Got som important Questions about Adultery?
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Engaging in zina rotfl P
That's all? Then ALL women are chaste until seen by 4 people at least...
Yeah exactly but she can repent and become chaste. God is merciful!!!!
...then she returns to the pool. Not really a classification that calls for a special way of dealing with a category of women. I mean in the verse 244 it suffies to say "Those who accuse women and do not bring 4 witnesses...", because even the zaania is included in these women UNTIL 4 witnesses are presented.
In short, "mu7sanaat" meaning "chaste" does not hold water in any verse.
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That's all? Then ALL women are chaste until seen by 4 people at least...
...then she returns to the pool. Not really a classification that calls for a special way of dealing with a category of women. I mean in the verse 244 it suffies to say "Those who accuse women and do not bring 4 witnesses...", because even the zaania is included in these women UNTIL 4 witnesses are presented.
In short, "mu7sanaat" meaning "chaste" does not hold water in any verse.
My dear sister samia ! May i have your permission to modify your above statement in red, and change it to ,, "A sweeping statement does not hold any water "
Do i dare ask your Majesty to kindly enlighten ! me/us with your version of Mohsinnats, in 24-4 ? eat eat
siki
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How many people committing adultery have 4 witnesses to it?!?!
Maybe its not about adultery but about slander. It could have been made to prevent slander and gossip and stop people who have seen the act to report the act. Since they have to bring 3 other witnesses or else they get smacked.
But what about pregnancy outside marriage?
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My dear sister samia ! May i have your permission to modify your above statement in red, and change it to ,, "A sweeping statement does not hold any water "
Do i dare ask your Majesty to kindly enlighten ! me/us with your version of Mohsinnats, in 24-4 ? eat eat
siki
We start by showing what a word is not.. and we leave the humble subjects to come up with a better understanding.
And who dared make the statement "sweeping" if we did not permit that? Throw them to the lions .. >D
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We start by showing what a word is not.. and we leave the humble subjects to come up with a better understanding.
And who dared make the statement "sweeping" if we did not permit that? Throw them to the lions .. >
Your wish is my command, Madam! hail
And the ones who accuse the Free women of adultery ,and then fail to produce 4 witnesses,,,, > ignore
And the one who accuse Married women of adultery, and then fail to produce 4 witness,,,
And the ones who accuse the protected women of adultery ,and then fail to produce 4 witnesses,,,, o yuck
And the ones who accuse the self protected women of adultery ,and then fail to produce 4 witnesses,,,, -[ ???
And the ones who accuse the engaged protected women of adultry ,and then fail to produce 4 witnesses,,,, P confused
And the ones who accuse the honorable women of adultry ,and then fail to produce 4 witnesses,,,, '( brickwall
And the ones who accuse the independent women of adultry ,and then fail to produce 4 witnesses,,,, hypno elektro
voodoo voodoo voodoo voodoo voodoo voodoo voodoo voodoo voodoo
Your Majestey ! pr Now, if you promise to spare my life, & by retracting your last command of "throwing me to the lions", i would humbly re-submit my original plea, for your kind reconsideration,once again please, hail please ?
And the ones who accuse the chaste women of adultery ,and then fail to produce 4 witnesses,,,,
bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo
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Your wish is my command, Madam! hail
And the ones who accuse the Free women of adultery ,and then fail to produce 4 witnesses,,,, >( ignore
And the one who accuse Married women of adultery, and then fail to produce 4 witness,,, (
And the ones who accuse the protected women of adultery ,and then fail to produce 4 witnesses,,,, yuck
And the ones who accuse the self protected women of adultery ,and then fail to produce 4 witnesses,,,, -[ ???
