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It is brave for people to swim against the tide and to not be caught up with maintaining the status quo.~ Haroon
I believe what I believe in is the truth. However, everybody in this world believes that what he believes in is the truth. We believe that what others believe is not the truth and others believe that what we believe in is not the truth either. So, what I'm saying is simply that we should not take what we believe as truth for granted because we will only know whether the truth we believe in is the actual truth or not when we meet face to face on the judgement day with the Lord of the Heaven and the Earth. ~ Jankren
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Quote from Brother Warner,
We are not here to discuss whether I will do or not. We discuss what the Quraan says. See the above verse. You are like a PR agency trying to spin doct and make Islam attractive to people with your fancy manipulations, but Allah does not need that. He has set the laws, man has to obey them. Bending the Quraan to make it more attractive to people is not one of my objectives.
i guess , this is true for a few on this forum.
siki
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People think miracles are needed so God can show His Power, seems creating the Universe is not enough, He needs to show He can break the Laws He created Himself! How irrational the human-being is.....
The Universe is enough proof for God's Power and Wisdom. It's only problem is that it goes against the popular belief and approach.
~ Bro Arnold Yasin
peace
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Quote from Brother Warner,
We are not here to discuss whether I will do or not. We discuss what the Quraan says. See the above verse. You are like a PR agency trying to spin doct and make Islam attractive to people with your fancy manipulations, but Allah does not need that. He has set the laws, man has to obey them. Bending the Quraan to make it more attractive to people is not one of my objectives.
i guess , this is true for a few on this forum.
siki
such as...?
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No naming names, please.
I think that although we may have differences of opinion, accusing others of manipulating the Quran is wrong (except in the case of rashad khalifa). I don't think anyone on this forum purposefully changes the meaning of the quran for personal gain. I think it's just that our interpretations based on our personal world view are different.
"He has set the laws, man has to obey them," is what bro. Warner said. Well, I don't like it when people make these kinds of categorical statements because the whole argument is about what God's true message is, and what his laws are. If there was a clear cut, single answer, most of us would be following it. But there isn't. -
salaam,
I think that although we may have differences of opinion, accusing others of manipulating the Quran is wrong (except in the case of rashad khalifa).
And how do you know if Rashads intentions won?t sincere?
People say that about bro Aidid Safar too.
I don?t know anyone in the forum who are manipulating the meaning of the Quran, perhaps there are some cherry pickers, but there is nothing wrong with cherry picking, in fact it should be encouraged.
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The mentality that allows for symbols, words, images, to become important unto themself. thats how a kaaba bvecome important, how a cross become important on its own, a star become important. You think you freed youself of this thinking when you tossed hadith and became a 'free mind', but you didnt.
by noah the holierthanthou magi
Without wishing to enter the debate, this is a truth / a questioning which each of us will face (in the mirror) sooner or later - or at least (imo) it should be that way.
peace all, elke
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The problem is not one of tolerance in America. One can find places that will be tolerant. There will always be places full of the intolerant, that's how places are. The problem is our government is slowly stripping away what freedoms we had and leaving us only with an illusion of freedom. Which sadly shows that the freedoms we thought we had were only better illusions of those same freedoms.
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The reference point is the inner compass, which is always in harmony with God's guidance because it is, in itself, divine. Reading the qur'an, you find yourself saying, "yes...of course, that makes sense" because we have built-in barometers of how to live harmoniously in peace. The same goes for any other source that contains "truth". We already have it and can tap into it at any moment. And once we recognize it, then it is up to us to implement it if the brain and body are not already in accordance with it. Thus we establish harmony and balance, and ultimately, peace. ~ Tay
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Good stuff,
When I Asked God for Strength, He Gave Me Difficult Situations to Face
When I Asked God for Brain & Brawn, He Gave Me Puzzles in Life to Solve
When I Asked God for Happiness, He Showed Me Some Unhappy People
When I Asked God for Wealth, He Showed Me How to Work Hard
When I Asked God for Favors, He Showed Me Opportunities to Work Hard
When I Asked God for Peace, He Showed Me How to Help Others -
Hey hey, for once that i've got the honor it's (only) my signature. But as long as it is bob sun
peace lkBob was indeed a Wise and Brilliant man too far ahead of his Time , same goes for 2Pac . Bob and 2Pac's Music and lyrics really Tickle the Grey Matter and Touches the Heart .
I enjoy listening to them whenever I need to think Deep , same goes for The Door's Music . You chose your signature wisely
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Let?s learn as we go along, how to have a dialogue. Every window colours the light according to its reference point of its own shade, but eventually all come from the same light. The LIGHT SOURCE HIMSELF has created these spectrum of point of views FOR A REASON!!. So let there be talks. In a dialogue i look at your light and you look at mine. GAME of REFUTE will soon become ego-driven. So let,s create a sphere to talk according to THE MESSAGE. ~ alpha97