9:208 "They shall witness Morocco win The world cup, many disbelieved."
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Peace "weimar",
We know tht its GOD's Word with high prob because theres a pattern of consitency of this scripture Quran and parts of the previous ones which all claim theres only one GOD and then the most logical explanation of GOD i.e. the Light of the heavens and the earth thus all the quantum particles combined, eachquantum particle shwoing some intelligecne of its own and not some paranormal being as many like to believe. Moreover even if the Quran didnt come from GOD we at least know it is from a very very high intelligence since theirs such kinna of scientific forknowledge in it whch one cldve never known back 1400 yrs ago. Such an intelligecen if it tells us tht GOD created us we shld then beleive it anyways, otherwise wed be foolish. Furthermore it doesnt make sense tht GOD would confuse us by allowing a higher intzelliegnce than us creating a scripture in His name. Thts like the ignorant creationist arguemnt tht vestigial organs were planted in our bodies and tht of various animals by 1)satan or 2) by GOD in order to test our faith BOTH of which are total nonsense. GOD Bless! -
Hello jonny_k peace
High probability as you described is doubt. Probability regards every possible way while its not perfect accuracy. I am convinced 100% that there must one creation source for the whole universe(a.k.a. God whatever you wish to call it) but my problem is with religion and human beings. The Qur'an today perhaps not fully falsified throughout history of its existance is still beautifuly written and have values to teach everyone. We have to consider that human beings can be hardcore against you when you question their believes. Keep asking a hardcore believer about God and the chances are, well... he is going to kill you before you reach answers to your doubts. I have been called by names while just asking alot but i don't care what they think of me. If God wants to perserve the religion it means to me that he will make anyone unable to corrupt it.
"John was a very very bad boy. John went to steal the first Qur'an and play with its words. John got his feet eaten by sharks then died by sun cancer before he reach Muhammad's tent. God protected the religion by killing John" Do you agree that God preserved the religion by instantly killing John? well i do. Now here is an other scenario of bad boy John "John was a very very bad boy. John went to steal the first Qur'an and play with its words. John successfuly sneaked in Muhammad's tent and replaced it with his corrupted version of the Qur'an. God let that happen because God has the power to do so." To me both stories can be true. Nobody can say that God won't allow such thing since God has all the powers. All the powers = good/bad in however way you view bad and good. Just dont tell me that God isnt capable of doing bad to people because you exclude the "bad" powers from All of the powers therefor making God just capable of doing good only. If thats the case then there must be no wars today. Don't you think?
Basically some stupid thingw happened after the Qur'an was sent to the people. Noone can know for sure today which is the true Qur'an since no one saw the Prophet himself and witnessed the whole Qur'an being recited or written down. People for political or profit reasons will do stupidity to convice you to follow them... you get my point now?
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Peace "weinmar",
Hello jonny_k peace
High probability as you described is doubt. Probability regards every possible way while its not perfect accuracy. I am convinced 100% that there must one creation source for the whole universe(a.k.a. God whatever you wish to call it) but my problem is with religion and human beings.
JK- And may i ask how you are 100% convinced? Everything in life is based on probability. This includes the possibility of making just a single step or movement and staying alive. The unverse could just collapse any infinisemal second due to unkown factors so we have to work with prob. The pobability of GOD's existence i admit can be relatively tending to 100% but not exactly 100% just like in maths weve tending to infinity or to zero but if you put those very values in the equation it wont ake sense or in math language be "undefined". So your whole life is based upon probablity and the actions which you take depend on it. In a DNA test for eg prob of 99.9996% is enough to say tht the tested father and child are related.
The Qur'an today perhaps not fully falsified throughout history of its existance is still beautifuly written and have values to teach everyone. We have to consider that human beings can be hardcore against you when you question their believes. Keep asking a hardcore believer about God and the chances are, well... he is going to kill you before you reach answers to your doubts. I have been called by names while just asking alot but i don't care what they think of me. If God wants to perserve the religion it means to me that he will make anyone unable to corrupt it.
