25:59 AEONS or PERIODS????
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Salaam to all
I want to present this question to gather some research data. Read both translations and provide your reasons/explainations of which fits best in the translation "AEONS" or "PERIODS"
Qur?aan 2559
He who created the heavens and the earth and what is between them in six AEONS, then is established on the Seat of Absolute Authority. The Universally Merciful ? so ask about him from the informed.Translated by A. Nooruddeen Durkee
Qur?aan 2559
Who created the heavens and the earth and what is between them in six PERIODS, and He is established on the Throne of Power, the Beneficent. So ask respecting Him one aware.Translated by Maulana Muhammad Ali
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Salaam Al Khidr,
I want to present this question to gather some research data. Read both translations and provide your reasons/explainations of which fits best in the translation "AEONS" or "PERIODS"
Qur?aan 2559
He who created the heavens and the earth and what is between them in six AEONS, then is established on the Seat of Absolute Authority. The Universally Merciful ? so ask about him from the informed.Translated by A. Nooruddeen Durkee
Qur?aan 2559
Who created the heavens and the earth and what is between them in six PERIODS, and He is established on the Throne of Power, the Beneficent. So ask respecting Him one aware.Translated by Maulana Muhammad Ali
Both translations are wrong. The Qur'an says in this verse than Allah created these things in six "ayyaam"/days... Some people can interpret it to refer to periods or aeons, stages, or whatever; but it literally says "six days".
Peace,
Ahmad
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Salaam Al Khidr,
Both translations are wrong. The Qur'an says in this verse than Allah created these things in six "ayyaam"/days... Some people can interpret it to refer to periods or aeons, stages, or whatever; but it literally says "six days".
Peace,
Ahmad
Salaam Ahmad
Thanks for your input but when you say "days" do you mean days in the literal sense like how we perceive days on earth or are you saying the "days" here refer to long periods of time, stages, etc.?
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Salaams All,
once idolfree said you need the sun for days- so did the sun exist before the six day period started?
I doubt if it has anything to do with six days Here is what i think;
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13103.msg108387#msg108387
But it doesn't realy matter a whole lot- as its your and my deeds that will count.
God Bless All.
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Salaam Al Khidr,
Both translations are wrong. The Qur'an says in this verse than Allah created these things in six "ayyaam"/days... Some people can interpret it to refer to periods or aeons, stages, or whatever; but it literally says "six days".
Peace,
Ahmad
Ahmad, Again, speak what you know NOT what you think....What is your problem?
He Who created the heavens and the earth and all that is between, in six PERIODS, and is firmly established on the Throne (of Authority). Allah Most Gracious. ask you, then, about Him of any acquainted (with such things).
Allathee khalaqa alssamawati waalarda wama baynahuma fee sittati ayyamin thumma istawa AAala alAAarshi alrrahmanu faisal bihi khabeeran
Ayymin, PLURAL PERIOD(S) OF ERAS, AGE?S, TIME Hans Wehr Arabic English Dictionary 4th Edition page 1300 Tanwin-Kesra makes it indefinite(nakeeratun) length of each period can be indefinite (any number of years, eras, ages or time)
These are the SIX PERIODS as confirmed by Geologic and Cosmological Science....
Four Geologic Periods = Cenozoic, Mesozoic, Paleozoic, Precambrian
Cenozoic This era began 66 million years ago and includes the geological present.
Mesozoic This era began 251 million years ago and lasted about 186 million years.
Paleozoic This era began 542 million years ago and lasted about 291 million years.Precambrian The Precambrian's lower limit is not defined, but ended about 542 million years ago. The Precambrian encompasses about 90% of Earth's history.
Two Cosmology Periods = Big Bang, Matter, Galaxy and Star formation
The Two Cosmology Periods are 10,000 and 300,000 years, respectively.Ahmad, 6 days?
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Peace MTR,
Ahmad, Again, speak what you know NOT what you think....What is your problem?
"BLAH BLAH BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH..."
Ahmad, 6 days?
Brother, you sound like a fool. Are you really trying to question my knowledge based on something you've read in an Arabic dictionary? And you're comparing this with the wisdom of the Qur'an? -\ Let's examine the uses of the word "ayyaam" in the scriptures...
2184 - "ayyaaman ma dudaat"/counted days (or "few days"
2196 - fasting three "ayyaam"/days for the pilgrimageThere are plenty of examples like this... But what about this?
3418 - move in them "layaaliya wa ayyaaman"/nights and days
You think this says 'nights and PERIODS'? C'mon, guy. Please stop speaking on things in which you have no knowledge. It doesn't make you sound smart; rather, it makes you sound ignorant and foolish. The Arabic word "ayyaam"/days is the plural form of "yawm"/day. And based on the other scriptural identifiers, this is referring to literal 24-hour days... The only exceptions to this rule are clearly identified in the Qur'an. For example
All matters are controlled by Him from the heaven to the earth. To Him, the day is equivalent to one thousand of your years. (325)
The "malaykaat"/controllers/angels, with their reports, climb to Him in a day that equals fifty thousand years. (704)
Now, whether this period in 2559 is interpreted to refer to six literal 24-hour days or six thousand (or fifty-thousand) year periods, the literal translation of this is six "ayyaam"/days, not periods... I already told you to get rid of that faulty dictionary you keep in your pocket. It's sending you off...
