Who built the kaaba that is in Mecca?
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Peace
The House of God is in Jerusalem.
In Hebrew, Beit HaMikdash or "The Holy House" and also Beit Adonai (House of God).
Jerusalem meaning Jeru (City) Salem (of Peace).
It is located on the Temple Mount...
It is well documented in the Torah, which I remind comes before the Hadith!
and fits very well with the descriptions of Masjidi Alharam in The Quran.
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Let's see the reality
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RAJAH-Instead of providing any proof/evidence that goes in your favor You again started asking me questions? ignoring all the Historical evidences I provided.my reply was
AGENT- Historical Evidences? AMBIGUOUS VERSES are not historical evidences bro, they are interpretations based on assumptions.you wrote
RAJAH- WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY AMBIGUOUS VERSES?? and all those researchers research work is just a crap which i noted??Hail to you then!!!!
Now you have changed ambiguous verses to ambiguous Quran?
THE REALITY IS THIS, dear Agentxxx
I am a Quran only believer
Whatever is in Quran is crystal clear
Whatever is in Quran I believe is correct
Quran is unchanged
Quran is the Word of AllahBUT
There are verses in quran which are ambigous ) )
So do whom you are trying to play with, smart boy
If you doubt a verse in quran or call its verse ambigious that certainly applies to the whole Quran.
And now you misquote me and on that basis declared me a HYPOCRITE
No! I did not misquoted you; You said Quranic verses are ambigious, thus causing shadows of doubt over whole Quran.
Agentxxx
So in fact only Allah knows the true meanings of these ambiguous verses
Dear agentxxx, there is no ambigious verse in quran, as long as it can be interpreted.
Agent xxx
- Supremely exalted is therefore Allah, the King, the Truth, and do not make haste with the Quran before its revelation is made complete to you and say O MY LORD ! INCREASE ME IN KNOWLEDGE.
Even prophet Mohammad is advised to pray for increase in knowledge.
Completly out of context. Yes we should pray for increase in knowldge.
The revelation was completed and Muhammad explained what was revealed to him.Agentxxx
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rajah- Quran was revealed in Arabic and to Arabs, THEREFORE THEY ARE THE NATION WHICH HAS BEEN GIVEN IMPORTANCE BY ALLAH TO LEAD THE WORLD IN FUTURE weather yOU, AYMAN or anyone likes it or not!Again you make claims that you don?t have any evidence from quran to support.
O mankind! Lo! We have created you male and female, and have made you nations and tribes that ye may know one another. Lo! THE NOBLEST OF YOU, IN THE SIGHT OF ALLAH, IS THE BEST IN CONDUCT. Lo! Allah is Knower, Aware. 4913.
oh! dear; dear!
We are not talking about what will happen at the day of judgement, offcourse it will be according to what deeds one has done weather an arabic or non arabic. I am talking about Quran being revealed in arabic and Arabs leading the world as IS RECORDED IN HISTORY, MUHAMMAD WAS AN ARAB and for HUNDRED OF YEARS AFTER MUHAMMAD THEY LEAD THE WORLD.Agentxxx
With apology from all Arab brothers ??? what way are they qualified to lead the world in future and who??.bin laden?
This again reveals discrimination or jeleousy towards Arabs as is evident from yours and few others posts. Bin laden is not the only Arab. And if he does what he is doing in self defence then I am with him.
Agentxxx
If any Arab or anyone in the world stands for humanity ?I will support him?but my hero?s lives in the geographic boundaries of Pakistan and not in Arabia.
Pakistan? 1947? what was Pakistan before 1947?? Can you call Dr. Iqbal a hero of Pakistan? Jinnah a Hero of Pakistan? May be no Pakistan after 100 years? then what? there was no Pakistan 100 years before? Pakistan East and Pakistan West? what happened Bangladesh? Pakistan? So who is the hero of Bangladesh? same as Pakistan? No! Why?
My Hero is any one who lives and strives for the name of Allah!
You and your friends keep on parroting Quran only; Quran Only; but the message of Quran is against nationalism and asks for universal brother hood.I have a dream that one day INDIA/PAKISTAN/JAMMU&Kashmir/Bangladesh will become one again because we were victim of international consipiracy as is Palestine.
RasulHamsa
Chaand roshan chamakta sitara rahey
sab say uncha ye jhanda humara rahey
jab talak jan main jan hey ye lahraey ga
daikh laina ye dunya pay chaa jaye ga...Theek hay; acha hay; laikan pehley "Allah" phir Pakistan.
