The Stages of Creation & Evolution in the Quran
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The six stages of the Creation in the Quran
Arnold Yasin Mol?20062920 Say, ?Travel in the earth and find out how He originated creation. And how afterward, Allah brings forth entirely new forms. Verily, Allah is the Designer of all things.?
A small introduction.
103 But, your Lord (Who sent this Book) is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in SIX STAGES, and is established on the Throne of His Almightiness in Supreme Control. He, the Director of all directions, Issuer of all decrees, runs the Universe according to His Laws. No intercessor can stand in His Court but as a witness of Law (2255, 16111)). Such is Allah, your Sustainer. You shall serve Him. Won?t you use your intellect and reasoning?
117 He created the heavens and the earth in SIX STAGES and established Himself on the throne of His Almightiness. He has Supreme Control over the origination of life which began in water (2130). Life is a test for yourselves to see which of you leads a balanced life and is best in conduct. Yet, if you (O Prophet), say, ?You will be raised again after death,? the rejecters of the Truth will surely answer, ?This is clearly nothing but a fabulous delusion!? (4524).
324 Allah it is Who has created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in SIX STAGES, and is established on the Throne of His Almightiness of Supreme Control (754). You have no patron and no intercessor beside Him. Will you not, then, bear this in mind?
574 He it is Who has created the heavens and the earth in SIX STAGES, and is established on the Throne of His Almightiness of Supreme Control. (754,103, 132, 205, 2559, 324, 574). He knows all that enters the earth and all that comes forth from it, and all that descends from the sky, and all that ascends therein. And He is with you wherever you may be. And Allah is Seer of what you do.
This talks about from the moment of the creation of matter, and the organizing of the matter into clusters and eventualy into stars and planets and so on from the big-bang to now. The evolution of the universe took 6 different stages, and the earth and other planets and stars were developed in 2 stages. Life was developed in 4 stages. So together, it took 6 stages to result in evolved life. These stages don't refer to time stages, but to different levels of evolution of the universe and its life in it, each needing its own step with its own timespan. The biggest mistake people make is looking at the stages as if they occur with each taking the exact same time. So let's see what the Quran tells us more.
- Say "Do you refuse to believe in Him who created the earth in TWO SPANS of time, and set up compeers to Him, the Lord of all the worlds?
419 Say, "What! Do you indeed deny Him Who has created the earth in TWO STAGES? (Firstly when it shot away like a fiery ball from the Cosmic matter and secondly, when it cooled off sufficiently to become habitable). And would you still ascribe rivals unto Him? He it is, the Sustainer of the Worlds." (3640, 7930).
As you can see, the Quran explains here, that the earth is part of the heavens, the stars and all other formations in the universe. So this refers to all formations in the universe of stars and planet-bodies took 2 stages. Remember these stages don't refer to every stage taking the same amount of time, but refer to different stages, parts of development. So let's see to which stages the Quran refers too
THE TWO STAGES OF CREATING THE PLANETS AND STARS.
STAGE 1 THE BIG-BANG
2130 Are the unbelievers not aware (after this proclamation) that the heavens and the earth used to be ONE SOLID MASS/FATAQ that We exploded into parting? And that out of water We made every living thing? Will they not, then, acknowledge the Truth?
Cosmologist Martin Rees in his book "Our cosmic habit"
"Our universe may once have been squeezed to a single point, but everyone whether on earth, or Andromeda, or even on the galaxies remotests from us can equally claim to have started from that point.."(page 55)Astrophysicist Paul Davies in his book "The mind of God"
"....the basis of the well-known big-bang theory, according to which the entire universe came into existence abruptly, about fifteen billion years ago, in a gigantic explosion."(page 47)"The universe evidently began, in some sense,"wound up", and is still currently unwinding.If one imagines "running the cosmic movie backward", then the galaxies get closer and closer together until they merge.(pages 47-
Look at the words he choose"wound up", and see what words God used for"solid mass/bound together". It coincides perfectly.