And the ones who accuse the engaged protected women of adultry ,and then fail to produce 4 witnesses,,,, confused
And the ones who accuse the honorable women of adultry ,and then fail to produce 4 witnesses,,,, '( brickwall
And the ones who accuse the independent women of adultry ,and then fail to produce 4 witnesses,,,, hypno elektro
voodoo voodoo voodoo voodoo voodoo voodoo voodoo voodoo voodoo
Your Majestey ! pr Now, if you promise to spare my life, & by retracting your last command of "throwing me to the lions", i would humbly re-submit my original plea, for your kind reconsideration,once again please, hail please ?
And the ones who accuse the chaste women of adultery ,and then fail to produce 4 witnesses,,,,
bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo
Don't clap yet...We did not give permission or approval.
Good start.
Now think (it feels good to give orders to think ;D) of who would not be affected / naturally protected if accused of fornication.. ;D..
those will be the opposite of mu7sanaat -
Maybe its not about adultery but about slander. It could have been made to prevent slander and gossip and stop people who have seen the act to report the act. Since they have to bring 3 other witnesses or else they get smacked.
But what about pregnancy outside marriage?
Maybe it's both? A lot of these punishments have more than one single effect. And I think pregnancy outside of marriage would be included, why not?. All you would need is 4 doctors as witnesses, with DNA evidence.
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Don't clap yet...We did not give permission or approval.
Good start.
Now think (it feels good to give orders to think ;D) of who would not be affected / naturally protected if accused of fornication.. ;D..
those will be the opposite of mu7sanaatWhat's your understanding of it?
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Maybe it's both? P A lot of these punishments have more than one single effect. And I think pregnancy outside of marriage would be included, why not?. All you would need is 4 doctors as witnesses, with DNA evidence.
I don't think pregnancy is to be considered as evidence, although it is evidence against fornication (do we have a punishment for that?) but not evidence for public sex. Moreover, public sex requires 4 witnesses, unlike any other matter that requires two or even one witness. Any hard evidence is counted at most as two witnesses (as in other cases requiring witnesses). It can't be accepyed in lieu of 4 witnesses. (this is my own fatwa jedi)
The anology is drawn with pregnancy withing the marriage but from other than the husband. If it took place after at least six months of marriage, it belongs to the hsband and no tests are admitted. This is for the protection of the child, not the mother.
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Don't clap yet...We did not give permission or approval.
Good start.
Now think (it feels good to give orders to think ;D) of who would not be affected / naturally protected if accused of fornication.. ;D..
those will be the opposite of mu7sanaatYour Majesty! pr
This being Ayman's invention, I had a plan to engage eat him on this, but you got yourself into it , yes ok, Never mind. jedi
To start with,
hail could you try and list your protected category for me? and how are they protected? ignore
Additionally,
which is the other unprotected category, and why is it OK to accuse them ? ???
siki
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We never said it is OK to attack someone. We said they are not affected and they are naturally protected, naturally being "by nature" not "of course".
I know you know whom I mean, because I mentioned this twice before, one of them being on your very thread of mohsanaat (or was it MMA?).
Well, think of the
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impotent, primarily or secondary to an ailment; hermaphrodites and other congenital anomaly (such as blocked vagina), amputee (by accident or by pathology) (the can't have sex);
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bereaved psychologically (who had a horrible experience in their early years such as molested or raped children) or emotionally (death of partner/love); homosexual or people who are not attracted to the opposite sex; frigid (the don't want to have sex).
These categories represent at least 30% of any population. Those are the non mu7San.
I should also add to the second category nuns and monks.
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We never said it is OK to attack someone. We said they are not affected and they are naturally protected, naturally being "by nature" not "of course".
I know you know whom I mean, because I mentioned this twice before, one of them being on your very thread of mohsanaat (or was it MMA?).
Well, think of the
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impotent, primarily or secondary to an ailment; hermaphrodites and other congenital anomaly (such as blocked vagina), amputee (by accident or by pathology) (the can't have sex);
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bereaved psychologically (who had a horrible experience in their early years such as molested or raped children) or emotionally (death of partner/love); homosexual or people who are not attracted to the opposite sex; frigid (the don't want to have sex).
These categories represent at least 30% of any population. Those are the non mu7San.