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Agentxxx
The term ?God?s House? or baytul-lah does not exist anywhere in the Quran. If this idea is so central to the Muslims, how is it that it escapes mention in the Quran.
And God, the Lord of the Universe doesn?t live in a tiny 627 square foot hollow rock cube in Mecca.
Quran clearly tells us that
The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka Full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings
the word use is (Awal Bayt)
So a house which is first house built specially by order of Allah by Abraham and his son for Allah's worship and that house is full of blessing and guidance for all kinds of beings, is SURELY BAYT AL ALLAH. -
peace Rajah,
THE REALITY IS THIS, dear Agentxxx
I am a Quran only believer
Whatever is in Quran is crystal clear
Whatever is in Quran I believe is correct
Quran is unchanged
Quran is the Word of AllahBUT
There are verses in quran which are ambigous Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
So do whom you are trying to play with, smart boy
If you doubt a verse in quran or call its verse ambigious that certainly applies to the whole Quran.
Ambiguous = open to dispute, having many possible interpretations; obscure, vague
All these scholars according to your principle because they call these verse "Ambiguous, not entirely clear, Allegorical etc, etc, etc.
They are all of the opinion that none knows its meaning except Allah....and the people well grounded in knowledge say we believe in it that its all from Allah.....003007
It is He Who has sent down to you the Book (this Qur'?n). In it are Verses that are ENTIRELY CLEAR, they are the foundations of the Book ; and others NOT ENTIRELY CLEAR. So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation (from the truth) they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof, seeking Al-Fitnah (polytheism and trials, etc.), and seeking for its hidden meanings, but none knows its hidden meanings save All?h. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say "We believe in it; the whole of it (clear and unclear Verses) are from our Lord." And none receive admonition except men of understanding. (Tafsir At-Tabar?).It is He Who has sent down to you (Muhammad SAW) the Book (this Qur'an). In it are Verses that are ENTIRELY CLEAR, they are the foundations of the Book ; and others NOT ENTIRELY CLEAR. So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation (from the truth) they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof, seeking Al-Fitnah (polytheism and trials, etc.), and seeking for its hidden meanings, but none knows its hidden meanings save Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say "We believe in it; the whole of it (clear and unclear Verses) are from our Lord." And none receive admonition except men of understanding.
He it is Who has revealed the Book to thee; some of its verses are DECISIVE -- they are the basis of the Book -- and others are ALLEGORICAL. Then those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead, and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation. And none knows its interpretation save Allah. And those firmly rooted in knowledge, they say We believe in it, it is all from our Lord. And none mind except men of understanding.
He it is Who hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture wherein are CLEAR REVELATIONS - they are the substance of the Book - and others (which are) ALLEGORICAL. But those in whose hearts is doubt pursue, forsooth, that which is allegorical seeking (to cause) dissension by seeking to explain it. None knoweth its explanation save Allah. And those who are of sound instruction say We believe therein; the whole is from our Lord; but only men of understanding really heed.
It is God who has revealed the Book to you in which some verses are CLEAR STATEMENTS (which accept no interpretation) and these are the fundamental ideas of the Book, while other verses may have SEVERAL POSSIBILITIES. Those whose hearts are perverse, follow the unclear statements in pursuit of their own mischievous goals by interpreting them in a way that will suit their own purpose. No one knows its true interpretations except God and those who have a firm grounding in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All its verses are from our Lord." No one can grasp this fact except the people of reason.
He it is Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are DECISIVE, they are the basis of the Book, and others are ALLEGORICAL; then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation. but none knows its interpretation except Allah, and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge say We believe in it, it is all from our Lord; and none do mind except those having understanding.
HE it is who has sent down to thee the Book; in it there are verses that are firm and DECISIVE IN MEANING - they are the basis of the Book - and there are others that are susceptible of DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS. But those in whose hearts is perversity pursue such thereof as are susceptible of different interpretations, seeking to cause discord and seeking wrong interpretations of it. And none knows it except ALLAH and those who are firmly grounded in knowledge; they say, `We believe in it; the whole is from our Lord.' - And none take heed except those gifted with understanding ?
He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book In it are verses basic or FUNDAMENTAL (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book others are ALLEGORICAL. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.