Also really important note is the use of the word "fataq" which means to break, dissolve, seperate, split. And the opposite word "rataq" meaning to merging, attaching of elements to make them one. These are the perfect definitions for the big-bang, as the opposite of the word ?fataq?.
?rataq? defines exactly the situation from before the big-bang, as the word ?fataq? defines exactly the situation of the big-bang itself.
Just as the Big Bang in reality is an unwinding of the Universe, in the same way it will role up again. Or as explained by Edward Hardy in his "Origin and Evolution of Universe"
?In some tens of times 10to the 9th years, the recession of the neighboring galactic systems will cease, and the process will start to reverse.?21104 On that Day We shall roll up the Sky as a written scroll is rolled up. Then, just as We initiated the first Creation, We shall create a new Universe. This is a Promise incumbent upon Us. Truly We shall fulfill it.
Then the expansion began, Paul Davies again
"They found that the universe is, in fact, EXPANDING, with the galaxies rushing away from each other."(page 47)5147 And it is We Who have built the Universe, and behold, We are steadily STEADILY EXPANDING IT.
STAGE 2 EVOLVING FROM LOOSE ENERGY AND MATTER INTO CLUSTERS OF PLANETS AND STARS
4111 Likewise, He it is Who designed well the Sky when it was SMOKE/DUKHAAN (Nebulae of gas). And He said to it and the earth, "Come both of you willingly or unwillingly." They said, "We do come, obedient." (?Thumm? = Afterward, then, so, likewise, similarly, in the like manner. The Cosmic bodies coming into their orbits willingly or unwillingly indicates their having been made subservient to the Divine Laws, without free will 382, 1315).
Astrophysicists Neil deGrasse Tyson and Donald Goldsmith in their book "Origins"
"Astrophysicists now have good evidence that stars form, not one by one but by the thousands and tens of thousands, within giant CLOUDS OF GAS AND DUST that may eventually give birth to about a million individual stars."(page 185-6)Now look at the term used here in the Quran, the word "dukhaan" which means literaly "smoke". Smoke is made up out of GAS AND DUST, so there could not have been a better word for it to be used. As in the quote above it is clearly mentioned the stars and planets where formed out of GAS AND DUST .
After these 2 stages that took billions of years(estimated around 10 billion years) our earth was formed, then after the forming of the young earth the last 4 stages occured that formed life.
7930 And after that He made the earth shoot out from the Cosmic Nebula and made it spread out egg-shaped. (?Dahaha? entails all the meanings
rendered 2130, 4111).4110 And He it is Who placed therein firm mountains towering above it, and bestowed enduring Bliss upon it. And He measured therein its sustenance in Four Seasons, alike for all who (invariably) need it. (3967, 5663-73).
2130 Are the unbelievers not aware (after this proclamation) that the heavens and the earth used to be one solid mass that We exploded into parting? And that out of water We made every living thing? Will they not, then, acknowledge the Truth?
2050 He replied, "Our Lord is He who creates and shapes everything, assigns its role and guides it aright."
THE FOUR STAGES OF LIFE.
These are the last four stages, which together with the first two stages of the creation. Give together the six that are mentioned in the verses 103, 117, 574 and 324. Allah is called our Rabb, which means Who fosters, nourishes, brings up and regulate the things from the crudest state to that of the highest perfection, is such a matter to make it attain one condition after an other until it reaches its goal of completion.
He is also called Al-Bari, the Evolver and Al-Masuwwir, the Bestower of Forms/Fashioner in 5924.
The concept of Evolution was first described by the Greeks, but it was further developed by the early Muslims. Great Muslim scholars and scientists as Al-Kindi, Ibn-Rushd, Ibn Tufayl, Ibn-Arabi, Ibn-Khaldun al described and promoted the concept of Evolution. Before the 1800's, Evolution Theory was known in Europe as the 'Muhammedan Creation Theory' and was decribed in almost all Muslim Medicine and Science Books. It was also part of normal education in the Muslim schools and Universities.
