no miracles?
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Hello All
Here is a comment by a member on my web site, who is a member here but I think he had enough of the non sense posted and repeated on a daily basis on this web site
Brother Tha said
the "problem" with that fella is that he thinks presenting shabbir ahmed's views in his own words somehow makes his claims infallible -- i ve talked with him a couple of times and i suggested that his views had remarkable similarity to the ahmediyyas, and at once he touted the shabbir ahmed card, as if shabbir ahmed is immune to having been inspired by the qadiyani interpretation!
...and it probably doesn't help that shabbir ahmed himself happens to be a wannabe -- if u compare his translation with that of parwez, u will realise that he is li'l more than a remorseless thief! he scrupulously avoids mentioning qadiyani, and, if i remember correctly, has claimed to be an admirer of abduh and afghani; the fact, however, is that he is inspired heavily by the interpretations of the self-proclaimed messenger from qadian!
abduh tried hard to appease the non-muslim world (read west) by showing the quran as a modern text, and 1 such effort led him to explain djinns as microbes,
...mirza ahmed, on the other hand, had his own designs, and understood the word, amongst other things, as the negative side of the human psyche! where emotions did not "fit" the text, he would turn djinns into aliens (foreigners), and at yet another place he would make them peepz who are "hidden" (living in seclusion)! likewise, to explain some verses he made djinns "chiefs" or "influential humans" -- u can see how he constantly keeps manipulating the word in a desperate attempt to render a translation suitable to his design!
...both parwez and shabbir ahmed have adopted the same distortions, and the online wannabes are following suit (with an occasional wannabe adding to or subtracting from it) , and this speaks volumes for the originality of the generations of wannabes spawned by the efforts of mirza ahmed aka qadiyani!
coming back to the 950 years thingy, u once again see the chain; shabbir ahmed is the bloke's inspiration
shabbir ahmed And, indeed, We sent Noah to his nation, and his Message survived among his followers a thousand years less fifty. The flood overwhelmed the rejecters, for they used to violate human rights.
...and who inspired shabbir ahmed?
parwez (However there is nothing strange in what they are saying. Consider the history of the tussle between good and evil, starting from the times long past. Firstly you will notice that) We sent forth Noah unto his people and his era lasted for a period of nine hundred and fifty years. (Then the period of Abraham started.)* (His people opposed him strongly and) The result was that the deluge overtook them; as indeed they were the 'Zalimeen'.
...and where did parwez get his idea from?
check out mirza's ahmed commentary for the verse; he says 950 is not the span of noah's life, rather the span of his period of dispensation!
take care, bud! (-
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It seems your very eloquent forum member has missed out Dr.Shabbir's book on Mirza Ahmad
http//www.ourbeacon.com/hashish.pdf
bravo
And for the rest, he is dismissed ;D
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It seems your very eloquent forum member has missed out Dr.Shabbir's book on Mirza Ahmad
http//www.ourbeacon.com/hashish.pdf
bravo
And for the rest, he is dismissed ;D
I donlt know what your article means?, did Qadiani sell hashish to shabir?
well both sound stoned to me
are you stoned yourself?
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Mirza Ahmad used commentaries from other famous Quran commentators as Sir Syed Khan and others, he never really invented anything himself. So the whole argument is baseless from the start. Muhammed Abduh was a reformer, and not infallible, but he re-introduced the concept of the Quran explaining itself. It is never black and white, a person can never be completely right or completely wrong.
Parwez mostly expounded from Muhammed Iqbal, same holds for Dr.Shabbir.
So agreeing with other people's ideas makes him a wannabe?
Then brother Tha can be called an AhmedBhagat wannabe with his use of 'bloke' and 'fella', or is AB a Tha wannabe, who can tell? ;D
As usual, only personal attacks, not showing any need for real discussion or peacefull approach. Very Quranic behaviour...ahum
And Rajah
Ok ! Dear Arnold Mol that is the way, I hope we will enjoy our discussion
happy You idolize them
Again and again you show a display of some hidden arrogance. Is there any room in your people's head for a peacefull, non-personal discussion? Not that I really care, but I hope you can imagine the above quote shows a bit of hypocrisy in your posts?
