no miracles?
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Peace,
- "And what is that biyameenika, O Moses?"
Yad=strength/ability/hand. So the verse can also mean 'What is your Strength Moses?
- He said, "It is my Asa on it I lean; with it I beat down fodder for my flocks; and in it I find other uses."
Asa is willpower, truth, conviction, people, nation, that which supports, state of unity. So the verse can also mean
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He said, "It is my conviction/faith on it I lean; with it I beat down fodder for my flocks; and in it I find other uses."
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((Allah)) said, "alqiha, O Moses!"
Tulqiya/almulqeena/alqoo/alqaw/alqi comes from the root laqiya and means to meet, meet with, see, come across, experience, occur, undergo, endure, find out a thing, lean upon, receive, come face to face. Here it refers to throw something so the person will undergo/receive/experiences/meets it, this can be anything from an object to a word that is thrown to the opposition. For example jalasa tilqaa fulanun means to sit facing or opposite to.
Possible meaning
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((Allah)) said, "Endure, O Moses!"
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He alqaha, and behold! It was hiya hayyatuntasAAa.
Normaly this is translated as behold it became a snake. But hayyatun means becoming alive, so it was his Asa that came alive, his belief and strength that came alive and vibrant to go on his mission.
- He endured it, and behold! His strenght and belief came alive.
2021 He said, Grasp it and fear not. We will keep it evergreen.
- "Now draw thy hand close to thy side It shall come forth white (and shining), without harm (or stain),- as another Sign,-
Yad---baydao means white hand but it also means an argument/proof/conviction that becomes very clear/evident.
Thus me and Dr.Shabbir have explained the story as such in QXP4
2012 Surely, I am your Lord! Take off your sandals. Surely, you are in the
sacred valley of Tuwa. (Your quest for the Truth is over. So lighten the
burdens of your search. Now you are in the Sacred Valley of Revelation)2017 What is your strength O Moses? (Moses was then given complete
Guidance and strong Logic, and was encouraged to ask any questions)
2018 He said, "Your Guidance is my strength. It will help me in all walks of
life. I will prove to be a competent shepherd for the Israelites, and will use it as the challenges come forth."2019 God said, You are now ready to embark upon your mission.
2020 He felt that the Message given to him was vibrant with life.
2021 He said, Grasp it and fear not. We will keep it evergreen. (Moses was told to hold fast to what he was taught to the extent that it became his first nature; even in frightening situations. And that he would come out unscathed from trying circumstances.)2663 Then We revealed to Moses, And move to the sea with your people. (Seek for them a dry path with confidence. Cross over the dried up Sea of Reeds 2077, 4424) The morning found the two parties apart like two hills with a basin in between.
7160 We set up twelve tribal communities among the Israelites for effective
administration. When his people asked for water, We revealed to Moses,
Move the Rock with your people! And twelve springs gushed forth from there7107 Moses presented his argument that he held fast, with vibrant confidence and logic. (falqa from laqiyaa means to meet, meet with, see, come across, experience, occur, undergo, endure, find out a thing, lean upon, receive, come face to face. Asa=State of unity=argument=people=nation=belief=conviction=strenght=that which supports=staff=cane=willpower.)
7108 The strength of his conviction shone bright to those present (2017-21)
7112 To bring all master debaters to your court. ('Saahir' from 'Sihr' =
Magician, liar, stunningly eloquent, smart poet, deceitful, trickster, cheater,
defrauder, dodger, hoaxer, swindler, seducer, one who turns of a thing from its proper manner to another manner, shower off falsehood in the form of truth)7117 So, We inspired Moses, Respond with Conviction. And then behold
how it swallows their deceptive rhetoric! (Asaa = State of Unity = Staff, as the fingers unite on the handle = = Cane = Something that supports = People = Nation = Community = Belief = Strength = Conviction = Authority = Power = Willpower = Strong logic = Convincing argument. )2066 He said, "Nay, you go first." Their smart presentation appeared to him to put life into otherwise feeble arguments with their logic wandering in different directions. (They were throwing the ropes of falsehood against the Rope of God)
People are completely and blindly following the Bible instead of looking for the far more logical and far more guiding meanings of the stories.
To read my explanation on all verses on Moses and his deeds and that of all other Prophets, I refer to my book "Evolution of Thinking"
http//19.org/index.php?id=91,550,0,0,1,0&PHPSESSID=91e0cb1e928ef0cb5db076991a9ab251
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peace
i see. amazing how some translate a certain verse one way and others in a different way. like there's 2 qur'ans.
but somebody did translate it in a way that shows miracles. so in a way these translators are saying things about God that are not true.
that God gave premission to prophets to perform miracles when in fact He did not.
