message . Now, what does He say about "hadith"? See 7750, 7185, 316, 456, 3923, 5234, 6844 - see the arabic word "Hadith" in these verses. - The duty of the Messenger is ONLY to clearly deliver the Message , ,
      , , . How to obey him? Obey what he ONLY does (only
      delivers the Message). He warns with the Quran whomever it reaches (it reached us also) .
      He reminds with the Quran to those who revere God?s promise .

    • Therefore, the duty of explaining the Quran is NOT for the Messenger, it's for God. Some people might come to say "but the prophet said..." this and that - Can you sincerely verify that he said it? This one said that one said... So it's true? I want to worship God, not a man. I respect good men, but not worship/obey them. Who do you want to Worship? God?

    • Then you should obey Him.

    How to Obey God?

    • Obey what he tells you.

    How does he tell you?

    • Through his Messenger.

    Therefore, 480Whoever obeys the messenger has obeyed God; and whoever turns away, We have not
    sent you as a guardian over them.

    Therefore, "Obey God and obey the Messenger" = Obey God through his Messenger's Message.
    NOT "Obey God and obey the hadith books about prophet Muhammad".

    By the way, there's so much you can find in the hadith books, everything you might want, probably the
    book referred here
    (See 6114, also.)

    6836What is wrong with you, how do you judge?

    6837 Or do you have another book which you study?

    6838 In it, you can find what you wish?

    The Quran is complete/fully detailed. But for some (many), it doesn't have what they like to see in it, so they go and see the Hadith books, they'll find just about anything they want - even though contradicting - they choose what they wish.

    May God guide & forgive.

    May God Guide

    Quranic Divinity

  • new article - Quranic terms defined
    Z Zidane

    Peace Bro Zidane,

    Here are my notes

    171 Glory be to the One who took His servant by night from al maSJD al haram / the sanctified/restricted implemented SJD to al maSJD al aqsa / the farthest/remote implemented SJD which We have blessed its surroundings that We may show him of Our signs. Indeed, He is the Listener, the Seer.
    172 And We gave Moses the Scripture and We made it a guidance for the Children of Israel "Choose no guardian besides Me."

    If understood traditionally as a journey to Al Masjid Al Aqsa in Jerusalem by prophet Muhammad, it should be noted that it was not built at the time, thus has been explained away as referring to the area/site. Similarly, it is also debatable whether the traditional Al Masjid Al Haram was built at this time, or if it was it was in a rudimentary stage. However, it is clear from the verse itself the reason for this journey is to be shown some of God's signs/ayatin, implying receiving of revelation. It just so happens that the next verse, connected with "wa", discusses giving Moses the scripture. Further, it could be said "the farthest implemented SJD" would most likely be in the presence of God, and this domain is blessed, therfore seems to allude to the process involved in receiving revelation. It is also in the singular throughout.
    It could thus be interpreted as the journey of one's heart/mind/consciousness (possibly at night in one's dream or night vigil) from their present instituting of the acknowledgment or actioning of God's decrees (recall that this can be one's focus/qibla) to the farthest representation of this, i.e. in the presence of God resulting in realisation/receipt of divine guidance.

    Also see 1790-93 showing Muhammad cannot literally ascend into the heavens.

    Interestingly, the traditional story does bear some similarities to the Quranic version, i.e. receiving of divine revelation/guidance, being in the "presence" of God/angels, Moses is present.

    NB angels~controllers, forces in control of certain functions/laws.

    Peace and Thanks Bro Wakas - very interesting - this looks promising to make clear many verses - I'll try to study them again accordingly.

    Peace and Blessings,
    Zidane

    Questions/Comments on the Quran

  • new article - Quranic terms defined
    Z Zidane

    Dear Wakas, Ayman,

    Great article and explanation summarizing the terms - I hope it becomes a page summarizing them on WikiPedia or some other God Alone wiki one day.

    Thanks again for your contribution in this area - especially your Salat = Bond articles - yes, "Bond" solve the equations of "Salat" context very well.

