Rukk'an and Sujjadan
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Salaam Samia
Samia "masla" is the noun of place, not "musall'n, which is the singular of musalleen/uun
Is the singular "musall'n used in the Quran ?
"masla" and "musall'n can they be separately identified without the diacritics
Are these common forms found in the language for place and doer? i.e. in this case worshipper.
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Salaam Samia
Is the singular "musall'n used in the Quran ?
"masla" and "musall'n can they be separately identified without the diacritics
Are these common forms found in the language for place and doer? i.e. in this case worshipper.
- No. Just the plural.
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Peace Ansi
Do you think the following verses are connected to the ?enter the gate sujjadaw? (25.
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Yusuf Ali They said "O Moses! in this land are a people of exceeding strength never shall we enter it until they leave it if (once) they leave then shall we enter."523
Pickthall Then outspake two of those who feared (their Lord, men) unto whom Allah had been gracious Enter in upon them by the gate, for if ye enter by it, lo! ye will be victorious. So put your trust (in Allah) if ye are indeed believers.524
Yusuf Ali They said O "Moses! while they remain there never shall we be able to enter to the end of time. Go thou and thy Lord and fight ye two while we sit here (and watch)." -
Peace Samia
I thought the 2 words are written with the same letters and without the marks they will look same.
2240 Nil lazina ukhriju_ min diya_rihim bigairi haq qin il la_ ay yaqu_lu_ rab bunal la_h wa laula_ daf'ul la_hin na_sa ba'dahum biba'dil lahud dimat sawa_mi'u wa biya'uw wa salawa_tuw wa masa_jidu yuzkaru fihas mul la_hi katsira_ wa layanshuran nal la_hu may yansuruh in nal la_ha laqawiy yun 'aziz
What do you think salawatuw means in this verse.
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Transliteration Wa rafa'a abawaihi 'alal 'arsyi wa kharru_ lahu_ sujjada_(n), wa qa_la ya_ abati ha_za_ ta'wilu ru'ya_yamin qabl(u), qad ja'alaha_ rabbi haqqa_(n), wa qad ahsana bi iz akhrajani minas sijni wa ja_'a bikum minal badwi mim ba'di an nazagasy syaita_nu baini wa baina ikhwati, inna rabbi latiful lima_ yasya_'(u), innahu_ huwal 'alimul hakim(u).
Yusuf Ali And he raised his parents high on the throne (of dignity) and they fell down in prostration (all) before him. He said "O my father! this is the fulfillment of my vision of old! Allah hath made it come true! He was indeed good to me when He took me out of prison and brought you (all here) out of the desert (even) after Satan had sown enmity between me and my brothers. Verily my Lord understandeth best the mysteries of all that He planneth to do for verily He is full of knowledge and wisdom.
Can someone explain
How did Joseph raise his parents?
Where did they fall?
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Peace Samia
I thought the 2 words are written with the same letters and without the marks they will look same.
musallin, as an indefinite noun, is written as musall (the last "in" is for nunnation in both ominative and genetive cases) and as musalliya with a final yaa and alif in the accusative cae. So it differs when idefinite.
If it is definite (e.g with alif laam, or first part of idfa construction) it is written as musalli (with a final yaa) whereas musalla is with a final alif maqsuura.
2240 Nil lazina ukhriju_ min diya_rihim bigairi haq qin il la_ ay yaqu_lu_ rab bunal la_h wa laula_ daf'ul la_hin na_sa ba'dahum biba'dil lahud dimat sawa_mi'u wa biya'uw wa salawa_tuw wa masa_jidu yuzkaru fihas mul la_hi katsira_ wa layanshuran nal la_hu may yansuruh in nal la_ha laqawiy yun 'aziz
What do you think salawatuw means in this verse.
According to lisaanl 3arab dictionary, the word "salawaat" is originally hebrew (saluut) and it is the place of worship.
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peace warner,
I think they are.12 100
Transliteration Wa rafa'a abawaihi 'alal 'arsyi wa kharru_ lahu_ sujjada_(n), wa qa_la ya_ abati ha_za_ ta'wilu ru'ya_yamin qabl(u), qad ja'alaha_ rabbi haqqa_(n), wa qad ahsana bi iz akhrajani minas sijni wa ja_'a bikum minal badwi mim ba'di an nazagasy syaita_nu baini wa baina ikhwati, inna rabbi latiful lima_ yasya_'(u), innahu_ huwal 'alimul hakim(u).
Can someone explain
How did Joseph raise his parents?
Where did they fall?1.He provided for them ,elavated them to powerful positions under his kingdom, and they submitted to his will.
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Peace Ansi
There is a literal explanation. Yours is metaphorical.