Ibn Khaldun wrote in his Muqaddimah, an Introduction to History
"One should then look at the world of Creation. It started out from the minerals and progressed, in an ingenious, gradual manner to plants and animals. The last stage of minerals is connected with the first stage of plants, such as herbs and seedles plants. The last stage of plants such as palms and vine sis connected with the first stage of animals, such as snails and shellfish which have only the power to touch. The word 'connection' with regard to these created things means that the last stage of each group is fully prepared to become the first stage of the next group. The animal world then widens, its species become numerous, and, in a gradual process of creation, it finally leads to man, who is able to think and reflect. The higher stage of man is reached from the world of monkeys, in which both sagacity and perception are found, but which has not reached the stage of actual reflection and thinking. At this point we come to the first stage of man ( after the world of monkeys). This is as far as our (physical) observation extends.
This is just one example out of hundreds of opinions and observations made by Muslim scholars in the early centuries of Islam. When Darwin made his own speculations based on the Muslim Theory of Evolution, it was taken up by the Materialist Movement of the West. Because the Theory of Evolution is not supported by the Bible, and also because Darwin's speculations gave room for a Creator-less creation, Darwin's version of the Theory was taken up by the Atheist. Through this Evolution Theory was seen as equal to Atheism, and Muslims, through loss of their knowledge and their aversion of the Materialist Colonial powers of the West that had conquered them, became to reject the Theory of Evolution. And took up together with the Christian world, the concept of Instant Creation. A concept that goes directly against the language of the Quran and its Message as will be shown.
The FIRST of these four, refer to the emergence and forming of the first larger amino-acids, which formed RNA and DNA. This started in water, and then from clay. The primal soup is were the first amino-acids were formed, and which afterwards developed further into RNA and DNA in the clay-layers surrounding the pools. These pools were a mixture of sulphurs, acids and salts, which were heated by the young earth's crust. These pools can still be found today around the earth, and also at the seabottom you have underwater volcano's which gave the perfect mixture of heat, carbon, sulphurs, acids, salts and water. Both places are adressed in the Quran.
Primal soup and underwater volcano's
2554 And He it is Who has created the human being from this very water, (2130, 2445) and then He has established relationships by lineage and by marriage, for, your Lord is the Designer of all things. (The best relationships are established on the basis of Ideology 3102, 4910-13).
2130 Are the unbelievers not aware (after this proclamation) that the heavens and the earth used to be one solid mass that We exploded into parting? And that out of water We made every living thing? Will they not, then, acknowledge the Truth?
2445 And Allah has created every living creature from water. (Life began in water 2130). Some of them crawl on their bellies, some walk on two legs, and some walk on four. Allah creates things with a Purpose and according to His Laws. He has Supreme control over all things and events and verily, Allah is the Appointer of due measure of all things.
Development of RNA and DNA in the Clay particles surrounding the heat pools
327 Who created everything in perfect balance. Thus He initiated the creation of man (kind) from hydrated inorganic matter.
328 Then He made him to be reproduced out of the essence of a humble fluid. (The inorganic matter was hydrated and from its extract life was initiated. Eventually, the evolution reached a point when procreation with male and female gametes was established 3711).1526 And, indeed, We created man from sounding clay, out of dark inorganic matter. (3711).
1528 Recall when your Sustainer said to the angels, "Behold, I am about to create a mortal man out of inorganic matter.? (230-35, 711-22, 1761, 1921, 20116-120).
1533 He replied, "I am not one to bow to man whom You have created from sounding clay out of inorganic matter."
327 Who created everything in perfect balance. Thus He initiated the creation of man (kind) from hydrated inorganic matter.
5514 He created/Khalaqa the human out of inorganic matter that sounded like an empty pot/Fakha'ar. (And it was empty of a trace of the finished form).
The word Fakha'ar means baked pottery or a baked vessel of clay. The word Khalaqa means To bring a thing into existence according to a certain measure, or proportion, so as to make it equal to another thing that is not pre-existing. Together it will make the verse like this
5514 He formed and proportioned the human through succisice stages as Clay is molded into shape and stages and baked into pottery.