It is He Who has revealed the Book to you. Some of its verses are ABSOLUTELY CLEAR and lucid, and these are the core of the Book. Others are AMBIGUOUS. Those in whose hearts there is perversity, always go about the part which is ambiguous, seeking mischief and seeking to arrive at its meaning arbitrarily, although none knows their true meaning except Allah. On the contrary, those firmly rooted in knowledge say ?We believe in it; it is all from our Lord alone.? No one derives true admonition from anything except the men of understanding.
It is He who has sent down to you the Book. Some of its verses are PRECISE IN MEANING they are the foundation of the Book and others OBSCURE. Those whose hearts are swerving with disbelief, follow the obscure desiring sedition and desiring its interpretation, but no one knows its interpretation except Allah. Those who are well-grounded in knowledge say
'We believe in it, it is all from our Lord. And none remember except those
who are possessed of minds.- He it is Who has sent down the book to you, in it are statements which are DECISIVE, they are the basis of the book and others are ALLEGORICAL. So those in whose hearts is (a desire for) deviation from the right, they follow that which is allegorical in it, seeking to mislead and seeking to interpret it, and no one knows its interpretation except Allah; and those sound in knowledge say, "We believe in it, all is from our Fosterer, and no one minds except those who have understanding.
It is He Who has sent down to you (Muhammad SAW) the Book (this Qur'?n). In it are Verses that are ENTIRELY CLEAR, they are the foundations of the Book ; and others NOT ENTIRELY CLEAR. So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation (from the truth) they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof, seeking Al-Fitnah (polytheism and trials, etc.), and seeking for its hidden meanings, but none knows its hidden meanings save All?h. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say "We believe in it; the whole of it (clear and unclear Verses) are from our Lord." And none receive admonition except men of understanding. (Tafsir At-Tabar?)
It is He Who sent down upon you the Book, in which some verses have CLEAR MEANING, they are the substance of the Book, and others are those, in the meaning of which THERE IS DOUBT. Those in whose hearts there is perversity pursue doubtful one desiring deviation and searching their own viewpoint of it, and its right interpretation is known to Allah alone. And those of firm knowledge say, 'We believed in it, all is from our Lord and none accept admonition save men of understanding.
http//www.ahadees.com/quran/ayat.php?surah=3&ayat=7
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http//www.pakdata.com/quran/quran.htm
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Salaam Rajah
The verse you mentioned does not have Kaaba or House in it. It says Al Masjid al Haram.
I will not translate it as ?sacred mosque?.Does the Quraan tell that the ground/land around the cubic stone structure in Mecca is the al masjid al haram. The mosque area around this cube has been expanding many folds from its original position for many years acquiring the buildings, houses and hotels in the neighborhood. Do you think all this increased expanded area will constitute al masid al Haram. Also that we should stand facing to all this expanded area whenever and wherever we are doing salat ? When the Quraan does not say face the Kaaba why should we face it during salat or at any other time?
Your opinion which is the traditional one has too many contradictions to the Quraan.
You might want to go to the hadith section and read my thread about hadith versus the sunnah.
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Oh ,, ( what happened to your Avatar? My little one was quite fond of your previous one,coz she resembled one of her friends in Montessori.
peace
siki
I was going to make a similar comment, except that it is me who was quite fond of the little pretty smiling face. It also makes your posts cool even when they are voodoo
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peace all,
Agent
Oh ,, what happened to your Avatar? My little one was quite fond of your previous one,coz she resembled one of her friends in Montessori.
peace
siki
I was going to make a similar comment, except that it is me who was quite fond of the little pretty smiling face. It also makes your posts cool even when they are voodoo
The reason why I have changed my avatar is that I might be included in "the shameless list" of bro ahmed because of this thread and I don't want her pic to be there........thank you very much for expressing your love for her.....she will be back as my avatar as soon as possible.
Siki please convey my love to your little angel http//i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/nabpeace/new%20good%20gif/angels_17.gif May God bless her.
sis sami this is for you
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Peace rajah,
Rajah-what was Pakistan before 1947??
Hindustan??.and my heroes from that era are all those who fought against the British rule.
Rajah-Can you call Dr. Iqbal a hero of Pakistan? Jinnah a Hero of Pakistan?
What are you talking about??
Allama Iqbal is our national poet and Mohammed Ali Jinnah is the founder of Pakistan.Rajah-there was no Pakistan 100 years before?
There was no Saudi Arabia, America, Canada, England etc few hundred years back?.what are you trying to say??
Rajah-May be no Pakistan after 100 years?
