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sorry i don't agree here.
you don't walk around naked and say screw it all to hell we're all sexy anyway
that sounds like a typical man talking ;D
whatever happened to being modest? topless men aren't modest in any place you or i are living in so let's not go there.
and sorry but what the ... was all of this about apes
no offense once again but apes have nothing to do with anything. apes and butts vs. women and breasts ... umm -\
last time i checked it is the female that chooses the more attractive male anyways in the ape world
speak for yourselves guys but my ancestor was no ape
as for women having big breasts, not all women have big breasts.
in the end we MUST dress modestly AND lower our gaze.
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exactly, but how is modestly? how much of our body is to be covered?
2431 ...and that they should not show-off their beauty except what is apparent...well what is apparent? and if it goes for women, it should apply to men as well.
i heard some men say that women should pray in the back at mosques otherwise men would be distracted and turned on. but wouldn't women also be distraced with men in front of them?
and i don't care what alen or esimsek100 say, women are turned on by a man's chest. i just don't understand why it's accepted (of all places in soudi arabia) that men can walk topless and women can't. why doesn't anyone say anything?
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Salam.
Well, men's chests are not private parts, right? Woman's chest is sexual, while men's aren't, true?
So to say based on your words, my manly breasts and chest hair is a public good to everyone? does it make your day to see some manly breasts while walking on the street or catching the bus? it certainly doesnt make mine brighter.
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726] O children of Adam, we have provided you with garments to cover your bodies, as well as for luxury. But the best garment is the garment of righteousness. These are some of GOD's signs, that they may take heed.
O children of Adam, you shall be clean and dress nicely when you go to the masjid. And eat and drink moderately; Surely, He does not love the gluttons.
When we are in Kaaba having in mind that we are infront of the almighty, Staring at one anothers chest or Butts with sexual purpose doesn't make any sense.
But the question raised why men are allowed to roam around topless if women don't?
I will try to answer that.
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Peace,
My opinion about this is that we shall all both male and females low down our gaze and that says also Quran.
And this can means that the first gaze is innocent but if you want to take a second gaze it can lead to lack of discipline and thefore the advice of low down your gaze for both of the gender.
This about covering womens breast is natural for me because we women always coming in trouble with our breasts, we compare it with other women and we can be jealous if someone have more beautiful breasts than we have ourself.
And I think that male should also cover their chests in public if they want to be modest and God like the modest one. But it seems like God knows that males are more weak in that regard of being disciplined when watching a female who revail too much of herself. Therefore He advice the women to cover themselves up more than the males for our own good of course.
This is anyway only recommendations and we dress how we like to dress. And it's our owns rights to behave in a way that we feel safe in public. And I think we all feels when it's time to dress more and when it's Ok to dress less.
Peace
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i heard some men say that women should pray in the back at mosques otherwise men would be distracted and turned on. but wouldn't women also be distraced with men in front of them?
If a man is so lost in God's prayer, as he should be, even a naked Jessica Alba wouldn't phase him. Same applies for women.
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So to say based on your words, my manly breasts and chest hair is a public good to everyone? does it make your day to see some manly breasts while walking on the street or catching the bus? it certainly doesnt make mine brighter.
Salam.
No, you misunderstood.
Your "manly breasts and chest hair" is not public and that's all. Whether it is good or not i don't know but that decision i will leave to the appropriate person.Man has no need to watch or look at other men's chest.
Man is usually attracted to observe woman's chest and therefore told to gaze down.Peace.
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If a man is so lost in God's prayer, as he should be, even a naked Jessica Alba wouldn't phase him. Same applies for women.
Salam.
Good point but what if to your left is Jessica Simpson, to the right Christina Aguilera, in front Beyonce and behind you is Pamela Anderson?
The Question how to avoid such people?
Answer just think of Paradise.
Paradise itself lowers the "value" of all Earth including the mislead humans.
Peace.
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They are all fugly.
Salam.
God has created all humans beautiful.
It is humans that make things ugly.
We have to be careful in the choice of our words.I didn't say are they beautiful or ugly, i said what if you're surrounded with such people? My answer is to just keep in mind that The Exalted GOD Almighty has much better reward for a human being then just temporarily soft and pretty skin of these women and their beauty lasts less then 20 years while a true believer can get a TRULY BEAUTIFUL WOMAN in Paradise just by obeying The Quran.
Peace.
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My dear Alen....
This
their beauty lasts less then 20 years
is a blatant contradiction of what you said just above
God has created all humans beautiful.
It is humans that make things ugly.
We have to be careful in the choice of our words....and it also is insulting to any woman above 20...
....and it is wrong.... '( (hey it's ok, don't apologize, i'll survive )
... and yes you should be careful in your choice of words...peace lk
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Salam.