    1821 And like that We made known about them that they might know that God's promise is true and that the Hour there is no doubt in it. When they disputed amongst themselves about their issue, so said "Build over/upon them a building". Their Lord knows best about them. Those who prevailed on their issue said "Surely we will take* (to ourselves) over/upon them a maSJD."
    *verb form 8, reflexive.

    Interestingly, almost all translators seemingly neglect certain aspects of this verse
    Firstly, they imply a physical building was built (worse still, a Mosque) over them (i.e. their graves), as some sort of shrine in their memory, which is completely against the message of The Quran (i.e. no saint/human reverence).
    Secondly, it clearly states there is a dispute and some said "build a building over/upon them" yet it later says those who prevailed said "Surely we will take (to ourselves) a maSJD over/upon them" clearly implying there must be a significant difference between each side's argument. If traditionally understood, the only difference is one argues for a building, the other argues for a Mosque.
    Thirdly, the former expression uses "build a building..." and the latter uses "take (to ourselves) a maSJD...", as if they were both about building why not use the same word? Not to mention "take to ourselves (a building)" doesn't quite make sense.
    Lastly, it implies the ones who prevailed had it right, so we must ask ourselves what is the message of this verse? Well, clearly for the people in question God gave them a sign in this story. After this lesson, they disputed, some said "build a building over them" and in-between the other side's argument it says 'Their Lord knows best about them' (also mentioned in subsequent verses), implying their number or who they were is not the point, thus no need for a building, and it is the outcome/lesson of the story that is important, hence it says those who prevailed said "Surely, we will take (to ourselves) an implemented acknowledgement/submission over/upon them". It should be noted that Asad makes a reasonable interpretation of the term "over/upon them" as "in their memory", thus those who prevailed got the point and took to themselves an implemented acknowledgement/submission in their memory, i.e. they took a lesson from God in their memory.
    Also, in 1822 it says "do not dispute about them except with an argument obvious/apparent", and since The Quran does not clarify their number which seems to be the main dispute, the primary obvious/apparent argument is the lesson of their story, and this is what people should be reminded of. As a minor point, it can also be said that building a Mosque upon them may only serve to revere them and the lesson less so. If so little is known, perhaps a building was not built.
    As a side note it is alleged Al Masjid Al Haram in Mecca encloses the grave sites of Ishmael and Hagar.

    Excellent - thanks so much. I and my fellow God alone thinker also pondered on this a few times in the past - realizing that it should not mean a building since it is already proposed to "build a building over them" - this maSJD seems to solve it well too.

    By the way, brother Wakas,Ayman please help summarize your own interpretations of maSJD al aqsa and about its "journey" from the maSJD al haram again in related verses - or add it to the list.

    Peace,
    Zidane

    Questions/Comments on the Quran

  • The Guided Israelite
    Z Zidane

    http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkG3bVYfdmo

    See his comment with hugoramus which is me btw. D

    I couldn't agree more.

    Thanks! Amazing, very interesting. I was wondering long ago about such people like this - seeking God alone - coming from different backgrounds. Read about kariate long ago - it's essentially the same as Quran Alone. Ponder deeper and we see God Alone.

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  • I'm a new, self-professed "Believer"
    Z Zidane

    welcome LiberalBelief!

    Amazing story! I've been trying to talk to God many many times too - although I don't "hear" his reply (yet), but I "understand" His communication through the happiness, wisdom and understandings of things.

    But I probably won't be a serious practicing Muslim anyway. I will do whatever is possible, avoid whatever is possible. But I will pray. I will praise God. And I will do it MY way. God is everywhere. I don't think it's right that I have to turn to some direction to talk to God. I will pray to Him in the language I understand (certainly not Arabic) because God is certainly not language-challenged. I will pray in whatever gesture I want. Nothing rituals. And I will still live by any good teachings of any other religion, any person (like the Prayer of St. Francis or even that of Buddha). I probably won't go on the pilgrimage. God is HERE, why go elsewhere?

    In the end, I may not turn out to be a Muslim, but rather a believer of goodness.

    A believer who believes in GOD ALONE.

    Very wise statement.

    Yes, God is not limited by his laws of time and "dimension"/space - so He's everywhere.