May be no earth after a 100 years confused.
The geographical boundaries of the sub continent have changed many times in the history?..before the moguls and particularly emperor Akbar?..the subcontinent was divided into small princely states based on ethnics divisions.
Presently the subcontinent has three independent states?Pakistan, India and Bangladesh??our history before 1947 is the same but after 1947 we have our own history and heroes, Bangladesh and India have their own.
Rajah-My Hero is any one who lives and strives for the name of Allah!
Ah another emotional statement without defining the meanings of striving for the name of Allah???is it like smiting the heads of the infidels? Or killing the innocent people by suicide bombings? Many are striving for the name of Allah in a very violent way?.the shias are striving for the name of Allah in their own ways?.the Sunnis and particularly the wahabis are striving in their own way?.Taliban were striving in their own way????.northern alliance was striving in a different way
My heroes are who defend the borders of my country and all those who contribute to the betterment of the people of this country and those whose strive for the honor of this country in what ever way and in what ever field and it doesn?t matter to me if they are Muslims or non Muslims.
Rajah- You and your friends keep on parroting Quran only; Quran Only; but the message of Quran is against nationalism and asks for universal brother hood.
Now you are negating your own divine laws of ?Arabs are the chosen people to lead the world in future"
Universal brother hood means you live in peace with each other in spite of difference in color, caste, creed, nationality.
rajah-I have a dream that one day INDIA/PAKISTAN/JAMMU&Kashmir/Bangladesh will become one again because we were victim of INTERNATIONAL CONSIPIRACY as is Palestine.
What a paradoxical statement?..your heroes are the one who strive for the name of Allah?..how are you going to convince one billion Hindus, Sikhs and other non Muslims in the subcontinent to follow your heroes and belief?.
With the kind of attitude you reflect?.its hard even for moderate Muslims to live with you, so how do expect the non Muslims to digest this rigid approach????in fact this kind of rigid approach is the barrier that make it more and more difficult for people of the subcontinent to live in peace.
Yea international conspiracy?.the battle of camel, Ali and mauvia?s battles, massacre at karbala, the Abbasid?s massacre of banu omaya etc were all international conspiracies.
DID BABER came to the subcontinent and massacred IBRAHIM LODHI and his army because of this international conspiracy??..SHER SHAH SOORI kicked HAMAYUN out of the sub continent??..AURANGZEB killed his brothers and put his father emperor SHAH JEHAN into prison because of this conspiracy.
please Stop blaming other for every wrong doing of our own.
rajah- Quran was revealed in Arabic and to Arabs, THEREFORE THEY ARE THE NATION WHICH HAS BEEN GIVEN IMPORTANCE BY ALLAH TO LEAD THE WORLD IN FUTURE weather yOU, AYMAN or anyone likes it or not!
Agentxxx-Again you make claims that you don?t have any evidence from quran to support.
O mankind! Lo! We have created you male and female, and have made you nations and tribes that ye may know one another. Lo! THE NOBLEST OF YOU, IN THE SIGHT OF ALLAH, IS THE BEST IN CONDUCT. Lo! Allah is Knower, Aware. 4913.
Rajah
oh! dear; dear!
We are not talking about what will happen at the day of judgement, offcourse it will be according to what deeds one has done weather an arabic or non arabic. I am talking about Quran being revealed in arabic and Arabs leading the world as IS RECORDED IN HISTORY, MUHAMMAD WAS AN ARAB and for HUNDRED OF YEARS AFTER MUHAMMAD THEY LEAD THE WORLD.My dear Rajah Sahib, First you talk about the future and when you couldn?t produce a proof supporting your claim, you shift your focus into the past.
Where in the above mentioned comments of mine and the verse that I posted is a talk about JD?
Those days that you are referring to are long gone with the wind?...the Saudis had to call French commandos to liberate the Kaaba when a group of fanatics seized it in 1979?the Saudis had to call the U.S and UK for help when Sadam seized Kuwait and threatned them.
This is the reality today.Theek hay; acha hay; laikan pehley "Allah" phir Pakistan.
Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Allah is the first and the last, its nonsense to compare it with Pakistan?
The name of Allah and our Belief is not for showoff purpose?.it is for practicing??..you can utter the name of almighty a million time a day but unless you reflect that in your attitude and conduct its nothing but trying to fool others and make a mockery of his name.
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Peace Bro agentxxx
Well said... please stop wasting your time with him (raj-ah)...
