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peace be upon you, and welcome to the forum.
why do you consider yourself as "lost"?
peace, rifat
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Thank you, I find my self lost because I don't have my personal belief completed. As of right now I can be considered a Heretical Christian.
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the three major monothiestic religions are crap (just like every other organized religion). and one of them isn't even monothiestic. You aren't going to base your beliefs on their dogma, are you?
Allahuabha!
Now now, there are many beautiful thngs in their traditions that society has prospered in. The beautiful virtues of the Bible and the stories of the Tanakh are very precious and are indeed God's words!
But at the same time, there is really only One Religion, and that is the Religion of God. Although I am a Baha'i and an adherer to the Baha'i Faith, even the label of Baha'i will falter as we approach God's Holy Throne with Eir Divine Judgement over us.
BTW, Welcome, Lost Philosopher! I'm sure you'll find yourself at home here as I have. I'm still a newbie and am still exploring through whilst gathering the little gemstones of the Noble Qur'an into my life. But nevertheless, God's Truth never changes... only people add their interpretations and their ritualism into it and add words to God's Word.
Allah-u-Abha! (God is the Most Glorious)
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the three major monothiestic religions are crap (just like every other organized religion). and one of them isn't even monothiestic. You aren't going to base your beliefs on their dogma, are you?
I do not follow the Catholic dogma, which is one reason I fell myself a heretic. I dont belive Christ was divine, just the sinless mortal that sacraficed himself so that people could finally hear one of god's words. Its also a belief of mine that no religion has all the information to be the one true faith. Another is that there is no Final message from god, i belive that god is a very talketive person and would not give his creation one message and just stop till the end of days. His message will change and evolve based on the problems and situation of the time. So in a way, all the monotheist religions are true. They just dont have everything neccesary to be the one true faith.
I wish to study the Qur'an, Bible, and Torah to hopefully unite the three in the name of peace and tolerance. I dont think god would want his people to slaughter each other. group I was waiting for a reason to use this smilie. D
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I wish to study the Qur'an, Bible, and Torah to hopefully unite the three in the name of peace and tolerance. I dont think god would want his people to slaughter each other. group I was waiting for a reason to use this smilie. D
Dont tell me you are going to proclaim prophethood one day ;D.
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Only if God commands me too.
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I do not follow the Catholic dogma, which is one reason I fell myself a heretic. I dont belive Christ was divine, just the sinless mortal that sacraficed himself so that people could finally hear one of god's words. Its also a belief of mine that no religion has all the information to be the one true faith. Another is that there is no Final message from god, i belive that god is a very talketive person and would not give his creation one message and just stop till the end of days. His message will change and evolve based on the problems and situation of the time. So in a way, all the monotheist religions are true. They just dont have everything neccesary to be the one true faith.
I wish to study the Qur'an, Bible, and Torah to hopefully unite the three in the name of peace and tolerance. I dont think god would want his people to slaughter each other. grouphug I was waiting for a reason to use this smilie.
peace Lost Philosopher,
I don't think Jesus was sinless or that he sacrificed himself. And hopefully you know that the Bible is actually talking about Sun (or son?) worship.
I don't think unifying the three books makes much sense. The three are talking about very different things.
The quran uses old, familiar parables to spell out a much different message. It has nothing to do with the Torah or the Bible.
The truth, I believe, is found through observation and reasoning. Reading books can only get us so far, the rest is up to us. There is no book in the world which contains things that we cannot find out without it. You are right that God is a very talkative "person," we just have to find God's voice. -
peace Lost Philosopher,
I don't think Jesus was sinless or that he sacrificed himself. And hopefully you know that the Bible is actually talking about Sun (or son?) worship.I wonder where you came to that conclusion. Dosent the Qur'an say that christians and jews are fellow worshipers of the same god? Sure, in a way it is pagan, but that diffirence shouldn't be enough to say that they're totally off the point to where they're not worshiping god?
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oh they're worshipping god alright. but not the quran's god.
I don't think the quran says that the christians and jews worship the same god.
What I have found is that the difference is big enough. The bible is totally off. Or the Quran's totally off, if you are a sun worshipper. -
I do not follow the Catholic dogma, which is one reason I fell myself a heretic. I dont belive Christ was divine, just the sinless mortal that sacraficed himself so that people could finally hear one of god's words. Its also a belief of mine that no religion has all the information to be the one true faith. Another is that there is no Final message from god, i belive that god is a very talketive person and would not give his creation one message and just stop till the end of days. His message will change and evolve based on the problems and situation of the time. So in a way, all the monotheist religions are true. They just dont have everything neccesary to be the one true faith.
I wish to study the Qur'an, Bible, and Torah to hopefully unite the three in the name of peace and tolerance. I dont think god would want his people to slaughter each other. group I was waiting for a reason to use this smilie. D
Lost Philosopher, Allah-u-Abha! (God is the Most Glorious!)
I believe that all religions were from one God, yet people with their superstitions added their literal interpretations of the Holy Scriptures rather than the metaphorical (Avesta, Tanakh, Bhagavad Gita, Dhammapada, Bible, Qur'an), and you have addressed what we believe as Baha'is too, which is always wonderful!
We believe that God will always send more Messengers in every period of time when irreligion is rampant, such as Abraham, Moses, Zoroaster, Krishna, Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad, the Bab, and now the Messenger for this time, Baha'u'llah. It just seems a little strange that God would just let Eir* religion die into corruption. The Laws of God are always and should be relevant for this day and age.
I hope your study of the Qur'an will be fruitful! Ever since I became a Baha'i, I wanted to escape from the war of verse-slinging that I was used to when I was part of the Christian religion. So I have thus read the Tanakh, Bible and Qur'an, but devotionally, to help my spirituality and feed my soul with spiritual fruits. )
One day, people will realise that there is only One Religion and remove these barriers, and as the Bible says, there will be a new Jerusalem! Everyone will worship God and be united as One Humanity!
But the Qur'an has so many beautiful gems, and there are already some of my many favourite verses within too! I hope that with discriminating eyes, you will see the Truth of the Qur'an and the beauty of God's system for daily life. D
God is the Most Glorious,
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Welcome, Lost Philosopher,
Peace Phoenix,
And hopefully you know that the Bible is actually talking about Sun (or son?) worship.
I have seen this idea of a probable confusion son/sun other times, in other posts from other members, but that similarity happens in a specific language, English.
It is very different in other languages, like in Spanish where sun/son = sol/hijo, so I don't think it has nothing to do and it can't be presented as a cause of and old confusion that made people worship the son of God when it was originally worship the sun.
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Peace Lost
i agree with Kevyn as always lol so spiritual and peaceful indeed!
and excellent point, Elena
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Peace Lost Philosopher,
I wonder where you came to that conclusion. Dosent the Qur'an say that christians and jews are fellow worshipers of the same god? Sure, in a way it is pagan, but that diffirence shouldn't be enough to say that they're totally off the point to where they're not worshiping god?
The word Christian (Arabic Masihi) never occurs in the great reading ("quran". The great reading condemns as rejecters trinitarians and monophisites (572-73). The great reading mentions the Jews and the Nasara. The Nasara are not rejecters but they have setup a partner with the god by claiming that Jesus is the human son of the god (930).
Peace,
Ayman