Why and how do you chose and distinguish between literal and metaphorical verse in the Quran?
How did you take arshi as powerful positions?
Sujjadan is not submitting to Josephs will.
Anyway Why does Jacob has to submit to Josephs will ?Do we submit to anyone?s will other than Allahs?
Still you left fell/wakharoo out of your explanation just as Aidid Safar.
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By Speaking in metaphors God addresses all time perfectly.
samia posted this previously
(I think the verb kharra also indicates "without hesitation, quickly" just as water does when it runs or falls. Even if there's an obstacle, it does not easily stop it like would happen with other objects; ) -
Peace Ansi
How did you take arshi as powerful positions?
means roof; the highest point in a house; its derivatives mean whatever protects you from the sun. Throne is a derivative meaning, since the kings seat is the highest among the audiences'.
I do not think it is appropriate that whenever the word "arsh" is used in relation to God to be translated as "throne". It could mean "command" as in (kaana 3arshuhu 3alal maa' 117 His command was upon water "from which everything alive is created"; not (His throne was on the water)...a floating throne?!! or in (arra7maanu 3alaal 3arshis-tawa) 205 how can we say that The Most Gracious rose over/ sat "comfortably on" the throne?! It should be that He took control of everything.
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ywsf raised the roof! put ya hands up playa! yay
it seems whether it is roof or throne the meaning that he raised his parents to an elevated position is rather clear.
same goes for they fell into submissionit's all rather clear to me...
warner i don't understand your issue with the ideologies presented here.
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means roof; the highest point in a house; its derivatives mean whatever protects you from the sun. Throne is a derivative meaning, since the kings seat is the highest among the audiences'.
I do not think it is appropriate that whenever the word "arsh" is used in relation to God to be translated as "throne". It could mean "command" as in (kaana 3arshuhu 3alal maa' 117 His command was upon water "from which everything alive is created"; not (His throne was on the water)...a floating throne?!! or in (arra7maanu 3alaal 3arshis-tawa) 205 how can we say that The Most Gracious rose over/ sat "comfortably on" the throne?! It should be that He took control of everything.
Peace,
A throne itself is the direct symbol for power. The throne is never meant to be a regular seat, but always a display of power. So I understood Throne to be His Supreme Power and Command.
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Peace
I would not be surprised with the kind of construction technology the Egyptians had at that time even if Joseph raised the roof or raised them on an escalator or a lift. No I am not ruling out exalted positions But in the Quraan Arsh is not used for roof and never with the meaning of covering from the sun. Even throne seem to be wrong translation and nothing to support Power and Command from the rest of the verses in which Arsh is used.
Check the below verses. I excluded the verses pertaining to Al Arsh of Allah since I do not think we can use Al Arsh of Allah to understand what Arsh means for humans.
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2259, , 117, 12100,1742, 1842, , 2245, , 2723, , 2738, 2741, 2741, 2742, 3975, 407, 4015,To derive the meaning of exalted position from these verses is quite remote.
I think Arsh is an area beyond the seven heavens and the earth. Since Allah created seven heavens and the earth it is logical from the Quranto assume that there is beyond. Also Allah is mentioned as Lord of the Aalamin, heavens and earth and there few verses like the below which covers what is beyond the heaven and earth.
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Say "Who is the Lord of the seven heavens and the Lord of the Arsh (of Glory) Supreme?"
Qul mar rab bus sama_wa_tis sabi wa rab bul arsil azim -
I'm sorry, peace all.
I just wanted to jump in real quick. From my studies of these words through lane's lexicon, lisan al-arab and muhit al-muhit, these are the definitions I would give for the following words. Take note that they are definitions that I remember that are not directly related to Islamic Salat.
raka'a to bow. Literally inhanaa, which is to incline oneself, i.e. to bend over.
sajada to bow. Literally inhanaa, which is to incline oneself, i.e. to bend over. This word also had a meaning of 'to worship', which in taking archaic language into mind means 'to pay (excessive) respects, to pay (excessive) homage, or to humble oneself before another thing or person in action and words.'
kharra to fall down/to come down (to the ground).
As for falling to one's chin. This is an ancient Arabic expression which finds its origin in the way camels lay on the ground. They lay down with their chins on the ground. The expression extends to all things that bow or bend over towards the ground. Including bent over trees.
Godbless,
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Peace,
Kharra is to fall to the ground. It is modified by rak'a to bow down, and sajada can also mean to either bow down or to worship/pay homage. Kharra is not to be taken alone. Unless it is 'alaa adhqaan which implies bowing down. So when we worship we fall to the Quran bowing down.
Godbless,
Anwar