I was unaware AB (Ahmed) had a "hall of shame" on his web-site, I visited it once and was surprised at how little he attracted in his forum, and now that you let me know, will never visit it again.
It is really shameful to do such a thing, and I have but contempt with people who thrive on confrontation!
Talk about having the Prophet's character! o -
peace bro Nabster,
Thank you for your comments, You are right, I think enough has been posted and now we have also drifted away from the main topic.
so it's the end from me.Rajah sahib a last message for you http//i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/nabpeace/new%20good%20gif/lizard.gif D
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God bless you.
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sis sami this is for you
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Thanks a lot
Isn't she an angel -*Rajah sahib a last message for you http//i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/nabpeace/new%20good%20gif/lizard.gif D
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Good your avatar is changed
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Agentxxx
Thank you for your comments, You are right, I think enough has been posted and now we have also drifted away from the main topic.
so it's the end from me.I think this was best time for you to pack up, dear Agentxxx, as you have nothing to add up to the the topic, OK let us conclude then the thread
The thread was titled "Who built the Kaaba that is in Mecca"? Surely the one who posted the question did not knew the answer that was why he posted the question!
We never came to knew what actually his stance was regarding the matter, all he could do was post the links to the articles of ayman?
The only reason I got engaged in this thread with Agent xxx or tried to got engaged with Tanveer (which he did not responded for) was to viewrs got know the other side of the story.
In my next post I will try to post conclusion of discussion from my side.
We will just stick to the question asked? Who built the Kaaba that is in Mecca?
To answer this question first of all we have to be sure is KAABa the house of ALLAh located in Mecca? Is this KAABa which Allah has ordained us to visit?
Once the location of the KAABA is determined, next we are sure that WHo built it! becuase Quran tells us that Abraham and Ismail built it? therefore the Question becomes know
Where is the House of Allah located?
According to some ANYWHERE? and this is just stupid as we will prove it from Quran!
According to some Jerusalem?For locating HOUSE OF ALLAH we will use Quranic and Historical data available.
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First we will take the claim of those who say House of Allah can be anywhere!
Our Lord! Lo! I have settled some of my posterity in an uncultivable valley near unto Thy holy House, our Lord! that they may establish proper worship; so incline some hearts of men that they may yearn toward them, and provide Thou them with fruits in order that they may be thankful.
This verse clearly tells us settling of Ismail in an Uncultivable Land near Allah's house, and offcourse that cannot be JUST ANY WHERE.
The lie has been exposed. If it could have just been ANYWHERE, then why the people from furthest locations have to travel to a particular place.
as Quran tells usThe first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings In it are signs manifest; (for example) the Station of Abraham; whoever enters it attains security; pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to Allah those who can afford the journey; but if any deny faith Allah stands not in need of any of his creatures. (The Noble Quran, 396-97)"
So if you say that Allah's House is not in particular place and Just ANYWHERE then listen what Allah has to say
but if any deny faith Allah stands not in need of any of his creatures.....So House of Allah being AnyWHere is just a stupid thought, and bringing in the argument that how can ALLAH befit in a small house is hieght of stupidity and lackness of positive thought; who told them that ALLAH resides in that particular house, that is the place of worship for MANKIND for different reasons.
Allah Ho AKbar.
Next; let us see the claim of those who say that "House of Allah" is located in Jerusalem and not in Mecca.
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I think this thread is going to start all over again like a broken record!!
Salaam Rajah
The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings In it are signs manifest; (for example) the Station of Abraham; whoever enters it attains security; pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to Allah those who can afford the journey; but if any deny faith Allah stands not in need of any of his creatures. (The Noble Quran, 396-97)"
Next; let us see the claim of those who say that "House of Allah" is located in Jerusalem and not in Mecca.
I suggest that the "Next" should be to show that Bacca is Mecca. If this is proven, then the location of the house in Jerusalem will automatically be refuted.
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Now; when it has been established from the previous post from Quranic evidence that House of Allah just can't be Anywhere.
Then where it is?
Jerusalem or Mecca?Let us also consider the article of layth on the issue as most of the food for opponent's argument is based on this article
?And call out to mankind with the Pilgrimage, they will come to you walking and on every transport, they will come from every deep enclosure.? (Quran 2227)
Layth
The single most overlooked clue regarding Pilgrimage is regarding the ?audience?. Abraham is calling out to ?mankind? and not to the ?believers or Muslims?. This information poses a serious problem to the belief that Pilgrimage is a set of rituals as non-believers would not be able to identify with any of these rituals and would thus not carry them out
Abraham is calling out to "mankind" correct; But unless you donot believe in the teachings of Abraham and Quran which tells us about Abraham's teachings what will he do at the House of Allah??
