Breaking News: The Nasa Tribe's traditional justice system mimics Islamic Laws!
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Hmm ... I am not a lawyer! But whatever Allah says ... goes. He knows while we do not know.
All ancient societies had similar laws, we Muslims just made it part of our religion when they are historic by nature.
831 Waitha tutla AAalayhim ayatuna qaloo qad samiAAna law nashao laqulna mithla hatha in hatha illa asateeru alawwaleena
831 When Our Signs are rehearsed to them, they say "We have heard this (before) if we wished, we could say (words) like these these are nothing but tales of the ancients."1624 Waitha qeela lahum matha anzala rabbukum qaloo asateeru alawwaleena
1624 When it is said to them, "What is it that your Lord has revealed?" they say, "Tales of the ancients!"255 Waqaloo asateeru alawwaleena iktatabaha fahiya tumla AAalayhi bukratan waaseelan
255 And they say "Tales of the ancients, which he has caused to be written and they are dictated before him morning and evening."6815 Itha tutla AAalayhi ayatuna qala asateeru alawwaleena
6815 When to him are rehearsed Our Signs, "Tales of the ancients", he cries! -
Hmm ... I am not a lawyer! But whatever Allah says ... goes. He knows while we do not know.
831 Waitha tutla AAalayhim ayatuna qaloo qad samiAAna law nashao laqulna mithla hatha in hatha illa asateeru alawwaleena
831 When Our Signs are rehearsed to them, they say "We have heard this (before) if we wished, we could say (words) like these these are nothing but tales of the ancients."1624 Waitha qeela lahum matha anzala rabbukum qaloo asateeru alawwaleena
1624 When it is said to them, "What is it that your Lord has revealed?" they say, "Tales of the ancients!"255 Waqaloo asateeru alawwaleena iktatabaha fahiya tumla AAalayhi bukratan waaseelan
255 And they say "Tales of the ancients, which he has caused to be written and they are dictated before him morning and evening."6815 Itha tutla AAalayhi ayatuna qala asateeru alawwaleena
6815 When to him are rehearsed Our Signs, "Tales of the ancients", he cries!These verses are about religion, God and judgement day and heaven and hell. More precisely resurection.
The Quran changed some laws in the Quran like halal meat and marriage and even changed Qibla. But it says God has completed our DEEN. So the Deen has been completed for Muslims however you are speaking about community laws. This is actually what lead to the collection of hadiths since the Quran does not lay out a specific political and legal framework and thus not point to specific issues. So Sunni Islam tried to collect as much detail from hadiths to be able to get the details and facts necessary to create an Islamic state mimicking the prophet and the 4 Caliphs rule.
With the rise of the
Abbasids the situation changed significantly, according to Goldziher.Abbasid rule was more theocratic than the more secular "Arab paganism" of the Umayyads. Consequently, the new dynasty encouraged the development of the sharia and even employed court theologians to advise the caliphs, some of whom themselves studied and participated in theological debates. This attempt to give public life a more religious character also involved giving official recognition to the sunna. The rise of the sunna had begun during the Umayyad period in part in opposition to the perceived wickedness of the time, but its supporters remained relatively ineffective until the advent of theAbbasid revolution. The report that the Umayyad caliph `Umar II commissioned the first collection of hadiths must be dismissed as untrustworthy because of the number of contradictions in the account and the absence of references to Abu Bakr ibn Hazm?s work in later literature. For Goldziher, this claim is hagiographic, that is, "nothing but an expression of the good opinion that people had of the pious caliph and his love for the sunna."Goldziher maintains that, while reliance on the sunna to regulate the empire was favoured, there was still in these early years of Islam insufficient material going back to Muhammad himself. Scholars sought to fill the gaps left by the Qur'an and the sunna with material from other sources. Some borrowed from Roman law. Others attempted to fill these lacunae with their own opinions (ra'y). This latter option came under a concerted attack by those who believed that all legal and ethical questions (not addressed by the Qur'an) must be referred back to the Prophet himself, that is, must be rooted in hadiths. These supporters of hadiths (ahl al-hadith) were extremely successful in establishing hadiths as a primary source of law and in discrediting ra'y. But in many ways it was a Pyrrhic victory. The various legal madhhabs were loath to sacrifice their doctrines and so they found it more expedient to fabricate hadiths or adapt existing hadiths in their support. Even the advocates of ra'y were eventually persuaded or cajoled into accepting the authority of hadiths and so they too "found" hadiths which substantiated their doctrines that had hitherto been based upon the opinions of their schools? founders and teachers. The insistence of the advocates of hadiths that the only opinions of any value were those which could appeal to the authority of the Prophet resulted in the situation that "where no traditional matter was to be had, men speedily began to fabricate it. The greater the demand, the busier was invention with the manufacture of apocryphal traditions in support of the respective theses." The talab journeys which followed, during which the travellers sought to collect hadiths from the various centres of the Islamic empire, helped construct a more uniform corpus of extant hadiths out of the various disparate local collections.
