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    Samia
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    Peace Samia,

    Why is that?

    Nadeem

    My reply is based on the sentence you presented if taken out of context. But if we consider the whole verse, and put the sentence in its context, the word "impure" describes all the prohibited food mentioned before it, including swinemeat, so it will be for meat, not swine, because swine-meat will be considered one word a kind of meat.

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      nadeem
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      Peace Samia,

      Thanks -)

      If you could tell briefly about the grammar involved here, I'd be grateful.

      Nadeem

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        Samia
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        Peace Samia,

        Thanks -)

        If you could tell briefly about the grammar involved here, I'd be grateful.

        Nadeem

        1. Just the sentenc
          The sentence is an equational one with a subject (which is the prefixed pronoun in ; and the predicate is ). rijs is masculine singular because the subject (the pronoun) is, too. The pronoun refers to a noun which should be also ms. We have two nouns which are both ms ,so rijs could refer to either.

        2. Sentence in context "I do not find......anything forbidden to be eaten unless it is dead animal, blood or swine meat, as this is impure". Here, ( as this is)refers to anything forbidden. The "swine-meat" is a compound unit treated as one word since it is neither a subject in an equational sentence, nor is it followed by a direct adjective.

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          nadeem
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          Thanks Samia,

          As foretold; I'm quite grateful -)

          And as expected, another riddle The particle 'Inna'. From what I see, everything following the particle Inna becomes accusative (what is the Arabic term btw?), except from those words who are second members of a construct; those who are directly preceded by a preposition, and those adjectives linked to non-accusative words.

          True?

          And, when exactly does one use this sentence-head particle?

          From what I see, they are only employed in equational sentences. True?

          Nadeem

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            Samia
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            Salaam Nadeem

            You're welcome!

            Accusative manSuub

            inna/anna are the same particle

            It is inna when not preceded by ANY thing, even a letter, untranslatable. The only word that can precede it is the verb "qaala to say", and in this case it means "that" as in (he says that..).

            It is alaways followed by a noun in the accusative, known as (its noun the noun of inna). And yes, usually starts an equational sentence, but not exclusively.

            or anna (also known as sister of inna), same action, but is not used at the beginning of the sentence, and usually means "that" as in (I know that ...)

            What do you mean by an adjective linked to non accusative words?

            An adjective conforms with the noun it describes, so it does not have a rule of its own. The rule affects only the noun being described, and the adjective follows.
            Sometimes the noun of inna in an equational sentence comes at the end of the sentence when it is indefinite and the predicate is a prepositional phrase

            inna 3ala almaktabi kitaaban There's a book on the desk.

            When a sentence starts with a pronoun, it is good style to suffix the pronoun to "inna" instead of leaving it free innahu mudarres he is a teacher (the suffixed pronoun is the "noun of inna&quot

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              nadeem
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              Peace Samia,

              Thanks for a great lesson bravo

              What do you mean by an adjective linked to non accusative words?

              I can't remember.... hmm
              Memory isn't what it used be anymore...

              Another one

              According to the answer sheets is supposed to be in the genitive. I don't agree. What's the truth?

              Just to check It does mean Where did you hear god's verses? - right?

              Nadeem

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                Samia
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                Salaam Nadeem

                Another one

                According to the answer sheets is supposed to be in the genitive. I don't agree. What's the truth?

                Here is why

                1. is a sound feminine plural. This plural does not take the accusative sign or nunnation. So, we do not say but for both the accusative and the genetive.

                You do not revise your lessons >(

                Just to check It does mean Where did you hear god's verses? - right?

                Yes, that's correct bravo

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                  nadeem
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                  I love you!!!! group

                  You do not revise your lessons

                  I do, I do, I do.. but not all of it, unfortunately....

                  Mental note Sound feminine plurals take genitive case ending both when in genitive and when in accusative.

                  Nadeem

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                    unknownuser
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                    This is really a good start to learn Arabic. God bless.

                    Today while searching for Arabic lessons I found an amazing website run by a sister who is an etymologist. You may find it interesting http//arabicgems.wordpress.com

                    Peace all, Hamsa

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                      nadeem
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                      Peace RasulHamsa,

                      Thanks so much for that link! It's really good!

