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At the end of the list comprising 18 prophets, is the verse which says
6-89 "These are the ones to whom we have given the Scripture wisdom and prophethood",,
That means all the prophets have been mentioned in Quran by name, where as about messengers God precisely says,
4078 "We have sent messengers before you, some of them we mentioned to you, and some We did not mention to you." (also 4164)
Messengers are much more than the prophets and all are not listed in Quran , where as God does not make the above statement regarding prophets.
siki
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1- Idris (Enoch)
And mention in the Book (the Qur?an) Idris (Enoch).Verily! He was a man of truth, (and) a Prophet.1956
2- Nuh (Noah)
And certainly We sent Nuh and Ibrahim and We gave to their offspring the (gift of) prophecy and the Book; so there are among them those who go aright, and most of them are transgressors.5726
And (remember) when We took from the Prophets their covenant, and from you (O Muhammad SAW), and from Nuh (Noah), Ibrahim (Abraham), Musa (Moses), and ?Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary). We took from them a strong covenant.337
3- Hud (Eber)
When their brother Hud said to them ?Will you not fear Allah and obey Him?
?Verily! I am a trustworthy Messenger to you.26124-125
4- Saleh (Shaloh)
When their brother Salih (Saleh) said to them ?Will you not fear Allah and obey Him?
?I am a trustworthy Messenger to you.26142-143
5- Ibrahim (Abraham)
And certainly We sent Nuh and Ibrahim and We gave to their offspring the (gift of) prophecy and the Book; so there are among them those who go aright, and most of them are transgressors.5726
And mention in the Book (the Qur?an) Ibrahim (Abraham). Verily! He was a man of truth, a Prophet.1941
6- Isma?il (Ishmael)
And mention in the Book (the Qur?an) Isma?il (Ishmael). Verily! He was true to what he promised, and he was a Messenger, (and) a Prophet.1954
7- Ishaq (Isaac)
So when he had turned away from them and from those whom they worshipped besides Allah, We gave him Ishaque (Isaac) and Ya?qub (Jacob), and each one of them We made a Prophet.1949
8- Lut (Lot)
When their brother Lout (Lot) said to them ?Will you not fear Allah and obey Him?
?Verily! I am a trustworthy Messenger to you.26161-162
9- Ya?qub (Jacob)
So when he had turned away from them and from those whom they worshipped besides Allah, We gave him Ishaque (Isaac) and Ya?qub (Jacob), and each one of them We made a Prophet.1949
10- Yousef (Joseph)
And indeed Yusuf (Joseph) did come to you, in times gone by, with clear signs, but you ceased not to doubt in that which he did bring to you, till when he died you said ?No Messenger will Allah send after him.? Thus Allah leaves astray him who is a Musrif (a polytheist, oppressor, a criminal, sinner who commit great sins) and a Murtab (one who doubts Allah?s Warning and His Oneness).4034
And the king said ?Bring him to me.? But when the messenger came to him, said ?Return to your lord and ask him, ?What happened to the women who cut their hands? Surely, my Lord (Allah) is Well-Aware of their plot.??
(The King) said (to the women) ?What was your affair when you did seek to seduce Yusuf (Joseph)?? The women said ?Allah forbid! No evil know we against him!? The wife of Al-?Aziz said ?Now the truth is manifest (to all), it was I who sought to seduce him, and he is surely of the truthful.? 1250-51
11- Shu?aib (Jethro)
When Shu?aib (Shuaib) said to them ?Will you not fear Allah (and obey Him)?
?I am a trustworthy Messenger to you.26177-178
12- Musa (Moses)
And mention in the Book (this Qur?an) Musa (Moses). Verily! He was chosen and he was a Messenger (and) a Prophet.1951
13- Harun (Aaron)
And We bestowed on him his brother Harun (Aaron), (also) a Prophet, out of Our Mercy.1953
14- Dawud (David)
And thy Lord knows very well whoso is in the heavens and the earth; and We have exalted some Prophets over others, and We gave to David Psalms.1755
15- Ilias (Elias)
And verily, Iliyas (Elias) was one of the Messengers.37123
16- Yunus (Jonah)
And Yunus was most surely of the messengers.37139
17- Yahya (John)
Then the angels called to him as he stood praying in the sanctuary That Allah gives you the good news of Yahya verifying a Word from Allah, and honorable and chaste and a prophet from among the good ones.339
18- ?Isa (Jesus)
The Messiah, son of Marium is but a messenger; messengers before him have indeed passed away; and his mother was a truthful woman; they both used to eat food. See how We make the communications clear to them, then behold, how they are turned away.575
And (remember) when We took from the Prophets their covenant, and from you (O Muhammad SAW), and from Nuh (Noah), Ibrahim (Abraham), Musa (Moses), and ?Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary). We took from them a strong covenant.337
19- Muhammad
Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the Last of the prophets; and Allah is cognizant of all things.3340
My question is
Are all the 18 names given in 682-90 prophets ? ( َ
since i cant find any other mentioning concerning
1-Adam (not included in 682-90)
2-Job
3-Zachariah
4-Solomon
5-Elisha
6-Ezekiel (not included in 682-90)as prophets nor messengers.