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They use the Bible and ancient stories as their criterion in understanding the Quran. Also they demand miracles, as they believe this is how God must prove His Power. This is the ancient way of thinking, from a time when people did not understand nature and were quickly fooled by priests and judged power on the ability to 'supernatural' things.
Now we know better, and thus can refresh our understanding of the Quran. The Quran explains itself, so to understand one story, you must research others. God explains in the Quran that His Laws do not change, and thus we can understand how to read the stories on the Prophets.
And Warner, as far is I know, biyameenika means Right hand, or Strength. I know it also means Oath, which could also fit the context.
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Peace All,
Full respect to all of you here . No offence, I just wonder in my mind after seeing
2663 So We inspired to Moses "Strike the sea with your staff." So it split into two, each side like a great mountain.
If it's not a real miracle then why "So it split into two, each side like a great mountain"?
May God Guide.
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2663 Then We revealed to Moses, And move to the sea with your people. (Seek for them a dry path with confidence. Cross over the dried up Sea of Reeds 2077, 4424) The morning found the two parties apart like two hills with a basin in between.
The splitting of the sea is a rare natural phenomena, but it is no miracle
Colin Humpreys, a professor, has investigated what is called tidewinds. This when the tide has the same direction as a strong wind. This will push the water even further into one direction which will cause dry spots in lakes or even seas. In lake michigan this had occured several times, that one side were large area's had turned dry and on the other side where the tide and wind were going,the water had risen for more then 5 meters. It is like having a glass of water and blowing on the water, which will cause a rise of the water on one side and a lowering of the water on the other. C.Humpreys has investigated this for years at the red sea and found out this tidewind phenomena still occurs every so often, where a part of the sea turns dry, while on both sides there is still water. So the splitting of the sea still occurs today. The miracle with Moses then was the exact timing they were there when this tidewind occured. So the splitting is no miracle, the timing is. When the wind stops, all the water will rush back with tremendous force, which is the flood that took Pharoah and his people. See C.Humpreys book The Miracles of Exodus.
- So We inspired to Moses idrib bi-asa-ka-l-bahra. So it split into two, each side like a great mountain/walls/raised pieces of land.
It has to do with the arabic meanings that are chosen. Darb means to hit, beat, move, march on, to move from one place to the other, to bring forth a parable, and it has more meanings. Asa has multiple meanings, and one of the meanings is people, tribe, community, conviction, willpower, believe, strengtht, something that supports; as asa refers to a state of unity/oneness.
Taud means also a raised piece of land next to meaning mountain. So the correct translation of this verse is
- So We inspired to Moses And idrib=move to Al-Bahra=the sea with bi-Asa=your people. So it split into two, each side like Taud=a raised piece of land.
To understand this how this works when the wind blows in such a way to create this rare phenomena, I recommend you to take a small basin, put a little layer of water in it, and blow hard on the water in a steep angle of like 70 degrees. You will see one side becoming higher as the water is pushed that way, but also that the wind blocks any water from the opposite side to flood into the dry spot. This needs a strong wind. It is interesting that this is directly described in the Bible as such. So it seems this part of the Bible story is pretty accrued. The miracle of this story is not the splitting of the sea, but the timing of the people of Israel. They were guided through Revelation (Wahi) to the exact spot at the exact right time when this natural phenomena would occur. God didn't need to change any natural law or had to direct this phenomena. He only needed to guide the people to the exact spot.
See my book "Evolution of Thinking"
http//19.org/index.php?arnold
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Why?
"al kitab" is translated here as "divine writ" for some reason. I believe al kitab is universal law. God's message is in the universe, which contains clear and unclear signs.Can you please stop manipulating the Arabic Quran, it will take you no where but Hell
Al Kitab in 37 is the Quran, and the verse is a direct speech to Mohammad
the Ayat in the verse means the Quran verses
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Peace all,
Ayat can and has been used in the Arabic language to mean BOTH sign/miracle whilst the plural ayaat can also mean verses/revelation as per 37. It all depends on the context in which the terms are used. Everyone here has to rid themselves off the idea that one term in the Quran hs only one meaning throughout. It just doesnt work that way. Languages aint built tht way neither do they function tht way be it Arabic or any other. GOD Bless!Hello
I don't undersrtand what you are saying exactly, so the plural Ayat means verses but the singualr of it Aya does not mean a verse?
