9:208 "They shall witness Morocco win The world cup, many disbelieved."
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Mathematical geniuses are well known throughout history. I want to let the readers before reaching any conclusion regarding this post that i am not trying to mislead any person's believes and/or change their opinions. i am uncertain as anyone in front of themselves and God i keep questioning. If you make stupid decisions and hold me accountable for your own actions, i am going to laugh at you. In this life or the next anyway.
Okay 19 might be some kind of common denominator or a factor for verses. It can be just a number put down by God with absolutely no purpose to test us about our believes/actions as much as it can have alot of meaning that the Qur'anic teachings lost throughout the 1400 years of its foundation on earth. It can be anything and nobody knows for sure. Altho personally, I think it's a nice thing that all the verses somehow connect with each other behind a root number. Its a nice design in general.
Few questions i came up with.
Can it be that the Qur'an was created by the help of a mathematic genius(es)?
How do you know for SURE that It's Allah's words WITHOUT QUOTING THE QUR'AN or any other religious belives and teachings. Did a miracle happened to you while sleeping or walking down the street? Did God himself come to you and said hey Mr, Believe in me or i shall smite your face!? Did he perform a miracle in front of your eyes?
The verses 9128 & 9129 contradicts the phenomenon of the "miracle" number 19. If we let those two verses among the rest of the Qur'an and say that it's the complete form will there occure any other "miracle" number?
Allah, in the Qur'an claims to be the First and the Last (573) and the first simple natural discovered numbers were 1..2..3..4..5..6..7..8..9. Is it also a coincidence that 19 is composed by the numbers 1 and 9? In other words, Does he reffer himself as 1 and 9 or does he want to make some sort of signs? how about 0?. Zero is also a number and it comes before 1...
Let's say that the Qur'an you find in your favorite mosques, libraries, and the one your father gave you to read is partially God's words since now there is doubt about the Qur'an true verses. I assume Muhammad at least knew how to read and write sooner or later in his life. I can easily assume that since he is the messenger of a good cause, he should at least record the words of God revealed to him...right?. What happened to Muhammad's own written Qur'an? Why did some scholars had to reassemble and gather the Qur'an verses 200 years after his death?
Ladies and Gentlmen, millions of people were massacred during the WW1 and WW2 for less than a decade each war...MILLIONS. Look at the middle east, there is no single day you don't hear about families forced out to move, tortured bodies killed massively execution style...etc! I wonder what could've happened to the Qur'an for a 200 years period. How about 1400 years? Oh geez i shouldn't say that because the Arabs are God loving people. They fear God so well that they kept his words intact.
I was born in 1987, a millenium and some change after the revelations of God spread around. Where are the God loving happy Arabs? God alone... Sunnies..Shiats... this sect is the true thing, oh wait hold up the other sect came up with "better explanations" WOOOOOOOO.....they are truely the believers woooooo...
Verse 10001 says "God came to where Moha(me) resides, then We showed him all the things We have created through our miracles and revelations. Moha danced and prayed to his lord, the most Forgiving. The next day Moha woke up to find his dream realized BMW 5series with unlimited gaz and virgines...O we gave him virgines also, many many virgines. ". I made this verse up as i went too far with it i have to admit. It is only a joke for a purpose so don't eat what i just fed you. I want you to prove me wrong. Debate that it isn't God's words or that it is God's words for sure. The point is that no one can know for sure if that is a fact or a lie. No one knows how we were really created and what happened 1400 years ago. I don't remember God in my mother's womb telling me "Hey slave, i made you so when you travel out you are going to make decisions. You are supposed to obey me but btw there is heaven waiting for you if you do as told. I shall also smite your face if you do not obey." So people, -sigh- how do you guys sleep at night? I doubt the Qur'an now.. I do not want to be a foul and believe everything i am told. 2 verses today thousands tomorrow? What if there are really over a thousand verses that people "mistakenly deleted"? huh huh..Well, it doesnt let me doubt that there is a creator of course because things in life are perfectly structured and such and there must be a puspose behind it. People are just crazy and stupid. We believe so quickly and we lie alot. '
I don't know whats the direction of these questions. These are partial thoughts of my everyday commute trying to find a purpose. Sometimes i just play soduku on the newspaper i say screw it all i want to relax today.