My dear Alen....This Quote
their beauty lasts less then 20 years
is a blatant contradiction of what you said just above
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God has created all humans beautiful.
It is humans that make things ugly.
We have to be careful in the choice of our words.
...and it also is insulting to any woman above 20...
....and it is wrong.... (hey it's ok, don't apologize, i'll survive )
... and yes you should be careful in your choice of words...
peace lkFirsdt of all i apologize if i have insulted women, i'm sorry but apparently we misunderstood each other. When i said that a beauty lasts for 20 years i was merely speaking form a man's point of view. As we all know, certain men are only interested in women who are beautiful on the outside.
As soon as the woman reaches the age 40 or even 35, certain men lose interest, certain men seem to be only interested only in young women, little do they know thatbeauty as so many things don't last.Speaking from as a human, all humans are beautiful, men and women, The Exalted GOD Almighty has created us beautiful and we all remember that when someone is born, there are at least two people who will say that the baby is beautiful, namely - the parents. And others too of course.
But speaking as a man, i have noticed that my "friends" here are only interested in younger-then-them girls because it gives them some "power" to dominate and control them. Some men may even be intimidated by older women.
I'm not saying that women above 20 are not beautiful. Women are beautiful. Period. I'm sure that any man would be more then willing to spend 30 minutes talking to Susan Sarandon, Hilary Clinton or late Diane Spencer then three weeks with Britney Spears or Paris Hilton. Both of them are beautiful but their attitudes kill their beauty.
Peace.
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The reason I called them fugly.
Salam.
Let's not get offtopic
Even when men walk around bare chested, women want to see intelligence and not skin and hair. Correct?
I mean, i approach this subject from my point of view when i see a woman, i try to see the intlligence from her attitude, behavior, eyes and acts.If a person is not dressed .... the right way, it probably means that person needs or wants attention, correct?
Why do men pump iron? To show the muscles not to cover them.
Why do women wear make up? .... ---- .... ----P.S.Sisters, i'm sorry, if any of my posts have insulted you.
Peace. jedi
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Peace,
Can you substantiate this claim, since you are talking about God?
Anwar AzimSalam.
When i said that The GOD created all humans beautiful, that's what i meant. Human is born on the outside as well as on the inside.
We have such a weapon, called the brain and we can do such things with this little organ that sometimes people don't appreciate enough the brains alone.
We have legs we're clueless how the snake feels when it has to move across the burning sand on its belly or through the vast rainforests.
Human being has a face with our face we send messages, we look at people and they know what we are saying even though we don't open our mouth. Then we use the lips, tongue, cords and a mouth to spread the word.
Does anyone ask him/herself how we can understand each other? How is it possible that so many different languages came to existance? Who translated the language first? I mean, how did for example two people from two different countries understood each other.
A German came to Paris and how did he understand the French guy? How did translations of the languages start? Isn't that a miracle?Human subconsciousness.
Human memory.
Human psyche.
Human eyes. Human eyes talk without moving that much while the tongue can use thousand words and start a war.A human being can make a bomb and destroy a city.
Same human being can also build a city with his two hands. How can two little arms make a city? Isn't that a miracle itself'Human being, beautiful creation. We can be all we can be. We can choose. We can be good. We can be bad. We can kill and love, we are on the way to live a better life or the worst.
Peace.
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But this "beautiful" creature, at times, can be as ugly as he/she can be (inside or outside)! Exalting the human being won't do much good. I think what you meant was "wonderful". Yeah yeah, I know it's "all" relative (as in the eyes of the beholder), but then what's the point?
Anwar Azim
Salam.
When i said that The GOD created all humans beautiful, that's what i meant. Human is born on the outside as well as on the inside.
We have such a weapon, called the brain and we can do such things with this little organ that sometimes people don't appreciate enough the brains alone.
We have legs we're clueless how the snake feels when it has to move across the burning sand on its belly or through the vast rainforests.
Human being has a face with our face we send messages, we look at people and they know what we are saying even though we don't open our mouth. Then we use the lips, tongue, cords and a mouth to spread the word.
Does anyone ask him/herself how we can understand each other? How is it possible that so many different languages came to existance? Who translated the language first? I mean, how did for example two people from two different countries understood each other.
A German came to Paris and how did he understand the French guy? How did translations of the languages start? Isn't that a miracle?Human subconsciousness.
Human memory.
Human psyche.
Human eyes. Human eyes talk without moving that much while the tongue can use thousand words and start a war.A human being can make a bomb and destroy a city.
Same human being can also build a city with his two hands. How can two little arms make a city? Isn't that a miracle itself'Human being, beautiful creation. We can be all we can be. We can choose. We can be good. We can be bad. We can kill and love, we are on the way to live a better life or the worst.
Peace.