    I'm sure you'll see many many interpretations of many many issues here from many "truth seekers" and yourself - about Salaat, Zakat, pilgrimage, rituals, "where was muhammad", etc.

    Consider what solves the equation - going well with His natural laws and brings wisdom.

    Don't worry about the common understanding of "practicing" is rather just rituals and culture - instead of practicing the core of Giving Thanks and Praise to God alone and do Good through maintain the covenant and do good to the society (aqemus-salat wa atuz-zakat).

    The real "practice" is maintaining/holding your various Salat/Bond with God of being a good person - that is, follow His commands and glorifying GOD ALONE and do not transgress - for example always speak the truth, be fair in trade and judgement, be patient, be sincere, do not speak gossip, use good words/language, avoid intoxicants, be faithful in wedlock, do not do adultery, help the poor/needy/wayfarer, do good for your society, etc.

    This is related to the "Salat" issue you can see throughout the forum, you can read http//www.free-minds.org/salat_anon and see the Salat = Bond/Covenant/Contract interpretation. (Let's not discuss that here and get this thread off-topic)

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  • Qiblah and Qabbalah
    Z Zidane

    Very interesting, makes amazing sense for that verse. What about 1087?

    (I used to understand qibla meaning gathering/assembly point/place. Try it with 1087 also...
    http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=15074.msg154768#msg15476

    Peace

    Pilgrimage (Hajj)

  • Is The Focal Point = The Law of God ?
    Z Zidane

    Just like to share a little theory...

    In my understanding, qibla or Focal Point means gathering point/place. Try it with 1087 also...
    http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=15074.msg154768#msg154768

    Peace.

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  • The masjid of the jews
    Z Zidane

    You might want to read this
    http//free-minds.org/moh

    Peace.

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  • Not truly idolfree until you believe in alef-tav.
    Z Zidane

    Abrahamic faith is one. But we must remove the 3 s's by the s. That is, sionism, son, and sunnah.

    AMAZING QUOTE. WELL SAID.

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  • I?m a stand up guy. I looked up, saw the bus was going the wrong way so I...
    Z Zidane

    Yes, QXP is a great translation. Really brings a lot of moral values from a metaphorical point in many metaphorical verses that link to the context so well - many times it makes much more sense that other normal translations. Keep in mind that QXP is a rendition.

    If an interpretation fits well to all context in the Quran, it's like the correct answer for multiple equations in math.

    Peace.

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  • I?m a stand up guy. I looked up, saw the bus was going the wrong way so I...
    Z Zidane

    welcome

    Get up, stand up! Stand up for your rights....

    Now you see the light - (God Alone) - stand up for your rights!

    Peace,
    Zidane

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  • A REPLY TO ANDYA PRIMANDA
    Z Zidane

    Greetings people,

    Just like to share that

    • Please get it clear that evolution doesn't mean "no God" in ideas link jonny_k is saying (especially the Ken Miller video) is something like "Theistic Evolution" - things don't happen themself - all things happen under the laws/power of the One who set the Laws of the universe.

    • Just want to remind that it's probably of no real benefit to actually know how we were made - it doesn't make you a better person. So don't waste too much time/effort in it. Better to focus on how to do more good and less bad. It is these unclear and unbeneficial topics like this that cause lots of waste of time but no real moral benefit.

    Peace,
    Zidane.

    What is the nature of God?

  • Punishment in hereafter for not performing salaat
    Z Zidane

    Peace.

    If salat means the ritual sets then, according to this logic proposed by the starting post, wouldn't this contradict with 262 ? Or would you say they do 2,4,4,3,4 everyday too?

    For me, such punishment is if you violate your salat/bond to the moral laws (that is, doing evil), for example like violating the laws in 1722 - 39 and many other verses across the Quran. There are also many other specific bonds to specific peple - like delivering the message is the bond/salat of the messenger, etc - that are not to us, so make sure you see which verse is talking to whom to get a more clear understanding of salat/bond to God.

    Peace.

