Origin of life
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Well, what's life?
i mean consciousness...
Consciousness is a quality of the mind generally regarded to comprise qualities such as subjectivity, self-awareness, sentience, sapience, and the ability to perceive the relationship between oneself and one's environment.
I hope you understand what i mean.
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I agree with lobster,why do we need a first cause to start life? Life has always existed in one form or another,it just evolves to higher levels of conciousness and complexity or vice versa....Even sub atomic particles may be classed as life...
Life is energy,and energy cannot be created or destroyed....Energy just changes from one form to another...
A giant eternal recycling of energy is what constitutes the universe... -
Energy and consciousness are different, I think. And they both together form our world. God breathed energy into the consciousness to create us. This universe, as enquirer said ( welcome back, btw) is energy. Your consciousness I guess is your will, which commands, and the rest is energy with which your will does work. But if god is the will (god says "be" and it is?) then how does he create? with energy...but then the energy is seperate from god? I dunno, this is getting too complicated for me.
Anyway, the thing is that scientists don't believe in consciousness.
According to the quran, I believe, consciousness and thoughts are seperate (will and energy).
According to scientists, they are the same. Consciousness is the result of thoughts.So, the scientists say, the universe is energy, everything is energy, and all that can exist has to be energy, so there is no such thing as consciousness or free will (look at jonny k's posts), so there's no soul, so there's no need for god.
But the thing is, a lot of times science and religion say the same thing in different terms. I find that I agree often agree more with athiests than I do with members of this forum.
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Peace all,
What do you think all the enrgy combined is? Ever thought of that? I suggest you quit the supernatural thought of GOD. And whether theres a need for God or not is also out of question since GOD's existence as the supreme intelligence is Inevitable as ive explained before. Btw Hawkins is now coming up with the theory that there had to be an infitely larghe universe from which all other universes evolved/derive. Now doesnt it click in your mind. infinite unvierse= infinte time to evolve= Infinite intelligence INEVITABLY evolved = therafter carries out aeverything and leaves nothing more upto chance. Its exactly what ive thought all along. I always knew when scientists claimed tht the universe came from nothing it was just a void filler which they cldnt explain yet. GOD Bless! -
Well, what's life?
Replication and metabolism, apparently.
Definitely not consciousness.
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Very interesting johhny k,can you elucidate on your thoughts a little more....I find the notion that all the energy combined equals god,and the infinite time to evolve an infinite intelligence very interesting...
How would you explain how an infinite length of time has already passed,isnt that a contradictory concept? I mean how can there already have been an infinite period of time passed if there is still more time to come? -
peace Jonny,
the quran says god has existed forever. It didn't evolve.
Plus, there's no evidence of this "infinite universe" yet. Maybe it exists, but "god" is not something that has to do with it, at least not the god which religious scriptures have mentioned. We knew nothing about infinite universes 3000 years ago, but we knew about god. -
Peace "lobster",
peace Jonny,
the quran says god has existed forever. It didn't evolve.JK- The term evolve is not tht technically appropriate because it happened in an instant since quantum particles do not experience time. It immediately happens in at those levels. But it gives the idea. And yes even if wed say "GOD evolved from infinity" then it still means He was always there so this is really only a matter of phrasing the terms.
Plus, there's no evidence of this "infinite universe" yet. Maybe it exists, but "god" is not something that has to do with it, at least not the god which religious scriptures have mentioned. We knew nothing about infinite universes 3000 years ago, but we knew about god.
JK- Oh i guess there were philosophers back then who thought abt time never having a beginning in an absolute sense, since it doesnt make any sense. GOD Bless!
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Peace "enquirer",
Very interesting johhny k,can you elucidate on your thoughts a little more....I find the notion that all the energy combined equals god,and the infinite time to evolve an infinite intelligence very interesting...
How would you explain how an infinite length of time has already passed,isnt that a contradictory concept? I mean how can there already have been an infinite period of time passed if there is still more time to come?JK- The more relevant qs should be how cld anyone say infinite time has not passed? It would vilate causality since then we would ultimately stumble upon magic and that does not make any sense whatsoever. There always has to be a cause which causes something else and this had to be going on since ever. I posted an article stating that time does not have a beginning except in a relative sense and it is interesting that recently Hawkins pointed out the existence of an infinite universe from/through/in which all other universes evolve. This btw was in my mind all along. GOD Bless!
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Ok johhny,so if there always has to be one cause preceding an effect how can there be a first cause which is uncaused itself?
ps;I do take your point somewhat on infinite time,but its infinite relative to humans.... -
Peace "enquirer"
Ok johhny,so if there always has to be one cause preceding an effect how can there be a first cause which is uncaused itself?
ps;I do take your point somewhat on infinite time,but its infinite relative to humans....JK- Thts right theres no first cause. First cause does not make any sense unless we wanna beleive in magic before tht. GOD Bless!
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Ok,i agree on that,so where does god fit into this? Why not an infinite number of lesser gods/causes?
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Ok,i agree on that,so where does god fit into this? Why not an infinite number of lesser gods/causes?
JK- Coz over time they would combine into one singularity. Thats why we see the laws of the universe being the same all over also. And even by us humans applying the scientific method wer coming closer together and starting to resolve our disputes. This is how the system gets ahead, otherwise at some stage it would destroy itself and if equal creation and construction occured through infinite time there would be what i previously termed as the infinite intervention problem and nothing could exist. GOD Bless!
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Isnt it a law of the universe that no single thing (ie,god.) can be infinite? Only the whole universe considered as a whole can be infinite.
Creation+god= bigger than just god....... -
God is out of the universe?
Is it SERIOUSLY that hard to fathom such a thing?
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Ok,jesus,krishna and zeus are out of the universe as well......
Tell me how they interact with the universe when they are out of it? -
If I knew as much, I would.
But why is an all-powerful entity unable to interact with what they created?
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The issue was how can an entity OUTSIDE of the universe interact with the universe?
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Does ANYONE know?
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Ok,we will see what others think,i think an entity that is not of this universe and not subject to its laws cannot interact with the universe, making it moot and fictional....