2312 Now, indeed, We created the human being from the essence/Sulalah of clay. (225).
The word Sulalah means An extract of a thing, the clear, or pure, part or choice, or best, or most excellent part of a thing. One may conclude that man was created from an extract of clay. Does sulalah refer to silicone? Scientists belief that mineral Clay particles were the cataclysts, as well as stabilizer in the polymerization reaction of amino acids to RNA and DNA.
Here is an quotation of one of Holland's leading scholars, Professor dr. Stephen B.J.Menken, Chief Evolutionbiologist of Amsterdam University
"With the making of the first step to the primal soup which contains all basicelements for life to a living organism, we stumble upon a lot of problems. One of the problems is the UV-radiation of the sun. We are protected by our skin and the earth's ozonlayer from the worst radiation. The young earth didn't have a protecting ozonlayer, so the UV-radiation reached freely the atmosphere and the top waterlayers. A second problem is that the most simple organic substances can move in all directions in a watery substance. For life to emerge, it is necassery that the substances remain together, a third problem is the sensitivity of DNA and RNA, mainly the carbonic-sugars, which brake apart easy.
There must have happened two things will the substances of the primal soup evolve to something more complicating, to life. The substances must remain together and protected against harmfull influences from outside.
The second most important theory is that of the clayparticles. These particles are common on earth. They're layered, smaller then two micrometre and can bind all organic molecules and make them react with each other. On the surface of the clayparticles, can by example, RNA been build up from simple molecules. Next to that, enhance the clayparticles, the forming of fatty-acids, in which an enviroment can evolve which is seperated from the outside world. The walls of every cell, of plants, animals and fungies, are build up out of double layered fatty-acids. In a solution of fatty-acids together with clayparticles, bindings emerge of double layered fatty-acids. If on the surface of the inclosed clayparticles, molecules get 'stuck', this can be most important for the origins of life, then by this theory can we explain the build of the primitive cell."
7189 (The Message encompasses life in its totality.) Recall that Allah created life from a single life cell, then made male and female cells, and then shaped you into human beings, males and females..... .?
The SECOND STAGE is that of the first one-celled, the blue-algues that produced also large countities of oxigen. These one-celled made the first steps for complexer organisms, and evolved further into other one-celled, and later one formed complexer multi-celled clusters. In these clusters, each cell got its own function, as they were all seperate cells working together, without a central nerve-system. As the enviromental changes forced the clusters into becoming more complex and in need for a central control centre, which triggered the forming of cells with the function of guiding the other cells functions, a simple nerve-system.
The Algues were the first producers of Oxigen. Without these large amounts of algues, the Oxigen layer would not have formed, and further complexer life would not have been possible. Oxigen is only formed in plantlife, with exception of some Bacteria. Without the green plants, we would not have been here
3680 (The same Creator) Who produces for you fire out of the GREEN TREE, so that, behold, you kindle from it.
Green trees produce Oxigen that makes fire possible. It is open carbon fuel fire that pushed our development. When man was still in its prehistoric form, we ate raw meat and plants. To chew on this, large muscles were needed for our jaws and also large intestines were needed to process the raw food. When mankind started to use fire for cooking its food. The bodies of cells in the food were broken, and thus easier to process. Normally it took us hours of chewing to destroy the cell-bodies in the food. Now it only took minutes. This meant that the large muscles on our skulls were not needed anymore, and so more room was given for growth of our brain, that first was held up by the needed space for the large jaw-muscles.
Also our intestines could become shorter, and so our body could walk more erect. This simultaneous spur of growth and new possibilities for our brain and body, made us take large steps of development, that before took 100.000's of years, and which now were taken in steps of 40-20.000 years.
The green plantlife created the possibility for complex life by creating an Oxigen atmosphere, and it also created the way for ancient man to make the step from ape-man to modern humans. This is why fire is so important to mention as done in 3680.