Peace to both of you
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Arnie, can i copy your comment to my web site so brother The replies to you?
for your non sesne about me, well fine that is your opinion but I have to dismiss it because you lost all creditablity whth your manipulations to the Quran words.
hey, did you see me manipulating the Quran words to suit my own desires?
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- (sana) can also refer to 1 or 1 quarter.
Salam Hamsa
Where you got this info from please?
Sanah in the Quran means 12 months and for me they are the 12 Luner months
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PEACE (greeting which is quite peaceful and bolded)
I donlt know what your article means?, did Qadiani sell hashish to shabir?
well both sound stoned to me
are you stoned yourself?
) Is this how we contribute to an enlightened discussion? I hope the pun doesn't escape notice.
can i copy your comment to my web site so brother The replies to you?
If he's a member here, he can reply here? If he doesn't want to reply here then isn't it a bit complicated and odd to consistently post between two forums because of sensitivities? Reminds me of when parents say they aren't talking to each other and then tell their kids to communicate to the other.
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PEACE (greeting which is quite peaceful and bolded)
Is this how we contribute to an enlightened discussion? I hope the pun doesn't escape notice.
Salam (Greeting),
Greeting has nothing to do with being peaceful, so I don't know what you are talking about
Regarding the enlightened discussion, well I didn't see you doing any thing when he called my Bigot nor when he told me to shut the hell up, therefore it is been proven that you are unfit moderator and I have to dismiss you
If he's a member here, he can reply here? If he doesn't want to reply here then isn't it a bit complicated and odd to consistently post between two forums because of sensitivities? Reminds me of when parents say they aren't talking to each other and then tell their kids to communicate to the other.
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Peace (yet another greeting, peaceful but not bolded)
Greeting has nothing to do with being peaceful, so I don't know what you are talking about
Thank you for telling me what it has nothing to do with. I was wondering about that and now it's clear.
Regarding the enlightened discussion, well I didn't see you doing any thing when he called my Bigot nor when he told me to shut the hell up, therefore it is been proven that you are unfit moderator and I have to dismiss you
Just because you didn't see it, doesn't mean something wasn't done . This however has nothing to do with the current discussion and completely irrelevant. Isn't surprising.
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Salam Hamsa
Where you got this info from please?
Sanah in the Quran means 12 months and for me they are the 12 Luner months
Salam AhmedBahgat
Just see the root of sanah in the lane's lexicon http//www.studyquran.co.uk
peace
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Salam AhmedBahgat
Just see the root of sanah in the lane's lexicon http//www.studyquran.co.uk
peace
Salam bro
I'm sorry bro, the root method is invalid and flawed, it can't be addmisable as an evidence, can you bring all the Quran evidences that used the word Sanah?
Salam
Thanks
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Salam bro
I'm sorry bro, the root method is invalid and flawed, it can't be addmisable as an evidence, can you bring all the Quran evidences that used the word Sanah?
Salam
Thanks
Salam bro,
I would love to learn the valid and correct method. If you already have explained it please forward the links.
Thanks
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Salam bro,
I would love to learn the valid and correct method. If you already have explained it please forward the links.
Thanks
Hello bro
There is no valid and correct method other than the words meaning within the context, what i proved before on this web site many times that the root method is flawed and can never be a valid method of knowing what the word mean withjing the context
I also never heard in Arabic that Sanah may mean a season, like Summer Spring etc
Your argument is flawed for a simple reason
You can not deduct apples from mangos, you need both to be the same before you deduct one from another, that is why you have to come with lane allegation then convert the 950 by dividing it by 4. it is not like Allah is telling us numerical puzzles and we need lane to explain it to us, on the other hand, if you trust lane book that much, why don't you trust the hadith books? (both are man made)
Also, there are many other prophets/non prophets who lived very long like Noah as recdorded in the Bible (I trust the bible more than the hadith and lane books btw) for example The oldest man recorded in the Torah is Methuselah, who lived 969 years. (Gen. 527)., this inclne that the early people lived far linger than the later people, a very logical requirment for the humans to spread on earth quickly as Allah planned for them to live and spread on it
Actually, this argument of Noah's age regarding which that remained 950 years within Noah's people was refuted before, in here they just keep parroting their flawed arguments over and over again, exactly like the boys and girls on FFI web site, they dont want to give heed and learn, they don't want to be enlightened and follow the truth as the Quran exposes it, rather stuck in their ego not to admit that their understanding is flawed
As for the opposing argument, QXP exposits 2914's reference to 950 years as the number of years Noah's message stayed with his people, not his actual age.
