Strip clubs?!
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AOA guys
OK to cut this short ... Just came bk from a proper lad's holiday in prague!
Went to strip clubs etc but didnt get a blow-job or anything of that sort but got a private dance done in which she was fully naked ... I know I did wrong but these days, you have to get smth done to prove to ur friends that ur not that gay which is really sad!
I want to ask for forgiveness from God but a private dance show cannot be categorised as sex, right?
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Lol, what a holiday bro.
Anyway, all I could say is this is none of our business. Your affair is purely only between you and God. Even if any of us say something is ok or not we actually dont know for sure.
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Peace to all,
Jankren, why do you always play the devils advocate, it is our business because he made it ours, he posted his story and asked us what we thought about it being a sin or not, some of us answered as honestly as we could, it will be up to him what he does with eother his own conscience or our advice, i feel it is my duty to tell him i think its wronf becuase i think it is, and he asked, arent we kind of told in the Quran to do such things,, do you think that if someone in the past has done something that may be a sin went up to one of the prophets such as jesus or Mohamad and asked,, "dear prophet, i think i have done something wrong, i may have sinned, can you tell me what you think of this and give me advice" would they respond " hey, thats really none of my business , do what you want bro and you will get your answer someday from God"
He asked and I say its wrong, ive done it before also and I knew it was wrong, i have asked for forgiveness many times, I would like to try to help a fellow believer to avoid such things,,, whats wrong with that Jankren.
Kurt
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AOA guys
OK to cut this short ... Just came bk from a proper lad's holiday in prague!
Went to strip clubs etc but didnt get a blow-job or anything of that sort but got a private dance done in which she was fully naked ... I know I did wrong but these days, you have to get smth done to prove to ur friends that ur not that gay which is really sad!
I want to ask for forgiveness from God but a private dance show cannot be categorised as sex, right?
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From my understanding, I can't see it being categorized as sex and I don't think it's a major sin. The Quran reminds us to "lower our gaze". You've broken this commandment and thats all, but to call it a major sin like Yusha says, well that is clearly going over the top. Ultimately it is God who decides. From my perspective, I think major sins have been clearly outlined and are loud and clear in the Quran, it usually starts of with "forbidden to ye ..." . It includes things such as murder. Fully naked girl rubbing herself all over you, I can't see that being on par with Murder. Anyways, it's not for anyone to decide, even for Sheik Yusha and his distasteful words. God is Merciful, as long as your repentant, insyallah, it won't be a biggie and that the doors of heaven with all it's bounty would still be there for you. Insyallah-god willing.
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Salam.
Strip clubs are sinful places, we should avoid them but if we decide to go there, we should go there with only one purpose to help those women get back on the track, ofer them a better life, help them find a better job and if that means i have to sleep on the floor tonight so that some stripper sleeps on my bed, then i will do that, i will stay hungry just so that she doesn't work there.
I would do anything to close strip clubs, to help those women, which is why i'm in the movie industry - money is the factor which does that anything - it opens doors to some people.
God knows best.
Peace.
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Peace alen, ammar all
nice post above but i guess you might get into big trouble with the ladies pimps...
This is also the bigger picture i'd like to bring over to ammar.
Besides the fact that you might have done something morally wrong as far as the rules of modesty are concerned, i'd like you to think about why these women are there. In many cases they are victims of organized crime and you're being there makes it live...this might sound far fetched, as we all do things in our lives that contribute to the world not getting any better - and be it only not sorting the waste...
imo guys that use prostitutes are worse than the prostitutes in most cases. the prostitute being oppressed (usuually) the pimp as well as the "user" are the oppressors, and oppression is worse than murder
what you do between consenting adults is something between you and god and living in a glass house myself, i sure wont throw the stone but
Al-A'raf - 7.33 . Say My Lord forbiddeth only indecencies , such of them as are apparent and such as are within , and sin and wrongful oppression , and that ye associate with Allah that for which no warrant hath been revealed , and that ye tell concerning Allah that which ye know not .