The THIRD STAGE was the multiple-celled organisms that emerged from the multi-celled clusters that had simple nerve-systems. These evolved further into far complexer organisms with specific organs and highly complex nerve-systems. As the early reptiles(including dinosaurs), birds, insects, fishes and other sealife, amfibiants and mammals. After this third stage, it was ready for the fourth and last stage, that of the beings with highly evolved nerve-systems that have high conciousness's.
2445 And Allah has created every living creature from water. (Life began in water 2130). Some of them crawl on their bellies, some walk on two legs, and some walk on four. Allah creates things with a Purpose and according to His Laws. He has Supreme control over all things and events and verily, Allah is the Appointer of due measure of all things.
STAGE FOUR The emergence of humans. This process took millions of years. Where each stage succeeded one another. Till we, the homo sapiens are the last result. And also other higher mammals as whales and dolphins.
Stephen Jay Gould says in "Ever Since Darwin"
Evolution usually proceeds by "speciation"---the splitting of one lineage from a parental stock---not by slow transformation of these large parental stocks. Repeated episodes of speciation produce a bush.(Page 61)827 Who created you, then fashioned you, then proportioned you? (954).
828 Having shaped you and put you together well/Rakkaba in accordance with His Laws. (5924).The verb Rakkaba means "to create a thing from components; put or set one part of it upon another". Thus referring that we are the results of earlier processes.
8017 Man destroys himself, how ungrateful, rejecting the Sublime Truth!
8018 Out of what thing has He created him?
8019 From the male and the female gametes He created him, and then
fashioned him in DUE PROPORTION/FAQADDARAHU.Faqaddarah means
Fa= (Allah) determines
Qaddara=proportions/measure
Hu=of ( the newly formed human)This can be seen as a reference to the DNA, which contains the complete program of all the proportions of the human body.
711 We created you, then shaped you, then told the angels, "Be of service to Adam! And they agreed to be of service, all but Iblis (Satan). He was not of the subservient.
The word Adam comes from the Root Adama which literally means To reconcile, to be brown.
Adam means Human skin, Human being, Man, Person, Intelligent Person, Brown Man, Human Race, Mankind, Civiled Person, Person who is created from different substances, Person in possession of different powers, One who has heirs, One who enjoys the conforts of Life, One who is by nature social and hard.230 Your Lord announced His Plan to the angels (the Laws and Forces in the Universe), ?Behold, I am about to place on Earth A NEW CREATION/KHALIFAH that will have dominion over it.?
Adam means Intelligent Man, which is also the exact meaning of Homo Sapiens, the scientific term for Modern Man. In 230, the first humans are called Khalifah, which means One who comes after and stands in the place of someone who precedes him.
6133 Your Lord is Absolute, the Lord of Mercy. He could replace you with whomever He Will, like He RAISED YOU FROM THE GENERATIONS OF OTHER FOLK.
And who did we succeed? As explained earlier, we used to be different of body-structure because we ate raw food. After we started to cook our food, our body structere became more developed and our brain grew larger. This is directly explain in this verse
7628 (Who gave them the mind and body to behave the way they choose?)We it is Who have created them, and strengthened their frame. And if We Will, We can replace them entirely with other nations.
And that our brain grew larger because of the change, through this we developed a personality that could make use of a larger memory and insight
231 And Allah endowed humanity/Adam with the capacity to attain knowledge. Then He showed the angels certain things and said to them, ?Tell me if you have the capacity of learning about these, if you are truly better qualified to have supremacy in the planet Earth.
1529 And when I have perfected him in due proportion and breathed into him something of My Energy, bow before him.? (That something will be the gift of free will, the ability to make decisions 763).
We also know that the first humans developed in Africa between 2 million and 200.000 years ago. So our ancestors were black of skin, which is also the MAIN meaning of Adama, To be brown.