QXP
2914 And, indeed, We sent Noah to his nation, and his Message survived among his followers a thousand years less fifty. The flood overwhelmed the rejecters, for they used to violate human rights.Peace,
TayPeace mate
Without trying to be argumentive, the above explanation by QXP can be proven flawed with ease, I understand well that the non Arabic speakers can be mislead easily when they read these sorts of translations, the fact of the matter stays that QXP is having a guess and this constitute a conjecture as well saying things about Allah that we don?t know, so here is QXP saying that Allah means the message of Noah that stayed 950 years not Noah himself, I looked again on the Arabic verse and clearly QXP got it wrong, let me bring the Arabic verse here
(14)
-> Honestly Tay, I can?t believe that some Muslims manipulate the Arabic words in such manner then use the English translation to mislead many fellow non Arabic speaking Muslims, the key word in the verse is ?Labatha?, ?remained?
-> In Arabic, the verbs must follow the sex of the one who is performing the verb or whom the action is performed upon
-> Noah in Arabic is masculine
-> The Message in Arabic is feminine
-> The verb ?Labatha? is masculine
-> Applying the simple rule 1+1= 2 we can conclude that the masculine verb ?Labatha? is referring to the masculine name ?Noah?
-> If the verb was about the message then IT MUST BE ?Fa Labathat?, there is an extra ?Ta? at the end that will be required for the feminine message
-> The question remains why Allah refers to something ?The message? that He never mentioned in the verse?
Thank you
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Peace (yet another greeting, peaceful but not bolded)
Thank you for telling me what it has nothing to do with. I was wondering about that and now it's clear.Greeting
I have to reply to this, firstly my argument stands correct, Greeting has nothing to do with being peaceful, for example, I can be damn angry with someone "like a car dealer who supllied the wrong part and I discovered this on Saturday while working on the car but I had to wait for Monday when they open again), see I'm damn angry and not peaceful at all because they screwed up and caused a delay to what I was planning to do
On Monday (you know, just another manic Monday), i went to them first thing in morning with all the anger I have that was building for 48 hours waiting, I entered the shop and this is what i have to say to them
Greeting
You have screwed up because you supplied the bloody wrong part and I wasted my time on the weekend and now Ii have to wait for the next weekend to finish the car
See
Bye
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Salam AhmedBahgat
There is no valid and correct method other than the words meaning within the context
I am not Arabic speaking, from where should I learn the "words meaning"?
Thanks for time and efforts.
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Hello all
Here is an important point, remember what we are required to believe in?, well the previous scriptures are one thinig that we are required to believe inequally as we believe in the Quran with an exception, the exception was stated in the Quran numerous times, The Quran should qualify all previous scriptures, i.e. the corruption on'm can be detected using the Quran, here is the Bible telling us that Noah lived 950 years
"All of Noah's days were 950 years, and he died."
The above passage in this previous scripture HAS BEEN CONFIRMED BY THE QURAN, i.e. we have no other choice but to believe it
Salam
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Salam AhmedBahgat
I am not Arabic speaking, from where should I learn the "words meaning"?
Thanks for time and efforts.
Salam bro
From the English translation of the Quran as a whole not on a word by word basis as your flawed root method does, then if in doubt you need to seek the help of a trusted Arabic speaker or just learn Arabc if you are not lazy enough
Salam
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Salam bro
From the English translation of the Quran as a whole not on a word by word basis as your flawed root method does, then if in doubt you need to seek the help of a trusted Arabic speaker or just learn Arabc if you are not lazy enough
Salam
Fill in the blank
hadith is written by men, lexicon is written by men, and english translation is written by ..........?
Salam
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and Angelina Jolie is a man.
A clear cut lie for 3 reasons
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She was pregnant and had a baby from pitt
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She was a lesbian
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She appeared naked in her early movies to shoot to fame quick and clearly she is a sexy woman
What you said must be a clear cut lie unless you like thinking of her as a man for a reason hidden inside yourself
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