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Is god life itself?

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    unknownuser
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    2135

    Every Nafs/life/soul/living bieng must taste of death.

    In the quran God also has used the word "Nafs" for Himself.

    So we really cannot understand the Nafs/self of God, we can only know Him through His attributive names He has given in Quran.

    peace

    Hamsa

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      unknownuser
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      So,if god is a nafs and every nafs tastes death,then god tastes death as well?
      ps; death in my view is a recycling into another energy form,ashes to ashes dust to dust,etc....

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        nerspi
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        peace

        as a matter a fact i can imagine.
        God was not created, we even talked about it in another topic here.
        you see if someone created God, wouldn't that someone be better then God and why would we be told to serve God if there would be someone better then Him.
        so for me it's not hard to grasp the fact that God was not created. it even says in sura 112 He was not beggoten. what more proof do you need?

        well you can't equate God to humans because He created us. we are not the same thing. He can destroy us but we can't come even close to even try to harm God.

        and before He created the universe, there was only Him. i don't know what He was doing or if He created anything else before this universe, i'd like to ask Him though.

        you're right hamsa, we can't understand. i mean i know God is alive, He is living but He will not taste death.

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          unknownuser
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          So,if god is a nafs and every nafs tastes death,then god tastes death as well?

          We cannot apply 2135 to God, that was my point. We cannot/ and are unable to understand the nafs/self of God. All we can know about God is what He Himself has told us in the quran. Thats it!

          peace

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            nerspi
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            peace

            could you name the verse where God says He's nafs?
            you listed several meanings of the word, doesn't mean they all go for God.

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              For example
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                nerspi
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                peace

                what, the word "Himself"?

                could you replace the word "Himself" with "life" or "soul"
                would that make sense?

                to me something doesn't sit right.

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                  peace

                  what, the word "Himself"?

                  could you replace the word "Himself" with "life" or "soul"
                  would that make sense?

                  to me something doesn't sit right.

                  Can you read arabic?

                  "himself" is a pronoun in english. ;D

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                    nerspi
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                    peace

                    unfortunatly i can't read arabic.

                    i don't know, what does the qur'an say?

                    is God life?

                    in those verses i didn't find that God calls himself "life". did i miss something?

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                      Jafar
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                      God is not comparable to anything.

                      That's why the Jews / Bani Israil called Him YHVH (Yahuweh/Yahuwah) which means He Who Is or He is He. This is due to EHYEH ASHER EHYEH (I Am Who I Am) answers from God when asked about His nature.

                      God is boundless on every side on all dimensions, and that explains the choice of word ECHAD (Hebrew) and AHAD (Arabic) which means ONE instead of YACHID (Hebrew) or WACHID (Arabic) which means "Single" or "Finite One". Thus He is THE INFINITE ONE. And how many "infinity" that could be possibly exist? Only ONE / ECHAD / AHAD.

                      From the Quran we can read that God is very near, nearer than our jugular vein. And that EVERYTHING depends on Him, and that also explains the choice of "RABB" word in the Quran, which means "Cherisher/Maintainer". Thus RABB AL-ALAMIEN eq CHERISHER / MAINTAINER OF ALL UNIVERSES.

                      So we cannot say that God is X (Replace X with anything; including "life&quot because He Is He / He Is Who He Is. And life itself is just one of His Creation.

                      Alhamdulillah (All Praise to God) / Hallelujah (Glory Be To YHVH)

                      Salam / Peace

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                        nerspi
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                        So we cannot say that God is X (Replace X with anything; including "life&quot

                        peace

                        can i replace x with merciful?
                        we can say "God is merciful", right?

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                          Samia
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                          peace

                          can i replace x with merciful?
                          we can say "God is merciful", right?

                          "merciful" is an adjective. Jafar means when X is something, noun not attribute or adjective.

                          Salaam enquirer

                          First, welcome back!!
                          So, if God is life, whose life? You mean everybody has his life as his own God?

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                            unknownuser
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                            Life = state of being alive.

                            2155
                            Yusuf Ali Allah! There is no god but He,-the Living,
                            Pickthal Allah! There is no deity save Him, the Alive,
                            Shakir Allah is He besides Whom there is no god, the Everliving,

                            peace

                            unfortunatly i can't read arabic.

                            i don't know, what does the qur'an say?

                            is God life?

                            in those verses i didn't find that God calls himself "life". did i miss something?

                            IMHO, We should be able to read quran otherwise we have to rely on the opinions of translators.

                            You missed the word Nafs

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                            kataba/decreed rabbukum/your Lord AAala/on nafsihi/his nafs alrrahmata/the mercy

                            Again we cannot understand his Nafs/self, we can only know Him through His attributes.

                            Peace all, Hamsa

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                              nerspi
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                              peace

                              You missed the word Nafs

                              no wonder, since i don't speak arabic.

                              Life = state of being alive.

                              exactly, it's a state, not someone who lives and talks.

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                                unknownuser
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                                no wonder, since i don't speak arabic.

                                To see a word one only needs eyes! ;D

                                exactly, it's a state, not someone who lives and talks.

                                Since am not a philosopher like you, so realy cannot comment on this.

                                peace

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                                  agentxxx
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                                  peace enquirer,all.

                                  rasulhamsa- we can only know Him through His attributive names He has given in Quran.

                                  Right ) The concept of God is uniquely different in every human being?s mind; even amongst the follower of the same faith. According to my understanding this concept keeps on changing with the passage of time in relation to one?s own life?s experiences/knowledge and rational analysis.

                                  IN MY PERSONAL OPINION,

                                  GOD = MERCY+LOVE+FORGIVENESS+JUSTICE+ ALL THE POSITIVE FORCES IN THE UNIVERSE.

                                  And if in any human being/society or any place everywhere in this universe, where these attributes/positive forces cease to exist?..God cease to exist there.

                                  peace

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                                    unknownuser
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                                    And if in any human being/society or any place everywhere in this universe, where these attributes/positive forces cease to exist?..God cease to exist there.

                                    ah brother, very true indeed! Thanks

                                    peace

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                                      agentxxx
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                                      ah brother, very true indeed! Thanks

                                      peace

                                      Thank you...cheers.

                                      peace

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                                        Samia
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                                        IN MY PERSONAL OPINION,

                                        GOD = MERCY+LOVE+FORGIVENESS+JUSTICE+ ALL THE POSITIVE FORCES IN THE UNIVERSE.

                                        And if in any human being/society or any place everywhere in this universe, where these attributes/positive forces cease to exist?..God cease to exist there.

                                        How beautifully put bravo

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                                          agentxxx
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                                          How beautifully put bravo

                                          Thank you sis angel sun

                                          peace

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