JK- It is mentioned in the Quran tht GOD preserved the remnider by which i understand His mathemtzically coded scriptures and not the interpretation which a certain mostly biased religionist zealots make of it.
"John was a very very bad boy. John went to steal the first Qur'an and play with its words. John got his feet eaten by sharks then died by sun cancer before he reach Muhammad's tent. God protected the religion by killing John" Do you agree that God preserved the religion by instantly killing John? well i do. Now here is an other scenario of bad boy John "John was a very very bad boy. John went to steal the first Qur'an and play with its words. John successfuly sneaked in Muhammad's tent and replaced it with his corrupted version of the Qur'an. God let that happen because God has the power to do so." To me both stories can be true. Nobody can say that God won't allow such thing since God has all the powers. All the powers = good/bad in however way you view bad and good. Just dont tell me that God isnt capable of doing bad to people because you exclude the "bad" powers from All of the powers therefor making God just capable of doing good only. If thats the case then there must be no wars today. Don't you think?
JK- Its true tht GOD can do everything but this is a difficult dilemma. In the Quran it says tht though ultimately GOD is doing everything the bad reaches us because of our own doings.
Basically some stupid things happened after the Qur'an was sent to the people. Noone can know for sure today which is the true Qur'an since no one saw the Prophet himself and witnessed the whole Qur'an being recited or written down. People for political or profit reasons will do stupidity to convice you to follow them... you get my point now?
JK- I get it and thts why GOD integrated a mathematical coded pattern into His scriptures which if we work with and discover more and more will reveal the true parts of His scriptures. GOD Bless!
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peace
No one will ever witness Morocco win the World Cup.
The Code 19 doesn't mean anything.
And Everything comes from God. If we do good, we get good. If we do bad, that's what we get in return. God will give us what we deserve.
God's words are not in a book, they are in this universe. God's words, his signs, are everywhere around you. We judge everything by these signs.
A book can be written by anyone. But there is only one creator of this universe. -
The questions can lead only too far. I gave up. Its better just to find peace in the self and focus on God. I think i really don't care if people mess up with the Qur'an as long as i do not let myself being controlled by them. Salat is link to God. Just make a dua in the end and say please God take this from me to you and make our bound stronger. thats it...
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peace
But without questions, you wouldn't know what God is. Do you? What salat is and what its purpose is. It's wrong to say that we should stop questioning. Einstien said "the important thing is to never stop questioning." You can't give up and just stick with what you've got. -
Hi there phoenix1,
I think whatever one believes in is between the self and God. People shouldn't mess around and be in the middle of other's business. Pray to God however you want. Don't try force people to follow what you think is right since they can't guide better than God. Basically that was my problem and i wanted to free up. I let myself being influenced by others, well just because i am learning about Islam. Some tried to brainwash me with hadiths but i didn't give them full attention of course. People try to be like Muhammad, but i see myself being myself only. Thank God i see salat differently when i just focus on God. If i miss it during the day i wouldn't be too hard on myself. i keep the dua' and there should more chances to do it. God willing
I am no longer Sunni ( cuz i inherit the title). I let my common sense guide me, and of course God too.
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Peace Wienmar, I know that what you believe is between you and god, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with asking questions and seeking answers from other people. We should listen to all views and follow the best. So reading other's opinions and teachings isn't a bad thing. But as Alpha97 said on another thread, from a message, we must take the good and get rid of the bad.
I have learned a lot from the members here. Really. That doesn't mean that I will do everything they tell me, or believe everything they say, but I can verify what they say and follow only that which is true. -
Peace "phoenix",
peace
No one will ever witness Morocco win the World Cup.
The Code 19 doesn't mean anything.
And Everything comes from God. If we do good, we get good. If we do bad, that's what we get in return. God will give us what we deserve.
God's words are not in a book, they are in this universe. God's words, his signs, are everywhere around you. We judge everything by these signs.
A book can be written by anyone. But there is only one creator of this universe.JK- Please read my article
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13807.msg118327#msg118327
GOD Bless!