7114 Knowing that He has created you in successive stages.
7117 And Allah has caused you to grow as a growth from the earth/as a (geneological) tree.
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The earlier species were more animal-like, and a lot more aggressive towards other species because of instinct, but our Free Will has not made us less aggressive. This is expressed in 230 by the Malikah, the Forces of the Universe
230 .....They exclaimed, ?Will you place on it such creation as will cause disorder therein and shed blood! - Whereas we strive to establish Your Glory in the Universe and make manifest that You are Impeccable!? He answered, ?Behold, I know that which you know not.?
The Quran shows us perfectly our path from the smallest life cells to the first plantlife. Then to the ape-man to Modern Man who eventually spread from Africa towards the most outer borders of the Earth.
7172 Your Lord brought forth generations from the Children of Adam, and they have been the living testimony that He creates and provides them with sustenance. ?Am I not your Sustainer?? They practically admit, ?Yes, verily. We testify.? Thus you cannot say on the Resurrection Day, ?We were not aware of this.?
Through this spreading over the earth. The Children of Adam were exposed to different circumstances, and thus their bodies adapted to these circumstances. Eyes adapted, skin color, body hair, body length and so on.
3528 And of human beings, and other creatures, and the cattle have diverse colors. This is how it is of all His servants only the ULAMA get some idea of the Glory of Allah (by examining the wonders in Nature. ULAMA = men and women of scientific knowledge. They understand that) Allah is Almighty, the Absolver of imperfections.
3022 And of His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the diversity of your tongues and colors. Herein, behold, are Signs for those who make best use of what they learn.
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And we know today also that species are still in constant development
2920 Say, ?Travel in the earth and find out how He originated creation. And how afterward, Allah brings forth entirely new forms. Verily, Allah is the Designer of all things.?
4229 And among His Signs is the creative design of the Heavens and the Earth, and the living creatures which He has dispersed throughout them. And He is Able to gather them together when He will. (Herein is an allusion to the existence of life in other celestial bodies, and to man meeting with the 'aliens' some day 1649).
871 Strive to raise the Name of your Lord, the Most High.). 872 Who creates and proportions. (So that all things might become what they are meant to be). 873 And Who appoints due measure and then shows the way (to all things as to their functions and fullfillment).
BISMILLAHIR RAHMANIR RAHIM
With the Glorious Name of Allah, the Source of Instant and Eternal Beneficence and Mercy Who embraces the entire Universe in His fold, nourishing and taking care of all things for what they are meant to be, just as a mother's womb nourishes the embryo without any returns.I highly recommend to obtain the below mentioned books for further research and understanding.
sources
"Dictionary of the Holy Quran" by Abdul Mannan Omar
"Lane's Lexicon Arabic English Dictionary" by Lane
"Quran As It Explains Itself" by Shabbir Ahmed M.D.
"The Unifying Theory of Everything by Muhammed Asadi
"Wonders of the Quran" by Organisation Salaam
"Origins of Man" by Maurice Bucaille
"Creation and/or Evolution" by T.O. Shanavas
"Origins" by N.D.Tyson and D.Goldsmith
"The mind of God" by P.Davies
"Our cosmic habitat" by M.Rees
?Origin and Evolution of Universe? by Edward Hardy
"The Origin" by Niki Korteweg
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Just as the Big Bang in reality is an unwinding of the Universe, in the same way it will role up again.
um...no it won't. Astronomers recently discovered that there isn't enough matter in the universe for it to start contracting. It'll keep on expanding.
And...all humans are different shades of brown. Adama doesn't have to mean the black race.The thing is, Arnold, what you have said is based entirely on interpretation, and on current scientific knowledge and theory.
I wouldn't choose to interpret the quran in this manner. Because, 1. this scientific interpretation requires that you already believe the Quran to be a special book authored by God. That belief in divinity has to be there. Now, most people who read the quran, don't already believe that. 2. All this scientific stuff I don't really understand, let alone learn from. I don't know exactly how evolution or the big bang worked unless I study biology and physics in depth. And even if we do understand all of that, how does it help us? It doesn't. The quran's not like a dictionary or an encyclopia where it just gives out a bunch of facts. It's not an explaining of it's divinity either. It's a book of spiritual guidance. How do I get that from knowing that my ancestors were fish? -
Err... so you are saying that Adam and Eve are actually more like monkeys?