Peace,
Ahmad
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Ahmad, Again, speak what you know NOT what you think....What is your problem?
He Who created the heavens and the earth and all that is between, in six PERIODS, and is firmly established on the Throne (of Authority). Allah Most Gracious. ask you, then, about Him of any acquainted (with such things).
Allathee khalaqa alssamawati waalarda wama baynahuma fee sittati ayyamin thumma istawa AAala alAAarshi alrrahmanu faisal bihi khabeeran
Ayymin, PLURAL PERIOD(S) OF ERAS, AGE?S, TIME Hans Wehr Arabic English Dictionary 4th Edition page 1300 Tanwin-Kesra makes it indefinite(nakeeratun) length of each period can be indefinite (any number of years, eras, ages or time)
These are the SIX PERIODS as confirmed by Geologic and Cosmological Science....
Four Geologic Periods = Cenozoic, Mesozoic, Paleozoic, Precambrian
Cenozoic This era began 66 million years ago and includes the geological present.
Mesozoic This era began 251 million years ago and lasted about 186 million years.
Paleozoic This era began 542 million years ago and lasted about 291 million years.Precambrian The Precambrian's lower limit is not defined, but ended about 542 million years ago. The Precambrian encompasses about 90% of Earth's history.
Two Cosmology Periods = Big Bang, Matter, Galaxy and Star formation
The Two Cosmology Periods are 10,000 and 300,000 years, respectively.Ahmad, 6 days?
Salaam Muslimtruthrevealed
So in your opinion do you think its better to translate it as "PERIODS" or "AEONS"?
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Salaam Muslimtruthrevealed
So in your opinion do you think its better to translate it as "PERIODS" or "AEONS"?
aeon A period of 109 years (i.e. a billion years);
aeon - eon an immeasurably long period of time;
aeon - eon (Gnosticism) a divine power or nature emanating from the Supreme Being and playing various roles in the operation of the universeI like 'six periods', seems a bit more relevant (i.e 4 Geologic, 2 Cosmologic Periods)
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aeon A period of 109 years (i.e. a billion years);
aeon - eon an immeasurably long period of time;
aeon - eon (Gnosticism) a divine power or nature emanating from the Supreme Being and playing various roles in the operation of the universeI like 'six periods', seems a bit more relevant (i.e 4 Geologic, 2 Cosmologic Periods)
Perhaps the term "epoch" would be more reasonable?
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Salaam to all
I want to present this question to gather some research data. Read both translations and provide your reasons/explainations of which fits best in the translation "AEONS" or "PERIODS"
Quraan 2559
He who created the heavens and the earth and what is between them in six AEONS, then is established on the Seat of Absolute Authority. The Universally Merciful so ask about him from the informed.Translated by A. Nooruddeen Durkee
Quraan 2559
Who created the heavens and the earth and what is between them in six PERIODS, and He is established on the Throne of Power, the Beneficent. So ask respecting Him one aware.Translated by Maulana Muhammad Ali
Peace Al-khidr,
A Day for God is similar to 1000 years of our count. This could probably mean that God created the Heavens and the Earth in 6000 years. It seems that God work in cycles. Each cycle is 1000 years of our count. It is very weird that God told Moses to remind them about the Days of God. What the hell does that mean? Could it be that every 1000 years God judges the people? or send a messenger? or some other phenemenon.
Peace,
Rami
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Peace Al-khidr,
A Day for God is similar to 1000 years of our count. This could probably mean that God created the Heavens and the Earth in 6000 years. It seems that God work in cycles. Each cycle is 1000 years of our count. It is very weird that God told Moses to remind them about the Days of God. What the hell does that mean? Could it be that every 1000 years God judges the people? or send a messenger? or some other phenemenon.
Peace,
Rami
Your missing something there. To get heaven, it takes fifty thousand of the god's years. Quran 70.4
And if you take 354 (days in human year) x 50,000 years (from here to most likely outside the universe) you get the number of the god's days = 17.7 million days. And then you multiply by 1000 to get human years. Which gives the age of the universe at 17.7 billion.
As for six days, one can take that from the above which will give you 300 million years for the creation period of universe.
Or one could refer to relativity time if those time periods are not the same as the above method, where 1 universal miniute becomes 1 trillion earth miniutes. And take 6 universal days for 6 million million which divided by 354 days becomes 16.9 billion years.
So 6 days x 50,000 x 1000 = gives the number of years it took the universe to be made.
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Salaam Al Khidr,
Thanks for your input but when you say "days" do you mean days in the literal sense like how we perceive days on earth or are you saying the "days" here refer to long periods of time, stages, etc.?