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Peace "weimar",
We know tht its GOD's Word with high prob because theres a pattern of consitency of this scripture Quran and parts of the previous ones which all claim theres only one GOD and then the most logical explanation of GOD i.e. the Light of the heavens and the earth thus all the quantum particles combined, eachquantum particle shwoing some intelligecne of its own and not some paranormal being as many like to believe. Moreover even if the Quran didnt come from GOD we at least know it is from a very very high intelligence since theirs such kinna of scientific forknowledge in it whch one cldve never known back 1400 yrs ago. Such an intelligecen if it tells us tht GOD created us we shld then beleive it anyways, otherwise wed be foolish. Furthermore it doesnt make sense tht GOD would confuse us by allowing a higher intzelliegnce than us creating a scripture in His name. Thts like the ignorant creationist arguemnt tht vestigial organs were planted in our bodies and tht of various animals by 1)satan or 2) by GOD in order to test our faith BOTH of which are total nonsense. GOD Bless! -
Hello jonny_k peace
High probability as you described is doubt. Probability regards every possible way while its not perfect accuracy. I am convinced 100% that there must one creation source for the whole universe(a.k.a. God whatever you wish to call it) but my problem is with religion and human beings. The Qur'an today perhaps not fully falsified throughout history of its existance is still beautifuly written and have values to teach everyone. We have to consider that human beings can be hardcore against you when you question their believes. Keep asking a hardcore believer about God and the chances are, well... he is going to kill you before you reach answers to your doubts. I have been called by names while just asking alot but i don't care what they think of me. If God wants to perserve the religion it means to me that he will make anyone unable to corrupt it.
"John was a very very bad boy. John went to steal the first Qur'an and play with its words. John got his feet eaten by sharks then died by sun cancer before he reach Muhammad's tent. God protected the religion by killing John" Do you agree that God preserved the religion by instantly killing John? well i do. Now here is an other scenario of bad boy John "John was a very very bad boy. John went to steal the first Qur'an and play with its words. John successfuly sneaked in Muhammad's tent and replaced it with his corrupted version of the Qur'an. God let that happen because God has the power to do so." To me both stories can be true. Nobody can say that God won't allow such thing since God has all the powers. All the powers = good/bad in however way you view bad and good. Just dont tell me that God isnt capable of doing bad to people because you exclude the "bad" powers from All of the powers therefor making God just capable of doing good only. If thats the case then there must be no wars today. Don't you think?
Basically some stupid thingw happened after the Qur'an was sent to the people. Noone can know for sure today which is the true Qur'an since no one saw the Prophet himself and witnessed the whole Qur'an being recited or written down. People for political or profit reasons will do stupidity to convice you to follow them... you get my point now?
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Peace "weinmar",
Hello jonny_k peace
High probability as you described is doubt. Probability regards every possible way while its not perfect accuracy. I am convinced 100% that there must one creation source for the whole universe(a.k.a. God whatever you wish to call it) but my problem is with religion and human beings.
JK- And may i ask how you are 100% convinced? Everything in life is based on probability. This includes the possibility of making just a single step or movement and staying alive. The unverse could just collapse any infinisemal second due to unkown factors so we have to work with prob. The pobability of GOD's existence i admit can be relatively tending to 100% but not exactly 100% just like in maths weve tending to infinity or to zero but if you put those very values in the equation it wont ake sense or in math language be "undefined". So your whole life is based upon probablity and the actions which you take depend on it. In a DNA test for eg prob of 99.9996% is enough to say tht the tested father and child are related.
The Qur'an today perhaps not fully falsified throughout history of its existance is still beautifuly written and have values to teach everyone. We have to consider that human beings can be hardcore against you when you question their believes. Keep asking a hardcore believer about God and the chances are, well... he is going to kill you before you reach answers to your doubts. I have been called by names while just asking alot but i don't care what they think of me. If God wants to perserve the religion it means to me that he will make anyone unable to corrupt it.