    Salat & Zakat

  • Oral Debate between Ayman and Edip...
    Z Zidane

    Greetings of peace,

    • The code shows us that there are patterns throughout the quran - and that is fact. For example http//19.org/index.php?id=14,31,0,0,1,0

    (I myself, don't fully agree with "discoveries" that use alphabet sequence/numbering system, since this could be changed/chosen by people who do the test to make the end result divisible. However, there are many other purely scripture related patterns discovered that are not related to this, as some are shown in Edip's article in the link above.)

    The counting of 19 is deemed by 7431 as ONLY a "fitna", in other words an attractive temptation to people who are attracted to it (you know who they are).

    • The seeing of the pattern benefits as "and those who have faith would be increased in faith, and so that those who have been given the Scripture and the believers do not have doubt" (7431)

    • If it was "fitna", it can't logically increase your faith nor remove your doubt.

    • It "increases" faith in the sense that any normal reading/writing by humans would not have such patterns.

    How about those facts the number of letters in the great reading is not a multiple of 19 and the number of words in the great reading too is not a multiple of 19. In fact, I guarantee that for every 1 of the so called facts that you advertize there are 18 facts that are not multiples of 19. All you are doing is using mindless trial and error and touting successful trials while hiding failed trials. You know that what I am saying is true. If you disagree then please be honest and share your failed trials so that we can see the ratio.

    • The ratio of trail and errors until finding of each 19 related fact doesn't show that the pattern is false in the same way that the ratio of Thomas Edison's trial and error doesn't show that Tungsten doesn't work - it worked perfectly and was a great discovery. It is still fact that there are patterns, same as the light bulb still emits light.

    There are many more theories on logic and how the brain works that don't have 19 of anything. Again, if you look in any random sample, the frequency of 19 divisibles is going to be 1 out of 19. It is not my problem that you are obsessed with the 1 and therefore never see or mention the other 18.

    • This is not related to the pattern in the scripture.

    The ignorant majority in fact believes in numerology codes when they see it like mosquitos attracted to a bug zapper. Many Sunnis believe in Code 19 like many Christians and Jews believe in the Bible Code and both believe in the significance and relevance of such codes as signs and in sensationalized TV documentaries that cater to the ignorants. This is why you will never find a decent academic journal publishing such crap.

    Again, the significance is "and those who have faith would be increased in faith, and so that those who have been given the Scripture and the believers do not have doubt" (7431).

    The code is not to make people beleive blindly in whatever was translated (as what people suggest in such ducumentaries), and you can't see the truth when believing blindly.

    The code just makes more confidence that the text is preserved in some way. And, makes you have more confident that there are ways to infer a lot of truth/understanding from it - if God so wills.

    Indeed, the god doesn't say that he counted everything in multiples of 19 as you imagine. In fact, I am certain that the way the god counts things is not even the same as the way humans count. I am sure that he doesn't need to use a base-10 system or a cumbersome Abjad system like that of Code 19.

    God also didn't say that using tungsten would work for the bulb, but it is fact - under God's laws - that it works.

    Humans can learn and seek the facts/patterns in God's laws - this is demonstrated in science, For example in Physics Newton's discovery "F=ma" shows how God's system works related to force, mass and acceleration.

    In the same way, it is not said and not true that EVERYTHING is multiple of 19. It is multiple of 19 in relation to some topics, same as F=ma for certain topics only. Same as the bulb worked with certain metals only.

    1. How are Matres Lectionis used in the great reading?
    2. Why are the Arabic letters which don't have an equivalent in the Hebrew alphabet relegated to the end of the Abjad system?
    3. Conventional letter orders, which have to be memorized, are typical of school-taught literacy. The order is transmitted systematically and universally in formal teaching. This is what makes them useable as a numbering system in Greek and Hebrew. How was this possible in the case of the Arabian dialects which were not taught in school prior to the revelation of the great reading?

    (I myself, don't fully agree with "discoveries" that use alphabet sequence/numbering system, since this could be changed/chosen by people who do the test to make the end result divisible. There are many other patterns discovered that are not related to this, as shown in Edip's article in the link above.)

    I see clear patterns in the many other purely scripture-based facts.

    Peace,
    Zidane.

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