Well, personally, I think it would be best to stick with six literal days. That's just my opinion, though... According the Qur'an, a day can be relayed as one 24-hour day, 1000 years, or even 50,000 years, showing that our concept of the day is limited compared to the timetable of Allah. The Qur'an is the best explainer of this. If we say "six aeons" or "six periods", we could be correct based on our understanding, but we could be completely wrong in the sense of how Allah bases the time period. For example, if Allah actually did construct these things in six literal, 24-hour days, then a translation saying "six aeons" would be completely wrong. However, if He constructed it in six '50-thousand-year' days, then a translation saying "DAYS" would still be correct, based on the scriptures implications...
I think six PERIODS would be a better translation overall, but if you wish to stay completely accurate, you should stick to the description of six DAYS... We also have to keep in mind that "life" wasn't established during this period. The Qur'an simply says the heavens and the earth were created, as well as the things between them (i.e. gravity, radiation?). So, since the Qur'an explicitly says that the heavens and the earth were originally one mass (in a gaseous state), and they were forcefully separated by Allah, this could support aspects of the alleged "Big Bang" concept. And depending on the power, radiation context, and gravitational pulls between the debris, it's possible that our universe, which includes the heavens and the earth, expanded at a very fast rate. After the hydrogen particles settled upon the radiated piece of debris (i.e. what is now the earth), it would've formed a gravitationally stable atmosphere completely full of water, which can be supported by the Qur'an
He is the One who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and His domain was completely covered with water... (117)
So, if the universe continued to expand at this rate, as it continues to expand, maybe it's possible that the outlining shapes and contents of the universe were formed in six literal, 24-hour days... Again, it doesn't say anything about "life" being formed on the earth or anything like this; it simply says the heavens and the earth, which were most likely lifeless objects at the time. That's just my personal perspective, and it could be right or wrong. None of us really know the underlying factors of how, when, and how long it took for the universe to be formed and shaped. As we know, the universes are not idle now; they are still expanding. So, obviously, Allah is not talking about forming all creation of the universes in six days, because they're still being formed. So, He was obviously speaking about a small part of what we know as creation, heavens, and the earth today...
Peace,
Ahmad
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Your missing something there. To get heaven, it takes fifty thousand of the god's years. Quran 70.4
And if you take 354 (days in human year) x 50,000 years (from here to most likely outside the universe) you get the number of the god's days = 17.7 million days. And then you multiply by 1000 to get human years. Which gives the age of the universe at 17.7 billion.
As for six days, one can take that from the above which will give you 300 million years for the creation period of universe.
Or one could refer to relativity time if those time periods are not the same as the above method, where 1 universal miniute becomes 1 trillion earth miniutes. And take 6 universal days for 6 million million which divided by 354 days becomes 16.9 billion years.
So 6 days x 50,000 x 1000 = gives the number of years it took the universe to be made.
This is very possible. Remember we are discussing a 'mutashabih'. There is no absolutes. Anyway, in the Quran there are different kind of days
Human day - 24 hour period.
Gods day - 1000 year period.
Ascension day - 50,000 years.
Last day - EternalOk, looking at these very carefully, we can notice that a day means a cycle. A human cycle is a 24 hour period. God is 1000 years. The angel and spirit ascension is 50,000 years. During creation, there was only God, so you get compelled to choose God's day.
Peace,
Rami
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Your missing something there. To get heaven, it takes fifty thousand of the god's years. Quran 70.4
And if you take 354 (days in human year) x 50,000 years (from here to most likely outside the universe) you get the number of the god's days = 17.7 million days. And then you multiply by 1000 to get human years. Which gives the age of the universe at 17.7 billion.
As for six days, one can take that from the above which will give you 300 million years for the creation period of universe.
Or one could refer to relativity time if those time periods are not the same as the above method, where 1 universal miniute becomes 1 trillion earth miniutes. And take 6 universal days for 6 million million which divided by 354 days becomes 16.9 billion years.
So 6 days x 50,000 x 1000 = gives the number of years it took the universe to be made.
Your math is off.....
These are the SIX PERIODS as confirmed by Geologic and Cosmological Science....
Four Geologic Periods = Cenozoic, Mesozoic, Paleozoic, Precambrian
Cenozoic This era began 66 million years ago and includes the geological present.
Mesozoic This era began 251 million years ago and lasted about 186 million years.
Paleozoic This era began 542 million years ago and lasted about 291 million years.Precambrian The Precambrian's lower limit is not defined, but ended about 542 million years ago. The Precambrian encompasses about 90% of Earth's history.
Two Cosmology Periods = Big Bang, Matter, Galaxy and Star formation
The Two Cosmology Periods are 10,000 and 300,000 years, respectively.Point One Using the 50,000 year 'Day' as a 'constant' variable poses a problem. It does not take into account when Earth and the Universe were completed and more importantly how long!
Point Two Its just an indication as to the length of time it takes for 'light' to ascend and descend NOT how long it took the universe to be completed.
Point Three 50,000 years of 'light' travel, doesn't even get us outside our galaxy! (actually, puts us right on the edge)
The Universe within 50000 Light YearsThe Milky Way Galaxy
http//www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/galaxy.html