Our Own Country: please vote thanks
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Peace all,
Some food for thought...
The Nation of Pakistan is a country that was formed and established by Muslims who lived in British India and saw the importance of having a Home of their Own. Also, it was meant to be a country governed strictly by the laws of the quran.
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Peace Kurt, Damon, all,
Kurt, may God bless your efforts bro. I think your idea is brilliant and definitely worth a deeper look. I'm also fascinated by the Native American culture, as it parallels my own. Could you post or pm some links for more info? I'm planning a trip out to Yellowstone this summer and wouldn't mind stopping by, if that was cool. Is your reservation in Minnesota?
Damon, it's great to hear from you. I hope all is well with you and your family.
Peace,
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Salaam Ironsky
This is a very interesting idea, and definitely much better than buying land/island for the obvious reasons you sited.
But I still believe that (correct me if I am wrong) the reservation submits to the federal law of immigration, so you can only have those who are already in America.
Besides, and this is my main point, how would other residents like to have their reservation being a home model for qur'aan alone community? They are the majority. The only way is if they embrace this idea and become quraan aloners/sympathisers themselves. That's how muslim community emerged in its beginning. Or you become yourself the responsible authority and apply the principles of quraan and so they will embrace these principles and we have the community.
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Peace Be Upon You All
Adultery is not actionable in the U.S. Some jurisdictions still have laws but it's only because they were put in place a long time ago and nobody has sued for that in a long time so it was never taken out. but if someone were to sue for adultery today in 2007 they would revise the law immediately. What is actionable is not the sex act. There is no compensation for that. but what is is if the cheating husband for example contracts an STD and knowingly or negligently or recklessly does not share that information with his wife. If she were to contract the STD or if she needed testing that would be actionable. so there needs to be some tangible damage done as a result of the adultery for a suit to arise today in 2007.
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Salaam Boost, all
Do you mean that if a couple, married or not, have sex in a park, they will not be sued?
In the UK, it is a crime to have sex in public, whether between married or unmarried couple. This is what the word "zina" means, according to the way set to prove it.
As for cheating husband/wife, even the qur'aan does not state a punishment for that, just permanent divorce if the cheated upon party sue (of course unlless the cheating one confesses)
If unmarried couple have sex inside a house/hotel..who will know so as to sue them? Spying , eavesdropping, forced entrance in a house or entrance without permission are all prohibited explicitly in the qur'aan.
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Salaam Boost, all
If unmarried couple have sex inside a house/hotel..who will know so as to sue them? Spying , eavesdropping, forced entrance in a house or entrance without permission are all prohibited explicitly in the qur'aan.
God.
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As for cheating husband/wife, even the qur'aan does not state a punishment for that, just permanent divorce if the cheated upon party sue (of course unlless the cheating one confesses)
OPF why say God? but good.
This is God
Sorry!on the note of wives cheating husbands, but why? The reason is obvious
Muslim
Book 008, Number 3471Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying Had it not been for Eve, woman would have never acted unfaithfully towards her husband.
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Funny, I remember something else in the Quranic story, something about a Satan?
I'm sure many of you have seen this mathematical proof, but here to goes again.
Women are the root of evil. It is known that Money is evil.
Women demand Time, and they demand Money.
Time = Money.
Therefore, Women = Money * Money => More Money
Since Money = Evil, then sqrt(Evil) = Women.
Exactly. So the matter is between them and God.
I'd fear God more than I fear 100 lashes...
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Muslim
Book 008, Number 3471Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying Had it not been for Eve, woman would have never acted unfaithfully towards her husband.
Eve cheated on Adam? You mean we are not "banu Adams"? &
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Eve cheated on Adam? You mean we are not "banu Adams"? &
oh my God, Listen please not me!
Huzoor (salla allahu alaihi wa sallam) said that.
And also please dont confuse it, there wasn't any other man beside adam that time. It could only mean wives picking husband's pockets etc...
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PEace Be Upon You Sis Samia
That would be indecent exposure. Usually the police advises them to break it up. If they get belligerent they may get a fine. If they refuse to comply they will be imprisoned for obstruction of justice. nobody gets sued though. and the wife of the cheating husband or the husband of the cheating wife still doesn't sue for adultery. they could get a divorce though.
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Just for clarification
adultery definition might vary to include fornication, but mostly it is voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and a partner other than the lawful spouse.
fornication Sexual intercourse between partners who are not married to each other.
indecent exposure Revealing one's genitals under circumstances likely to offend others. Exposure is indecent under the law whenever a reasonable person would or should know that his act may be seen by others--for example, in a public place or through an open window--and that it is likely to cause affront or alarm. Indecent exposure is considered a misdemeanor in most states
salaams, lk
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I've noticed that when the topic is discussed of "quran-alone" Muslims collectively migrating to form an ummah, its frequently done so with the premise of forming of a country. Corrective me if I'm wrong, but "ummah" means "community", not "country". The idea of being able to form a country over-night is extremely unrealistic. I'm all for collective migration, but it would have to start off considerably smaller than a country. For one, no country in the world is going to give up any significant portion of its territory to any group of people to start a new country. Secondly, a "start-up" country made up of citizenry from diverse cultures would have no cohesiveness. Third, it would have no way of protecting itself.
You have to crawl before you can walk. Any ummah formed through collective migration would have to involve purchasing property in an already established country. The government and laws of the "host" country would have to be respected and followed. To some degree, the new ummah could create and enforce it own "rules" on its people. It would have to start off very small, resembling a neighborhood more so than a city, province, or country. Overtime, it would grow, during which time a culture and government would develop through trial and error. Maybe someday its success would draw more people to it, possibly even to the point of it becoming a city, province, or country. But, it may not ever expand beyond being a neighborhood. Regardless of how big it becomes, the fact that it is a sanctuary for people wanting to live under true Qur'anic law is what's important. The goal of forming a "quran-alone" country is indeed very noble. That, however, is a long term goal. Long term goals are met through a series of achieved short term goals.
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Peace Be Upon You Bro Brian
That was a post with remarkable clarity. I agree
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Peace all
brian, i share your view on the meaning of ummah being rather community than country and personally , that is enough for me. BTW a community does not even need to live together in order to form a community.
iron sky, i dont think you answered my questioning concerning your campaign. Could you tell me more ?
elke