Rukk'an and Sujjadan
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Peace Ansi
There is a literal explanation. Yours is metaphorical.
Why and how do you chose and distinguish between literal and metaphorical verse in the Quran?
How did you take arshi as powerful positions?
Sujjadan is not submitting to Josephs will.
Anyway Why does Jacob has to submit to Josephs will ?Do we submit to anyone?s will other than Allahs?
Still you left fell/wakharoo out of your explanation just as Aidid Safar.
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By Speaking in metaphors God addresses all time perfectly.
samia posted this previously
(I think the verb kharra also indicates "without hesitation, quickly" just as water does when it runs or falls. Even if there's an obstacle, it does not easily stop it like would happen with other objects; ) -
Peace Ansi
How did you take arshi as powerful positions?
means roof; the highest point in a house; its derivatives mean whatever protects you from the sun. Throne is a derivative meaning, since the kings seat is the highest among the audiences'.
I do not think it is appropriate that whenever the word "arsh" is used in relation to God to be translated as "throne". It could mean "command" as in (kaana 3arshuhu 3alal maa' 117 His command was upon water "from which everything alive is created"; not (His throne was on the water)...a floating throne?!! or in (arra7maanu 3alaal 3arshis-tawa) 205 how can we say that The Most Gracious rose over/ sat "comfortably on" the throne?! It should be that He took control of everything.
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ywsf raised the roof! put ya hands up playa! yay
it seems whether it is roof or throne the meaning that he raised his parents to an elevated position is rather clear.
same goes for they fell into submissionit's all rather clear to me...
warner i don't understand your issue with the ideologies presented here.
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means roof; the highest point in a house; its derivatives mean whatever protects you from the sun. Throne is a derivative meaning, since the kings seat is the highest among the audiences'.
I do not think it is appropriate that whenever the word "arsh" is used in relation to God to be translated as "throne". It could mean "command" as in (kaana 3arshuhu 3alal maa' 117 His command was upon water "from which everything alive is created"; not (His throne was on the water)...a floating throne?!! or in (arra7maanu 3alaal 3arshis-tawa) 205 how can we say that The Most Gracious rose over/ sat "comfortably on" the throne?! It should be that He took control of everything.
Peace,
A throne itself is the direct symbol for power. The throne is never meant to be a regular seat, but always a display of power. So I understood Throne to be His Supreme Power and Command.
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Peace
I would not be surprised with the kind of construction technology the Egyptians had at that time even if Joseph raised the roof or raised them on an escalator or a lift. No I am not ruling out exalted positions But in the Quraan Arsh is not used for roof and never with the meaning of covering from the sun. Even throne seem to be wrong translation and nothing to support Power and Command from the rest of the verses in which Arsh is used.
Check the below verses. I excluded the verses pertaining to Al Arsh of Allah since I do not think we can use Al Arsh of Allah to understand what Arsh means for humans.
Ayn-Ra-Shiin =
7137, 1668
6141, 6141
2259, , 117, 12100,1742, 1842, , 2245, , 2723, , 2738, 2741, 2741, 2742, 3975, 407, 4015,To derive the meaning of exalted position from these verses is quite remote.
I think Arsh is an area beyond the seven heavens and the earth. Since Allah created seven heavens and the earth it is logical from the Quranto assume that there is beyond. Also Allah is mentioned as Lord of the Aalamin, heavens and earth and there few verses like the below which covers what is beyond the heaven and earth.
23 86
Say "Who is the Lord of the seven heavens and the Lord of the Arsh (of Glory) Supreme?"
Qul mar rab bus sama_wa_tis sabi wa rab bul arsil azim -
I'm sorry, peace all.
I just wanted to jump in real quick. From my studies of these words through lane's lexicon, lisan al-arab and muhit al-muhit, these are the definitions I would give for the following words. Take note that they are definitions that I remember that are not directly related to Islamic Salat.
raka'a to bow. Literally inhanaa, which is to incline oneself, i.e. to bend over.
sajada to bow. Literally inhanaa, which is to incline oneself, i.e. to bend over. This word also had a meaning of 'to worship', which in taking archaic language into mind means 'to pay (excessive) respects, to pay (excessive) homage, or to humble oneself before another thing or person in action and words.'
kharra to fall down/to come down (to the ground).
As for falling to one's chin. This is an ancient Arabic expression which finds its origin in the way camels lay on the ground. They lay down with their chins on the ground. The expression extends to all things that bow or bend over towards the ground. Including bent over trees.
Godbless,
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Peace,
Kharra is to fall to the ground. It is modified by rak'a to bow down, and sajada can also mean to either bow down or to worship/pay homage. Kharra is not to be taken alone. Unless it is 'alaa adhqaan which implies bowing down. So when we worship we fall to the Quran bowing down.
Godbless,
Anwar