I mean to say if an "Athiest" reads or hears the call of Abraham will he visit House of Allah with the purpose Allah wants him to visit?, No! because he is Jsut a "MAnkind" and doesnot know what Abraham is talking about? Once he recognizes the teaching of Abraham and believes in them he becomes a "MUslim" and each and every "Muslim" visits the Kaaba that is in Mecca without any boundage.Al-Quran
And strive in the cause of God its truly deserved striving. He is the One who has chosen you, and He has made no hardship for you in the system, the creed of your father Abraham; He is the One who named you 'Muslims' from before as well as in this. So let the messenger be witness over you and you be witness over mankind. So hold the assembly and contribute towards betterment and hold tight to God, He is your patron. What an excellent Patron, and what an excellent Supporter.Allah Ho Akbar
Layth writes again
Here are the three reasons people would gather
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To be made aware of the system established by God for the people.
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To witness benefits for themselves.
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To recall God?s name over the animal livestock.
Quran tells us according to LAyth's translation
?The first Sanctuary established for the people is the one in Bakk?a, blessed, and a guidance for the worlds. In it are clear signs the situation of Abraham. And whoever enters it will be secure. And God is owed from mankind to make Pilgrimage to the sanctuary, whoever can make a path to it. And whoever rejects, then God has no need of the worlds.? (Quran 396-97)
?So that they may witness benefits for themselves and recall God?s name in the appointed days over what He has provided for them of the animal livestock. So eat from it and feed the needy and the poor. Then let them complete their duties and fulfill their vows, and let them partake at the ancient sanctuary.? (Quran 2228-29)
But who will be these people? common sense tells us those; who will believe that there is a benefit in doing this all (pleasing God/Allah) and they according to Quran as I have mentioned above according to Quran are "Muslims"
Why would some one who thinks that Quran is not the final testament and a fabricated story (JEWS & CHRISTIANS) palagrized from Torah and New testament will ever try to these three obligations you just mentioned? and travel by paying Physically and Financially.
What are the duties? mentioned in above Ayat and the Vows which we have to fullfill? why will the non believers of Quran follow the instructions of Quran, so to follow the instructions of Quran One has to be a MUSLIM first, and you trying to misguide the younger generation of ISlam in the name of Quran alone has failed in his mission.Allah Ho Akbar.
Layth writes again
The Quran identifies the first place for the Pilgrimage as ?Bakk?a?. Now, while Mecca and Bakk?a may rhyme, they are clearly not the same name. Many Muslims have claimed that Mecca used to be known as Bakk?a, but that its name was later changed. Now, this presents a problem to any student of the Scripture as no verification is able to be made that this was indeed the case of a ?name change?. Looking at ancient maps from the time of the Prophet (from Roman times or otherwise) there is no indication that what is today called ?Mecca? has ever carried the name ?Bakk?a?.
I will not engage in long debate again, as I have posted enough work by different scholars who think they are the same and all the Physical and Quranic evidences lead towards their being same
It is very simple LAyth or any if you think that Bakkah is not an ancient name of BAKKAH
Encyclopedia Britanica is one prestigious organization who only enters any entry or article on its pages which are Scholary and have enough evidences
let us see what does it has to sayArabic Makkah, ancient Bakkah or Macoraba city, western Saudi Arabia, located in the Sirat Mountains, inland from the Red Sea coast. It is the holiest of Muslim cities
Now if you think you have enough contra evidence for this and think MAkkah and Bakkah are two seperate places, it is easy; forward it to diffrent WOrld wide bodies who keep the record and tell them to correct what they have, but how will this happen??
By the article of ayman? who even this sites says is controversial article.Allah Ho Akbar.
So until the entry in encyclopedia britanica or anyother respected and well known pedia is not changed, we are sure that Bakkah is Makkah.
Next in next post.
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Peace
The word Ka'abah is not mentioned in The Quran, only in the hadiths.
Therefore, Allah has not validated or asked for that a structure called Ka'abah be constructed, as simple as that.
What is the use of a town then that will house a structure that was not meant to exist.
Now if we are talking about a Temple / Mosque, that is something else...
End of Argument...