No, if you read carefully, the word doesn't appear in the Quran. The Quran talks about Adam and his spouse. And thus is a metaphor for Man and Woman in total. Adam were the first Homo Sapiens, Modern man and woman.
The earlier species of man-apes from which modern man originated from do not fall under the term Adam, Intelligent man.
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Peace Phoenix,
There are a lot more forces in the Universe then just matter, the Quantum Field also decides on this. The internet is a poor resource for science Phoenix.
Adam has several meanings, it refers metaphorical to Man and Woman in total, Adam and his spouse. Adam also means Ancestor or Black skinned person, and thus refers to Ancient man from Africa, and in Arabic it is also used for Mankind in total, and does not refer to any colour.
I interpretate the Quran based on current knowledge, and just as the scientifical theories and my theory is not binding to the Quran. And I wrote this article with the concept in mind that I believed in the Quran, it was not about proving the Quran being Divine. If my interpretation turns out wrong, then the Quran would not loose its status, only my interpretation does. Please seperate these two from another.
The Quran is a Guide to Reality, and helps you in creating a correct relationship and behaviour to Reality. This is why we are urged to research Nature . As for you do not understand the scientifcal stuff or learn has nothing to do with my article, the article doesn't head with 'specially for Phoenix', it is meant for all those who are interrested, nothing more.
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peace
wasn't adam created in heaven? and then had to exit it and come to earth.
Well, the term heaven in Adam story, I believe, is janna, not al-janna, and janna is used elsewhere in the Quran clearly to mean earthly garden.
so it is possible to infer that Adam lived in some kind of garden, forest area before being ordered/made to leave to a more desertic region.Mohamed~
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so it is possible to infer that Adam lived in some kind of garden, forest area before being ordered/made to leave to a more desertic region.
Evolutionarily speaking, Adam had to leave the trees and strike out on the ground, bipedal and moving across plains and fields and deserts.
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peace
well this is one example
20117 Then We said "O Adam! verily, this is an enemy to thee and thy wife so let him not get you both out of the Garden, so that thou art landed in misery.4370 Enter ye the Garden, ye and your wives, in (beauty and) rejoicing
in 20117 the garden mentioned here is the one which adam was in.
in 4370 the garden mentioned here is the one we'll go in after we die20117 Faqulna ya adamu inna hatha AAaduwwun laka walizawjika fala yukhrijannakuma mina aljannati fatashqa
4370 Odkhuloo aljannata antum waazwajukum tuhbaroona
they're both al-janna
unless there's a difference between aljannati and aljannata,
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they're both al-janna
unless there's a difference between aljannati and aljannata,
i'm not an arabic language expertYou are correct and I was wrong. I am writing without looking things up.
The argument is that "the janna" mentioned in Adam context is really an earthly one. It sounds and feels very much like other "janna"/gardens described elsewhere in Quran where the context clearly is about earthly things. It does not sound like "The Janna" of eternal reward.Again I am not looking things up... Let me know if you want me to.
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but the words is the same, at least in those two ayahs.
and if it still is like you say, then we would enter earthly garden after we die.
but i don't think earth will exist then anymore.Yes it is the same word but what is referred to is not. sometimes janna is referring to an earthly garden, sometime it refers to the eternal one. and one can tell which is being referred to from the context. For example in chapter 1832 and the next few verses, it is clear that the word janna is not referring to the next world's, eternal garden. Instead it is a talking about a janna, and even two of them.... gardens.
Other verses talk about janna as being the promised garden, and describe life in it as being eternal.
The two concepts have things in common... but they surely are not the same. There is food in both gardens, there is satisfaction to be found in both... etc. But one of them is vastly superior.
Adam's janna is described, it seems, in pretty modest way in 22117,118,119
22117 "You will have in it that you will not go hungry nor need clothes."