                      I found a very useful book of grammar from that site
                      http//www.mtholyoke.edu/courses/mjiyad/Arabic%20Grammar%20Book.doc

                      Nadeem

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                        Samia
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                        I went through the book up to point 25. It is a good and concise one. Simple and to the point. But there are two points I would like to comment on (so far)

                        15 Kuwait is not masculine, Yemen is .

                        24 The Diptotes is not a category of proper names. Some proper names are diptotes. Proper names do not take the definite article anyway (unless it is already part of the name ), otherwise diptotes do take the definite article. When they do, (or when they are the second part of idafa construction) they take the genetive sign. Example I went to far away offices; I went to the far away offices.(plurals of the pattern mafaa3il are a category of diptotes).

                        I will check it from time to time and post my comments, God help me, so that you can safely take what it gives.

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                          nadeem
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                          You are a real giver, Samia! Thanks!

                          I look forward to your comments...

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                            Kashif
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                            Salam All,

                            I will share my today arabic lecture with you guys, which hopfully answer some of Nadeem questions

                            Any noun (&#1605 in arabic when used in a sentence is considered following

                            Murfoo (&#1593 when a noun is subject
                            Munsoob (&#1576 when a noun is used as an object without Harf-Jar
                            Majroor (&#1585 when a noun is used after Harf-Jar or when it is Mudaf-alehi ( &#1616

                            For complete explanation and examples please see my attachment.
                            Now for answering following question"

                            Peace everyone,

                            My book says that the above means "For the believers of the earth". However, I don't see why this couldn't also mean "For the two believers of the earth".

                            Can someone explain?

                            I don't know if anyone answer it but here is my take

                            is 1) because it followed by Harf-Jar (Lam/for)
                            2) This is also

                            Now

                            Two Believers
                            Believers

                            So now when a plural noun is used as a Mudaff( ) then Noon at the end of the noun is dropped when joined with the word the earth (&#1590 in the above case

                            here is the answer then

                            For two believers of the earth
                            For believers of the earth

                            Note check out the Harka on the Noon carefully which will determine Two vs plural.

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                              unknownuser
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                              Peace sis Samia,

                              Would you please clarify the literal translation of the following
                              41

                              Created you from one self(Nafs) and created from it/him/her its/his/her spouse

                              I have read all three translations and I think "Ha" refer to her or it but not him. Am I right?

                              Thanks, Hamsa

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                                Samia
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                                Salaam Hamsa

                                Yes, you're right. It is "it", referring to soul/self/nafs. I would also say "pair" rather than "spouse".

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                                  unknownuser
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                                  Thanks sis,

                                  one more question please

                                  can we refer to one human being in the verse and in general.

                                  And also can we refer to God not in any verse ofcourse but in general.

                                  Peace, Hamsa

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                                    Samia
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                                    To my understanding, it does not refer to any number of people, nor to one person or entity. I think the emphasis is on quality rather than quantity.

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                                      Kashif
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                                      I am working on a Arabic Nouns mapping chart, which I will share you with you guys. Please note this is the work in progress and I planned to add examples/explanation for each category, Inshallah. Also, any feedback at this point would be very valuable for me.

                                      Enjoy.

                                      http//i189.photobucket.com/albums/z29/shazaduh/ArabicNounflowchart.jpg

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                                        To my understanding, it does not refer to any number of people, nor to one person or entity. I think the emphasis is on quality rather than quantity.

                                        Peace sis Samia,

                                        Although I couldn't really get it but I also do not feel asking again and again, I know it involves much study and explanation. But anyways thanks for your time. I am blessed with some bros and sis on this forum and hopefully will learn a lot from all of you inshaAllah.

                                        Peace, Hamsa

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                                          Samia
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                                          Salaam Kashif

                                          Just a few typos
                                          written as
                                          (Or perhaps you do not have this letter on your keyboard? I noticed its absence also in your previous message in the word , written as ) .
                                          Also and I think , written as and respectively.

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