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siki

A prophet is also a messenger , but every messenger is not a prophet, the prophets are a subset of messengers.

siki

stefan_rosty

Peace to all,

so were back to the number 19 again, is this just a coincidence?

Kurt

i think it is just a coincidence.

because we cannot count them as 19 (messengers and prophets) since we are told that
some of them (messengers) We have mentioned to thee, and some of them We have not mentioned to thee,4078

Samia

i think it is just a coincidence.

because we cannot count them as 19 (messengers and prophets) since we are told that
some of them (messengers) We have mentioned to thee, and some of them We have not mentioned to thee,4078

I think he meant 19 books not messengers/prophets. That's what I understood anyway.

stefan_rosty

A prophet is also a messenger , but every messenger is not a prophet, the prophets are a subset of messengers.

siki

Are you sure ?

Do you have a proof ?

How can prove that any of the following -

Idris (Enoch)
Ishaq (Isaac)
Ya?qub (Jacob)
Harun (Aaron)
Dawud (David)
Yahya (John)

is a messenger ?

stefan_rosty

I think he meant 19 books not messengers/prophets. That's what I understood anyway.

according to my search study for the word "al-kitab" http//www.openburhan.com/pages/obdc2a.html

I think its just one book , but it was built up starting from Abraham (451) (454) such as salat , zakat and fasting "maktobat"
and moses was given the book fully (6154)
Jesus was given and taught the book at a young age (1930) (5110)
and finally Mohammed was given the true "kitab" free from all the adding "yaktobon" in 279

what do you think ?

please explain what is meant by 19 books

thank you

siki

Ok you may call 19 editions of Al kitab,

siki

Bashar, (human), Messenger, prophet,

A prophet is a messenger, and a "bashar", but every "Bashar" is not a messenger, or a prophet,

so, is not every messenger a prophet,

"we can call a prophet , "a messenger, or a bashar", depending upon the situation, or the context of the sentence",

But we can not call every bashar a messenger or a prophet,

I hope that this helps.

siki

stefan_rosty

bravo

then what about

1-Adam
2-Job
3-Zachariah
4-Solomon
5-Elisha
6-Ezekiel

Samia

according to my search study for the word "al-kitab" http//www.openburhan.com/pages/obdc2a.html

I think its just one book , but it was built up starting from Abraham (451) (454) such as salat , zakat and fasting "maktobat"
and moses was given the book fully (6154)
Jesus was given and taught the book at a young age (1930) (5110)
and finally Mohammed was given the true "kitab" free from all the adding "yaktobon" in 279

what do you think ?

please explain what is meant by 19 books

thank you

Different stages of the same book? Or as siki puts it, editions?

Musa was given the main elements of the book (the ten commandments) and Muhammad was given the final refined book, including all the previous 18 stages of the building up of the book.

stefan_rosty

bravo

you both have a point

thank you