22118 "And you will have in it that you will not go thirsty nor suffer from heat."That could well describe some kind of tropical forest, with a lot of shade and with abundant food and fresh water. then Satan will case him to leave this paradisaic life to a more tougher one 20117, the next step in Man's evolution....
Mohamed~
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Salaam Aleikum,
I must say that you take the term Jannah very literally while the Quran clearly says it is metaphorically
4715 In allegorical terms the Paradise that the righteous are promised is this
Therein are rivers of ever fresh water, and rivers of ever fresh milk, and rivers
of delicious wine, and rivers of clear-run honey. Therein are all kinds of fruit (of
their good deeds), with a life secure from deterioration bestowed upon them
from their Lord. Are they like the ones who abide in the Fire and are given
drinks of burning despair that tears their insides? ('Maghfirah' here denotes
protection from deterioration)I have written a small article on the matter
http//19.org/index.php?id=91,420,0,0,1,0&PHPSESSID=4f1f5c565f3d0328884385983c6fec65
As far as I have understood Jannah stands for a state of Bliss and fulfillment. In this life we create this Bliss by creating the Deen, this is where we make sure there is no hunger anymore as given in the verses you mention, also running water as the rivers underneath mentioned. In the Next Life we inherit it forever and we will then have much more capabilities.
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so are you saying that adam and eve were in a garden on earth and in a state of bliss and then they disobayed God and were thrown out of the garden and were not in the state of bliss anymore?
and after we die, the believers who did good work will enter the garden on earth and be in a state of bliss?
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Salam Brother Yasin,
I am reading your article on 19.org...
11108 The happy ones on that Day will enter the Garden and live there as long as the New Universe endures, that is time beyond count; until your Lord opens for them the way to further evolution, a gift unfailing.
Where did you get "until your Lord opens for them the way to further evolution" from?
Mohamed~
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Assalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu
Hazrat Adam (alaihi salaam) and his wife were living in Paradise, until Satan deceived them, then they were expelled down to the Earth
Then did Satan make them slip from the (garden), and get them out of the state (of felicity) in which they had been. We said "get ye down, all (ye people), with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood - for a time." (236)
Also, humans did not evolve from any other species. It clearly says in the Holy Quran The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him "Be". And he was. (359)
Jazak Allah Khair.
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so are you saying that adam and eve were in a garden on earth and in a state of bliss and then they disobayed God and were thrown out of the garden and were not in the state of bliss anymore?
and after we die, the believers who did good work will enter the garden on earth and be in a state of bliss?
Salam nerspi,
Yes. that is very much how I currently understand the Adam story verses, though I tend to see Adam and Eve as representing mankind at a specific stage in human evolution.
In the hereafter, I believe, we shall all be back... in a new Universe, one with laws that allow and account for the new features therein displayed, such as eternity.
1448 The Day the Earth is replaced with another Earth, as are the heavens, and they will appear before God, the One, the Irresistible.The Janna of reward will "take place" in that Universe.
Mohamed~
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peace
Assalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu
Hazrat Adam (alaihi salaam) and his wife were living in Paradise, until Satan deceived them, then they were expelled down to the Earth
Then did Satan make them slip from the (garden), and get them out of the state (of felicity) in which they had been. We said "get ye down, all (ye people), with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood - for a time." (236)
Also, humans did not evolve from any other species. It clearly says in the Holy Quran The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him "Be". And he was. (359)
Jazak Allah Khair.
if they weresent to earth, that would imply that he wasn't here before. so where was he?
or canthe translation of those verses be interpreted differently?
or translated differently?and if those verses are indeed mistranslated, who did that? didn't the translator have knowlage of arabic language?
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if they weresent to earth, that would imply that he wasn't here before. so where was he?
Adam (alaihi salaam) was in the Paradise/Garden We said "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the garden (al-Jannata) (235)
The translation of the verses I have provided are by Abdullah Yusuf Ali, and as far as I know there is no mistranslation.