JK- It is mentioned in the Quran tht GOD preserved the remnider by which i understand His mathemtzically coded scriptures and not the interpretation which a certain mostly biased religionist zealots make of it.
"John was a very very bad boy. John went to steal the first Qur'an and play with its words. John got his feet eaten by sharks then died by sun cancer before he reach Muhammad's tent. God protected the religion by killing John" Do you agree that God preserved the religion by instantly killing John? well i do. Now here is an other scenario of bad boy John "John was a very very bad boy. John went to steal the first Qur'an and play with its words. John successfuly sneaked in Muhammad's tent and replaced it with his corrupted version of the Qur'an. God let that happen because God has the power to do so." To me both stories can be true. Nobody can say that God won't allow such thing since God has all the powers. All the powers = good/bad in however way you view bad and good. Just dont tell me that God isnt capable of doing bad to people because you exclude the "bad" powers from All of the powers therefor making God just capable of doing good only. If thats the case then there must be no wars today. Don't you think?
JK- Its true tht GOD can do everything but this is a difficult dilemma. In the Quran it says tht though ultimately GOD is doing everything the bad reaches us because of our own doings.
Basically some stupid things happened after the Qur'an was sent to the people. Noone can know for sure today which is the true Qur'an since no one saw the Prophet himself and witnessed the whole Qur'an being recited or written down. People for political or profit reasons will do stupidity to convice you to follow them... you get my point now?
JK- I get it and thts why GOD integrated a mathematical coded pattern into His scriptures which if we work with and discover more and more will reveal the true parts of His scriptures. GOD Bless!
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peace
No one will ever witness Morocco win the World Cup.
The Code 19 doesn't mean anything.
And Everything comes from God. If we do good, we get good. If we do bad, that's what we get in return. God will give us what we deserve.
God's words are not in a book, they are in this universe. God's words, his signs, are everywhere around you. We judge everything by these signs.
A book can be written by anyone. But there is only one creator of this universe. -
The questions can lead only too far. I gave up. Its better just to find peace in the self and focus on God. I think i really don't care if people mess up with the Qur'an as long as i do not let myself being controlled by them. Salat is link to God. Just make a dua in the end and say please God take this from me to you and make our bound stronger. thats it...
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peace
But without questions, you wouldn't know what God is. Do you? What salat is and what its purpose is. It's wrong to say that we should stop questioning. Einstien said "the important thing is to never stop questioning." You can't give up and just stick with what you've got. -
Hi there phoenix1,
I think whatever one believes in is between the self and God. People shouldn't mess around and be in the middle of other's business. Pray to God however you want. Don't try force people to follow what you think is right since they can't guide better than God. Basically that was my problem and i wanted to free up. I let myself being influenced by others, well just because i am learning about Islam. Some tried to brainwash me with hadiths but i didn't give them full attention of course. People try to be like Muhammad, but i see myself being myself only. Thank God i see salat differently when i just focus on God. If i miss it during the day i wouldn't be too hard on myself. i keep the dua' and there should more chances to do it. God willing
I am no longer Sunni ( cuz i inherit the title). I let my common sense guide me, and of course God too.
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Peace Wienmar, I know that what you believe is between you and god, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with asking questions and seeking answers from other people. We should listen to all views and follow the best. So reading other's opinions and teachings isn't a bad thing. But as Alpha97 said on another thread, from a message, we must take the good and get rid of the bad.
I have learned a lot from the members here. Really. That doesn't mean that I will do everything they tell me, or believe everything they say, but I can verify what they say and follow only that which is true. -
Peace "phoenix",
peace
No one will ever witness Morocco win the World Cup.
The Code 19 doesn't mean anything.
And Everything comes from God. If we do good, we get good. If we do bad, that's what we get in return. God will give us what we deserve.
God's words are not in a book, they are in this universe. God's words, his signs, are everywhere around you. We judge everything by these signs.
A book can be written by anyone. But there is only one creator of this universe.JK- Please read my article
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13807.msg118327#msg118327
GOD Bless!