if not then
Prophets defined exclusively by name- Idris (Enoch)
- Nuh (Noah)
- Ibrahim (Abraham)
- Isma?il (Ishmael)
- Ishaq (Isaac)
- Ya?qub (Jacob)
- Musa (Moses)
- Harun (Aaron)
- Dawud (David)
- Yahya (John)
- ?Isa (Jesus)
- Muhammad
Messengers defined exclusively by name
- Nuh (Noah)
- Hud (Eber)
- Saleh (Shaloh)
- Ibrahim (Abraham)
- Isma?il (Ishmael)
- Lut (Lot)
- Yousef (Joseph)
- Shu?aib (Jethro)
- Musa (Moses)
- Ilias (Elias)
- Yunus (Jonah)
- ?Isa (Jesus)
- Muhammad
Messenger prophets defined exclusively by name
- Nuh (Noah)
- Ibrahim (Abraham)
- Isma?il (Ishmael)
- Musa (Moses)
- ?Isa (Jesus)
- Muhammad
12+13-6=19
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Peace to all,
so were back to the number 19 again, is this just a coincidence?
Kurt
i think it is just a coincidence.
because we cannot count them as 19 (messengers and prophets) since we are told that
some of them (messengers) We have mentioned to thee, and some of them We have not mentioned to thee,4078 -
i think it is just a coincidence.
because we cannot count them as 19 (messengers and prophets) since we are told that
some of them (messengers) We have mentioned to thee, and some of them We have not mentioned to thee,4078I think he meant 19 books not messengers/prophets. That's what I understood anyway.
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A prophet is also a messenger , but every messenger is not a prophet, the prophets are a subset of messengers.
siki
Are you sure ?
Do you have a proof ?
How can prove that any of the following -
- Idris (Enoch)
- Ishaq (Isaac)
- Ya?qub (Jacob)
- Harun (Aaron)
- Dawud (David)
- Yahya (John)
is a messenger ?
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I think he meant 19 books not messengers/prophets. That's what I understood anyway.
according to my search study for the word "al-kitab" http//www.openburhan.com/pages/obdc2a.html
I think its just one book , but it was built up starting from Abraham (451) (454) such as salat , zakat and fasting "maktobat"
and moses was given the book fully (6154)
Jesus was given and taught the book at a young age (1930) (5110)
and finally Mohammed was given the true "kitab" free from all the adding "yaktobon" in 279what do you think ?
please explain what is meant by 19 books
thank you
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Bashar, (human), Messenger, prophet,
A prophet is a messenger, and a "bashar", but every "Bashar" is not a messenger, or a prophet,
so, is not every messenger a prophet,
"we can call a prophet , "a messenger, or a bashar", depending upon the situation, or the context of the sentence",
But we can not call every bashar a messenger or a prophet,
I hope that this helps.
siki
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bravo
then what about
1-Adam
2-Job
3-Zachariah
4-Solomon
5-Elisha
6-Ezekiel -
according to my search study for the word "al-kitab" http//www.openburhan.com/pages/obdc2a.html
I think its just one book , but it was built up starting from Abraham (451) (454) such as salat , zakat and fasting "maktobat"
and moses was given the book fully (6154)
Jesus was given and taught the book at a young age (1930) (5110)
and finally Mohammed was given the true "kitab" free from all the adding "yaktobon" in 279what do you think ?
please explain what is meant by 19 books
thank you
Different stages of the same book? Or as siki puts it, editions?
Musa was given the main elements of the book (the ten commandments) and Muhammad was given the final refined book, including all the previous 18 stages of the building up of the book.
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bravo
you both have a point
thank you