Our Own Country: please vote thanks
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Peace,
Well, I voted yes because I want to give it a chance and I dont mind if it fails.
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I don't get it, will this country refuse other (religions) people to live there? confused
No no, not at all, the country will allow people from any religion and race to be its citizens. But everyone is subjected to the same law - the Quranic law. I am asking this question because no country has based their laws entirely on the Quran yet. Especially in Malaysia where we have Civil Law and Shariah Law used seperately on defferent matters. Just a thought really. Wanted your opinion if such a country exists.
And thanks for voting YES RasulHamsa, that's the spirit!
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Peace Ahmad,
That's kinda what I thought, but then after seeing some of the replies I wondered if I missed something. It's like no, I don't want to be with those who follow quran alone, I prefer diversity. Must it be one or the other?
Thanks for the clarification though. peace
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No no, not at all, the country will allow people from any religion and race to be its citizens. But everyone is subjected to the same law - the Quranic law. I am asking this question because no country has based their laws entirely on the Quran yet.
There was at one time a government almost based upon Qur?anic principles?
The Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom drafted by Thomas Jefferson is the basis for the Religion Clauses in the US Constitution?s Bill of Rights and it?s no coincidence that Jefferson learned Arabic so he can read Qur?an and that the founding fathers that were in actuality mostly Deists (Muslims in a way) built the world?s strongest democracy.
http//religiousfreedom.lib.virginia.edu/sacred/vaact.html
"Well aware that Almighty God hath created the mind free; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burdens, or by civil incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the plan of the Holy Author of our religion, who being Lord both of body and mind, yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either, as was in his Almighty power to do; that the impious presumption of legislators and rulers, civil as well as ecclesiastical, who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time; ?
Be it therefore enacted by the General Assembly, That no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burdened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in nowise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities?"
Peace
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peace
i like the idea, i'd be good to have a country like that but the problem is always a threat from people who don't like quran alone followers and if they try to attack they would kill a lot of us at once.
at least we're in different places now, they can't get to us all. -
Especially in Malaysia where we have Civil Law and Shariah Law used seperately on defferent matters. Just a thought really. Wanted your opinion if such a country exists.
And thanks for voting YES RasulHamsa, that's the spirit!
I don't think Malaysian Sharia Law can even be considered Quranic as this new hypothetical country aims to be, this goes for all other abominations of sharia law through out the world.
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Peace to all,
Any reasonable one will do lobster, we dont need to have all the answers and have a perfect translation to make progress. I originally read the Quran translation of Rashid Kahlifa at Submission org when I converted to Islam, then I read Yusuf Alis and most recently Mohhamad Asads version, I get the same message and feeling of peace from each version. I dont really care about what some ancient arabic interpretation could be about some minor issue, we all know what the basic message is regardless of whose interpretation as long as it is an honest and correct attempt. Anywhere we do have disagreements or differences then we wil work them out as honestly and ethically as we can together. We would elect representatives and consult each other over our disputes.
There are many good things we could do and I think it is something we should really attempt, I dont believe we would fail as I feel we may have God guide us in our endeavors if we conduct ourselves as best as we can according to his will.
I actually am glad brother Ahmad posted this topic, I have been thinking of asking the same thing for soem time now. I have contemplated and imagined this yet to be Nation of Islam. I think it can be done and I even have a few ideas where and how we can do it.
Kurt
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Salam Rumi,
Yeah, I don't consider Shariah Law as Quranic and the true Islamic Law either. I'm just stating that Malaysia have 2 seperate laws. If I'm ever in power, I'll ditch both, gradually replacing it with one universal law - the Quranic Law, applicable to all, regardless of race, and religion.And Salam too to IronSky,
Cool. So it seems that I'm not the only one dreaming of an Islamic Nation, who observes the Quranic Law, advanced in thought, sciences, and research. Have better morality and most importantly - Free!... or is it just my wishful thinking?
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Peace Be Upon You All
For those of you who are for it, can you explain in more detail how this community will be? Visualizing is an excellent tool to realizing a dream. I don't need specifics but the basic structure would be good. And Bro Kurt, its cool that you have concrete ideas. Care to share with us? )
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Easy folks.I voted no as i feel the quran only movement is not mature enough to govern,and is embroiled in disagreeements over fundamental practical issues...
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Peace Be Upon You
Thanks for the link Sis Elke! People were so funny and cute back in 2003 ;D
Not so bitter as some posts these days hypno
There were alot of good ideas, I especially liked Bro Damon's. It's a shame he's not around anymore.
Bro Anwar had some interesting thoughts, a few of which I agree with. It would be interesting to see how his thoughts have evolved now on the subject if any.
Come on folks get some ideas going like that old thread! By the end of the thread I thought I was going to read we bought our first farm and moved to Singapore or something it felt so close to breakthrough! D