Is that what you are saying?
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In most cases does Yad refer to Ability or Strength. As for cross-reference,
2948 And thou (O Muhammad) wast not a reader of any scripture before it, nor didst thou write it with biyameenika, for then might those have doubted, who follow falsehood.
To translate biyameenika here as Right hand does not make sense, because if he would have written it with his left hand then they would not doubt it? It clearly refers to Strength or Ability I believe.
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In most cases does Yad refer to Ability or Strength. As for cross-reference,
2948 And thou (O Muhammad) wast not a reader of any scripture before it, nor didst thou write it with biyameenika, for then might those have doubted, who follow falsehood.
To translate biyameenika here as Right hand does not make sense, because if he would have written it with his left hand then they would not doubt it? It clearly refers to Strength or Ability I believe.
Very good point indeed!
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Peace "AB",
Hello
I don't undersrtand what you are saying exactly, so the plural Ayat means verses but the singualr of it Aya does not mean a verse?
Is that what you are saying?
JK- Yes i could not find, being consistent, any place in the Quran where it uses the singular term "ayat" to mean a verse of the Quran. GOD Bless!
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Peace "AB",
JK- Yes i could not find, being consistent, any place in the Quran where it uses the singular term "ayat" to mean a verse of the Quran. GOD Bless!
Hello
That is not the answe bro
what I;m saying is this
you consider the plural word Ayat to mean verses
how come the singualr does not mean a verse?
this is not Arabic man, this is a language you made up to server your own desires
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this is not Arabic man, this is a language you made up to server your own desires
What do you mean? You can't find in Arabic a plural which means something (or more) but the singular does not mean that "something" or at least not one of the other meanings?
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Peace,
Is it not so that the plural "Tawwaab" means relenting, while the singular "Taibun" means repenting?
Nadeem
Hello
what is Tawwaab exactly?, isn't one of the properties of Allah?, it does not look plural to me, do you think Tawwaab "" is plural?
Now what Tawwaab has to do with Taibun ""?
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What do you mean? You can't find in Arabic a plural which means something (or more) but the singular does not mean that "something" or at least not one of the other meanings?
hmmm, i didn't say any of the two options above, here what I said again
"this is not Arabic man, this is a language you made up to server your own desires"
is there any other options?
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Peace All,
Sorry for interrupting the "ayat" discussion.
Dear Arnold,
Thanks for your explanation - after reading your post I came to understand from ways you explain possibly "how" the "miracle" might have actually happened as what happens "rarely" on earth. Yes, maybe that was "how" it happened (but that's merely a guess anyway) - but not "why". All things it can only "happen" by God's leave
659 And with Him are the keys to the unseen, none know them except He. And He knows what is in the land and in the sea; and not a leaf falls except with His knowledge; nor a seed in the darkness of the Earth; nor anything moist or anything dry; all is in a clear record.
and also
2169 We said "O fire, be cool and safe upon Abraham."
2170 And they wanted to harm him, but We made them the losers.Indeed, all things it can only happen by God's leave - so there's no "chance" - so there's no "rare". It's happening by God's leave as in the above verse "We made them the losers" - not "chance". God made the "miracle" thing happen in order to "We made them the losers". Therefore, His prophet's don't need "chance" to help them, right?
By the way, how would you explain this 2169 as not a miracle?
The miracle's explanation is probably
2117 Initiator of heavens and Earth, when He decrees a command, He merely says to it "Be" and it is.
359 The example of Jesus with God is similar to that of Adam; He created him from dust, then He said to him "Be" and he was.
3682 His command, when He wants anything, is to say to it "Be" and it is!
4068 He is the One who gives life and causes death. And when He decides upon anything, He simply says to it "Be" and it is.
Therefore, I would not think that the explanation for miracles are "no miracle" or Tidewinds or chance.
Full respect to you, no offence. I also never knew about Tidewinds, I sincerely thank you for sharing your knowledge. I just ask to know different views and ideas from different people on earth. I'm not saying that I'm right or concluding anything because only God knows best.
May God Guide.
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Peace All,
In continuation to my previous post
250 And We parted the sea for you, thus We saved you and drowned the people of Pharaoh while you were watching.
God parted the sea for them, whatever the way of "how" it was parted, but it was done by God so "thus We saved you" - clearly God saved them and not the chance of occurance of some "rare" thing. For me, I think that this is a "miracle". What you think?
May God Guide