Modern Day Pork

savage_carrot

if you couldn't find a reason why you should follow a prohibition or requirement that God gives would you then disobey God? Or are you saying that you have found all the reasons of God's prohibitions or requirements and consequently follow all of God's laws?

It's not necessary that the latter would follow the former (as in finding the reasons and consequently following the laws), but I agree with what's implied. However on the flip side, some say that what is not understood or known shouldn't be followed until one can know or understand. I think the latter can be explained with a caveat try to verify to the best of one's ability with the given/current knowledge/reasoning etc, to understand/know (two schools here, those who think it shouldn't be followed in the meanwhile and those who think it should for avoidance of something unknown).

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jankren

What I (and perhaps Ahmed) wish to know is, if you couldn't find a reason why you should follow a prohibition or requirement that God gives would you then disobey God? Or are you saying that you have found all the reasons of God's prohibitions or requirements and consequently follow all of God's laws?

I understand what you are saying. However, I personally always try my best to avoid blind following. Besides, I believe God promotes reasons so I dont think he would command us to do something which serve no beneficial purpose at all.

Peace,

nerspi

peace

botom line, it does say it's prohibited. i don't think anybody mistranslated the verse.
besides, pigs aren't the only animals on the planet, i don't think it's hard to aviod them. there are so many animals that are allowed. what's the problem with staying away from this one animal?

i'm sure God has a good reason for prohibiting it. i haven't found that reason in the qur'an, but i assume it's health reasons.

unknownuser

Maybe I dont know. According to hadith it is a good medicine right?

Yes but I won't drink it still even if it will make me 10 years younger

unknownuser

peace

botom line, it does say it's prohibited. i don't think anybody mistranslated the verse.
besides, pigs aren't the only animals on the planet, i don't think it's hard to aviod them. there are so many animals that are allowed. what's the problem with staying away from this one animal?

i'm sure God has a good reason for prohibiting it. i haven't found that reason in the qur'an, but i assume it's health reasons.

Hello

Actually the reason was said in the Quran, I believe because they are Rijsun

Salam

palestina

Peace

Since everyone is in to food here I thought I clear a doubt on a similar subject.

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Yusuf Ali This day are (all) things good and pure made lawful unto you. The food of the People of the Book is lawful unto you and yours is lawful unto them. (Lawful unto you in marriage) are (not only) chaste women who are believers but chaste women among the People of the Book revealed before your time when ye give them their due dowers and desire chastity not lewdness nor secret intrigues. If anyone rejects faith fruitless is his work and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good).
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Transliteration Al yauma uhilla lakumut tayyiba_t(u), wa ta'a_mul lazina u_tul kita_ba hillul lakum, wa ta'a_mukum hillul lahum, wal muhsana_tu minal mu'mina_ti wal muhsana_tu minal lazina a_tul kita_ba min qablikum iza_a a_taitumuhunna uju_rahunna muhsinina gaira musa_fihina wa la_ muttakhizi akhda_n(in), wa may yakfur bil ima_ni fa qad habita 'amaluh(u_), wa huwa fil a _khirati minal kha_sirin(a).

What does it mean by the part "food of people of the book is allowed".What is this food , is it meat or everything else?

Does this mean we can not eat food of mushrikeen and kafirs.

Peace warner,

I think it refers to the food of the people of the book as seperate because they also have rules and regulations as to what they can and cant eat - eg. kosher food is prepared similiarly to halal food; as someone (i think dotty?) stated earlier - the bible also prohibits the eating of pork etc....

People of the book are further segregated as disbelievers and believers. Can we eat both of their food ?

Where does it say this?

nerspi

Actually the reason was said in the Quran, I believe because they are Rijsun

i said that i haven't found it. but since there is, good.
could you explain what "rijsun" means?

unknownuser

i said that i haven't found it. but since there is, good.
could you explain what "rijsun" means?

Hello

Firstly let me clear another point out by bringing this verse

And when you are greeted with a greeting, greet with a better (greeting) than it or return it; surely Allah takes account of all things.