Al-Qasas - 28.83 . As for that Abode of the Hereafter We assign it unto those who seek not oppression in the earth , nor yet corruption . The sequel is for those who ward off ( evil ) .
lk
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Salam.
Strip clubs are sinful places, we should avoid them but if we decide to go there, we should go there with only one purpose to help those women get back on the track, ofer them a better life, help them find a better job and if that means i have to sleep on the floor tonight so that some stripper sleeps on my bed, then i will do that, i will stay hungry just so that she doesn't work there.
I would do anything to close strip clubs, to help those women, which is why i'm in the movie industry - money is the factor which does that anything - it opens doors to some people.
God knows best.
Peace.
These women, most of them anyway generally have suffered some form of sexual abuse as children. I think some 90% (?) of sex workers suffered rape, incest, etc during their childhood.
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Peace all,
I do not encourage young people to go to strip clubs but come on guys no one is perfect, in his age it?s hard to resist the temptations and once in a while you do give in.
My advice to the young man is that ?don?t make it a habit or an obsession? because that will become your idol then.
The positive sign is that the young man is not proud of this visit and feels that he has done something morally wrong and prays for forgiveness from the lord.
Allah desires that He should make light your burdens, and man is created weak. 428
Say "O my Servants who have transgressed against their souls! DESPAIR NOT OF THE MERCY OF ALLAH FOR ALLAH FORGIVES ALL SINS for HE IS OFT-FORGIVING, MOST MERCIFUL. 3953.
LK
This is also the bigger picture i'd like to bring over to ammar.
Besides the fact that you might have done something morally wrong as far as the rules of modesty are concerned, i'd like you to think about why these women are there. In many cases they are victims of organized crime and you're being there makes it live...this might sound far fetched, as we all do things in our lives that contribute to the world not getting any better - and be it only not sorting the waste...
imo guys that use prostitutes are worse than the prostitutes in most cases. the prostitute being oppressed (usuually) the pimp as well as the "user" are the oppressors, and oppression is worse than murder
Einige sehr gute Punkte LK bravo
peace
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I do not encourage young people to go to strip clubs but come on guys no one is perfect, in his age it?s hard to resist the temptations and once in a while you do give in.
This is true. Please, I request to everyone who passes judgement... remember what it is like... none of us are perfect. It is better to advise ammar to try his best (with God's help) to do better in the future. After all, we can't do anything in this world with out the help of God.
The positive sign is that the young man is not proud of this visit and feels that he has done something morally wrong and prays for forgiveness from the lord.
Ditto.
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Well I do know that strip clubs are wrong and will never support them but when ur with friends then its a bit hard ... My friends are good! No one really forced me to get a dance and no one can ever force me! ...
The thing is that during the dance, we did some sex positions and she was sitting on me but obviously my trousers were zipped up etc ... OH GOD I know i did wrong and ill never get a dance again .. never ever again!
I think Allah will understand cus its a natural temptation but believe me, I will never have sex before marriage and thats my stern principle!
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Well I do know that strip clubs are wrong and will never support them but when ur with friends then its a bit hard ... My friends are good! No one really forced me to get a dance and no one can ever force me! ...
The thing is that during the dance, we did some sex positions and she was sitting on me but obviously my trousers were zipped up etc ... OH GOD I know i did wrong and ill never get a dance again .. never ever again!
I think Allah will understand cus its a natural temptation but believe me, I will never have sex before marriage and thats my stern principle!
Peace,
You are on the right track here with your feelings. I never saw that blame should be put on your friends ammar. After all, we are ultimately responsible for ourselves. YOU made the choice, no one else. Now YOU are making the choice to never do it again, with the help of God.
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Well I do know that strip clubs are wrong and will never support them but when ur with friends then its a bit hard ... My friends are good! No one really forced me to get a dance and no one can ever force me! ...