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Salam,
That sounds like a very sad situation. They wanted to fill the gaps in the Quran to make laws? so the Quran is not complete or perfect?
They made up their own laws and fabricated Hadith! is there any verse that tells us that it's ok to make up our own laws?
It is precisely the knowledge that people made up (beyond God's words) that made sects and lots of problems. Is there any reason why we shouldn't just stick to exactly what the Quran says?
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Salam.
"These are God's revelations that We recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than God and His revelations do they believe?" 456
"Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?" 6114
"The word of your Lord is complete in truth and justice" 6115
"A.L.R. This is a book whose verses have been perfected" 111
I believe that these verses alone speak volumes and they are enough for a believer who uses his brains on daily basis. We all have brains and we all use them. Thank God.
May The Exalted God AllMighty, AllPowerful, The Most Merciful, The Most Powerful, The Most Just, The Most High, The Most Wise, The All Knowing Creator, The Lord of the universe and all the worlds, protects us from all evil and especially the devil, gives us the best health, installs peace in our bodies and hearts, gives us lots of patience and guides us on the Straight Path to Paradise.
May The God Almighty forgives us all our sins and guide us on the Right Path to Heaven.
Peace.
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I believe that these verses alone speak volumes and they are enough for a believer who uses his brains on daily basis. We all have brains and we all use them. Thank God.
Agreed bro Alen handshake
bravo
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Has anybody in their excitement asked if these laws are actually workable,just and logical? Some of the talibans laws were similar to the literal quran as well.....
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Has anybody in their excitement asked if these laws are actually workable,just and logical? Some of the talibans laws were similar to the literal quran as well.....
You mean their punishment, not their laws. When the punishment is removed from the devine law and applied to a hadith/islamic law, it is no more qur'aanic.
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But the taliban would say they are following the quran would they not? Those applying dictionaries/ opinions to intepret the quran are little different in method to those who apply hadith to the quran.....
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Of course they claimed to be following the quran,every religious sunni does.....
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Of course they claimed to be following the quran,every religious sunni does.....
Actions > Words.
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I do not understand what you mean ???
I meant capital punishment and lashing are used but not for cases mentioned in the qur'aan. Capital punishment is restricted to "corruption in the earth fasaad fil arDh", but is used for apostasy, fornication, ...etc; and lashing "restricted in the qur'aan for public fornication and spreading false rumors" is applied for not wearing the veil, wearing jeans ;D, not joining in for prayers and many other trivial things
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I meant capital punishment and lashing are used but not for cases mentioned in the qur'aan. Capital punishment is restricted to "corruption in the earth fasaad fil arDh", but is used for apostasy, fornication, ...etc; and lashing "restricted in the qur'aan for public fornication and spreading false rumors" is applied for not wearing the veil, wearing jeans ;D, not joining in for prayers and many other trivial things
We are talking about paying Jizya, polygamy, inheritance, women's testimony, cutting hand of thief, etc.