(86)

-> See how clear it is ? And when you are greeted with a greeting, greet with a better (greeting) than it or return it; surely Allah takes account of all things.?

Now let me move on and answer your question

Rijsun means (the least) "something bad"

Cheers

phoenix1

peace

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9265.0

I think this is an interesting thread.
Is the command (to not eat pig) using symbolism? I'm not sure.
I haven't seen a convincing "health reason" for avoiding pig meat. And even if there was one, it doesn't make sense for the quran to mention pig meat and not all the other harmful and deadly stuff we shouldn't eat.

warner

Peace Ay

Thanks for your answer. I can not think of anything better either. But I feel there is more to these rules than we understand. If Koshe is about slaughtering properly, does the Quraan say anything on proper slaughter?

What do you think of the food of Kafirs and Mushriks?

Following verses are examples of rejecters among the People of the Book surely you can find examples of the believers among the People of the Book

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Yusuf Ali It is never the wish of those without faith among the people of the Book nor of the Pagans that anything good should come down to you from your Lord. But Allah will choose for His special Mercy whom He will for Allah is Lord of grace abounding.

Transliteration Ma_ yawaddul lazina kafaru_ min ahlil kita_bi wa lal musyrikina ay yunazzala 'alaikum min khairim mir rabbikum, walla_hu yakhtassu bi rahmatihi may yasya_'(u), walla_hu zul fadlil 'azim(i)

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Yusuf Ali Those who reject (Truth) among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists were not going to depart (from their ways) until there should come to them Clear Evidence

Transliteration Lam yakunil ladzina kafaru_ min ahlil kita_bi wal musyrikina munfak kina hat ta_ tatiyahumul bay yinah

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Pickthall Lo! those who disbelieve, among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings.

Transliteration In nal ladzina kafaru_ min ahlil kita_bi wal musyrikina fiha_, ula_ ika hum syarul bariy yah

unknownuser

Bros/Sis, what happend to my question?

Peace, Hamsa

Dotty

I think it refers to the food of the people of the book as seperate because they also have rules and regulations as to what they can and cant eat - eg. kosher food is prepared similiarly to halal food; as someone (i think dotty?) stated earlier - the bible also prohibits the eating of pork etc....

Peace,

I want to make a correction. Earlier I did say the bible prohibits eating pork, but I had the wrong chapter. It is actually in

Deuteronomy 148 The pig, because it has a split hoof but doesn?t chew the cud, is unclean to you of their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch.

God bless,

dotty

jankren

peace

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9265.0

I think this is an interesting thread.
Is the command (to not eat pig) using symbolism? I'm not sure.
I haven't seen a convincing "health reason" for avoiding pig meat. And even if there was one, it doesn't make sense for the quran to mention pig meat and not all the other harmful and deadly stuff we shouldn't eat.

Like what? Poisonous frog? I dont think it is necessary to tell people not to eat such an obviously harmful animal that no one eats anyway unlike pig which is consumed by many people around the world.

Al-Quraishi

It's not necessary that the latter would follow the former (as in finding the reasons and consequently following the laws), but I agree with what's implied. However on the flip side, some say that what is not understood or known shouldn't be followed until one can know or understand. I think the latter can be explained with a caveat try to verify to the best of one's ability with the given/current knowledge/reasoning etc, to understand/know (two schools here, those who think it shouldn't be followed in the meanwhile and those who think it should for avoidance of something unknown).