The thing is that during the dance, we did some sex positions and she was sitting on me but obviously my trousers were zipped up etc ... OH GOD I know i did wrong and ill never get a dance again .. never ever again!
I think Allah will understand cus its a natural temptation but believe me, I will never have sex before marriage and thats my stern principle!
You are correct in every regard, but friends influence each other, and that's what I meant by forcing. Maybe you should influence them, towards good, bring them onto this site, no?
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Salam,
Elke posted some good verses there.
Ammarb, nothing is more 'cool' than a person with strong intergrity! I know sometimes we just dont wanna hurt others' feelings but we ourselves are individuals too and we have to respect our own wishes and values... Be strong, friend!
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The thing is that during the dance, we did some sex positions and she was sitting on me but obviously my trousers were zipped up etc ...... OH GOD I know i did wrong and ill never get a dance again .. never ever again!
Ammar Ammar....please forgive me http//i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/nabpeace/people-more/peoples_223.gifand please come out of it young man.
peace
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Elke, OPF, I have to disagree.
Where do you folks get your statistics, most involve organized crime, 90% were sexually abused??
I know a few strippers, quite a few of them did it for the money, the one I'm closest with did it to pay for University tuition, not because she was forced into it by the mafia. She also came from a decent family. Let's face it, you can earn big money stripping for a week instead of waiting on tables at a restaurant. I believe this is the case for strippers in developed countries where this activity is legal and thus government regulated. And also OPF the girls I know who were sexually abused did not turn out to be strippers, the girls who were strippers weren't sexually abused. Where did you get the 90%?
The Czech Republic, where our friend got his lap dance is an EU member country. European Union laws applies on the rights of workers applies. I doubt they were forced into it by organized crime. Similarly, having live in another EU country, the Netherlands, where not only strip clubs are legal but also prostitution, i can attest that it is done out of will, the stripping and prostitution industry is also heavily regulated by the government and the sex workers are taxed!
Now, I'm living back in Malaysia, I can tell you that organized crime here is heavily involved in the sex industry, smuggling in girls from poorer neighboring countries. This is a country that bans brothels, prostitution and strip clubs. This is usually the case, when you ban and make something illegal, Organized crime fills in the void in the market, it becomes an underground industry. You had the same situation in the US when they banned alcohol during the prohibition years. I'm for legalization of brothels, prostitution and strip clubs. At least with this, the government can regulate the industry thus make it safer simply by having it out in the open. Even though morally and religiously it's wrong.
In the Netherlands, there's a lot of health and safety government regulations on sex workers, even down to sordid things like "shaving sex", which until today I have no idea what that it, neither did the sex worker.
Wer sind die Deutschen auf diesem Forum?
Ich spreche deutsch, aber ich beginne zu vergessen, niemand in meinem Land spreche es. Trotzdem mein bester Freund ist ein berliner, mein "ex girlfriend" ist ein ?sterreicher, so ?be ich manchmal mit ihnen. But damn do you guys have a difficult language.
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Rumi, I specifically put a question mark after 90% because I wasn't sure of the exact figure.
http//www.icasa.org/uploads/adult_survivors_of_incest.pdf
66%.
I think this statistic originated from the netherlands. Sex workers is a broad term however, I don't think most strippers are being forced at all.
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Peace rumi, don't look at me like that LOL
what statistics ?
I said many and usually, don't think i even said most....
anyway, if they are not forced into it by criminal organization, most are by drugs (criminal organization not far...) and the men using them are still profiting.
About organized crime yes i believe that in bigger cities these places are organized. Now i do not have any figures to rely on, but i know about the Russian connection in Nice for example
ok, some or many of these girls might know what they get into, but even then, they should be able to get out and i don't think they can.
also i don't think that legalizing brothels prostitution aso will lead to a better organisation by the state of these activities, there would still be a lot of "underground" like girls with an official contract but how did one get them to sign it...
i know that not all are victims, some just don't care and see it as an easy way to make a living. (can it be easy ? ???)
peace
lk