I should also add to the second category nuns and monks.
Your Majesty! pr
I am so '( ashamed while declaring , "I did not nope make any sense hmm of your posts "Then" , and "Even now";, ??? I would humbly hail request to kindly elaborate/re-word your opinion, so that the Royal command is under stood in its true essence. And if some "Darbari" attending the royal court has understood Her Majesty's sermon, he may kindly relay the message in commoners language handshake
siki
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We never said it is OK to attack someone. We said they are not affected and they are naturally protected, naturally being "by nature" not "of course".
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impotent, primarily or secondary to an ailment; hermaphrodites and other congenital anomaly (such as blocked vagina), amputee (by accident or by pathology) (the can't have sex);
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bereaved psychologically (who had a horrible experience in their early years such as molested or raped children) or emotionally (death of partner/love); homosexual or people who are not attracted to the opposite sex; frigid (the don't want to have sex).
These categories represent at least 30% of any population. Those are the non mu7San.
I should also add to the second category nuns and monk
I got it yay, I got it , yay Your highness! SO !, Do i have the royal permission to accuse the above categories ?
And if you do permit , >D can i start( my accusations )with the last (red one)
And what's "Darbari", if We may ask?
commoners/elite witnessing/attending the Royal court/Darbar, are recognised as Darbaries, hail your highness hail
And may i dare ask one more Question please?
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(big sigh) oufff! Thanks God, you got it at last! bravo
A reward for this big achievement for your likes You are granted more questions (this, of course, does not oblige us to answer them >
I will be a way for today (despite the on-line-green-light), so don't take it as I am ignoring you, or worse, I do not have an answer
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Maybe it's both? A lot of these punishments have more than one single effect. And I think pregnancy outside of marriage would be included, why not?. All you would need is 4 doctors as witnesses, with DNA evidence.
That proves pregnancy but not adultery. Maybe she was raped. Maybe the guy married her and then denied she was his wife.
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Well, think of the
- impotent, primarily or secondary to an ailment; hermaphrodites and other congenital anomaly (such as blocked vagina), amputee (by accident or by pathology) (the can't have sex);
What gets amputated by an accident in a female to make her impotent confused? and why are they being excluded in 24-4 confused? and if somebody cant have sex , does that mean that we can go on accusing her? brickwall
siki
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We never said it is OK to attack someone. We said they are not affected and they are naturally protected, naturally being "by nature" not "of course".
- bereaved psychologically (who had a horrible experience in their early years such as molested or raped children) or emotionally (death of partner/love); homosexual or people who are not attracted to the opposite sex; frigid (the don't want to have sex).
I should also add to the second category nuns and monks.
! So God has allowed us to throw unfounded > accusation At Red category in an attempt to bring betterment in their agonised lives. o o
) ) '( '(rotfl rotfl brickwall brickwall elektro elektro ignore ignore voodoo voodoo
Your highness try and make use of this giveup , and accept that your response of "offering me to the lions" was an honest mistake ,when i declared your statement as "sweeping"
By the way, accept my appreciation for getting 5 green stars. Congratulations for being crowned as a moderator. bravo bravo
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! So God has allowed us to throw unfounded >D accusation At Red category in an attempt to bring betterment in their agonised lives. o o
No one is allowed to throw any accusations against anybody. You will not throw accusations against these people in the first place, and if one does, the rumour will not live long.
Any way, according to the "chaste" understanding, and since there is no definition for chaste, anyone can accuse any woman and say she is not chaste and that's why she is accused!! See what I mean? This would apply to any other meaning for "mu7sanaat", but here, the difference is that rumours will hardly be issued in the first place. Imagine someone accusing a hermaphrodite of playing around with a man/woman.
By the way, accept my appreciation for getting 5 green stars. Congratulations for being crowned as a moderator.
Thank you! You called me "your majesty" and the next day I have a crown!
You are my sheikh now hailnow
Next time call me "Bill Gates" please eat.