Salam Savage,

The thing is, if you already believe the Qur'an is from God, then that is enough for accepting everything that God tells us to do - rather than saying 'well this is only from God as it makes sense to us' - it's a backward means of doing it.

phoenix1

Like what? Poisonous frog? I dont think it is necessary to tell people not to eat such an obviously harmful animal that no one eats anyway unlike pig which is consumed by many people around the world.

and why is a frog so obviously harmful??
there are a lot of other things too that may not be poisonous, but are extremely unhealthy, and they are consumed by pretty much everyone today. Example coke, fast food, any kind of fried food.
The quran isn't a health book. It doesn't give us any information at all about how to eat healthy or stay healthy. It just says "don't eat pig meat." It doesn't even bother to tell us why.
Is this really the best healthy advice god could give us? you must be kidding me.
peace!

jonny_k

Peace "lobster",

The quran isn't a health book. It doesn't give us any information at all about how to eat healthy or stay healthy. It just says "don't eat pig meat." It doesn't even bother to tell us why.
Is this really the best healthy advice god could give us? you must be kidding me.
peace!

JK- Im sorry lobster but this is INCORRECT. "khinzeer" also means "contaminated" just as "kahmr" doesnt only mean "alcohol" but any "mind covering drugs" as well. So yes GOD forbade all contaminated meat be it poisonous by nature or artificially, be it of immediate or long term effect. GOD Bless!

jankren

and why is a frog so obviously harmful??

Did I say all frogs are harmful?

there are a lot of other things too that may not be poisonous, but are extremely unhealthy, and they are consumed by pretty much everyone today. Example coke, fast food, any kind of fried food.
The quran isn't a health book. It doesn't give us any information at all about how to eat healthy or stay healthy. It just says "don't eat pig meat." It doesn't even bother to tell us why.
Is this really the best healthy advice god could give us? you must be kidding me.
peace!

God does tell us why. If only you would open you Al Quran once in a while you know.

"Forbidden to you is that which is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was sacrificed to other than God, and that which has been strangled, and that which has been beaten to death, and that which has fallen from a height, and that which has been gored, and that which the wild animals have eaten from except what you managed to rescue, and what has been slaughtered on alters, and what you divide by the arrows of chance. This is all vile."
(Al Quran 53)

And as Johnny said the reason those things are forbidden because they are unclean or contaminated. Moreover, God gave us akal' or intelligence to tell which is bad and which is good. Just because Al Quran does not mention the forbiddance of shit for example does not mean Muslims can eat shit. It is like when school forbids you to bring cellphone to class because it could obviously disturb your or everyone elses concentration you assume that then it is ok to bring Nintendo DS or Gameboy Advance instead.

Peace,

phoenix1

come on Jankren, since when does "vile" mean anything??
I can say "don't play soccer because it is vile" or "don't listen to music because it is vile."
So don't ever play soccer or listen to music again because, as I have just said, they are vile.

And as Johnny said the reason those things are forbidden because they are unclean or contaminated. Moreover, God gave us akal' or intelligence to tell which is bad and which is good. Just because Al Quran does not mention the forbiddance of s*** for example does not mean Muslims can eat s***. It is like when school forbids you to bring cellphone to class because it could obviously disturb your or everyone elses concentration you assume that then it is ok to bring Nintendo DS or Gameboy Advance instead.

Okay. Cell phones are forbidden in class because they can distract. Not because they are "vile." There's an actual reason for banning cell phones. And it's not just cell phones, it is, or at least should be, anything that is distracting in a class room.
The quran, unless Jonny is right about "khinzeer" not meaning "pig", only gives us one specific thing that we shouldn't eat, and doesn't give us a (good enough) reason.
If Jonny is right, then my argument doesn't stand, of course. So, bro Jonny, where's your proof?

zenje

Peace Suzanne and welcome to the forum,

I am a new Revert and as expensive as groceries are right now, especially the price of beef...I find that many cuts of pork are very affordable!
Veges are goood and cheaper than meats.http//i28.photobucket.com/albums/c236/zenje/smilies/vegi.gif

The 'gay' threads, the 'drink' threads and the pig threads... always get much love. group

PEACE

Bigmo

I think Judaism also forbids pork. Anyways its not a big deal I believe. There is some evidence that pork needs to be cooked in higher temperatures or for a longer time to eleminate bacteria or something like that.

Its no big deal I believe. Muslims are usually raised not to eat it so there is a taboo there. Its better to avoid excessive meat anyways, and pork is heavy in cholesterol.