Traditional Muslims are human-worshipping sheep
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hahaha your post attracted me coz i thought what a strange title.... of course id misread it to say traditional muslims are humans worshipping sheep..... hahaha how bizarre...
but really now that ive actually read it- thanks for sharing your story, and good luck for the future
peace
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peace brother
althought i agree with u on rejecting most of sunni and shia traditions that does not have a source
in the coran, i find the title that u chose silly and not right.
some traditional muslims r struggling for the sake of islam and the path of GOD
while others who consider themselves true muslims r living like sheep.
besides no muslim is human worshipping . we all believe in the same GOD
we all say "there no god but GOD".6117
Your Lord is fully aware of who strays from His path, and He is fully aware of the guided ones. -
Peace Falcon,
Welcome to the board and thanks for expressing the rage. I don't remember being so angry at any sunni point in my life, just frustrated at times when I'd hit blocks trying to search for truth. peace
besides no muslim is human worshipping . we all believe in the same GOD we all say "there no god but GOD".
Yes, we all "say" this, but "saying" isn't enough, right?631 When the hypocrites come to you they Say ?We bear witness that you are the messenger of God.? And God knows that you are His messenger, and God bears witness that the hypocrites are liars.
Peace.
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Thanks for the welcome all.
Zenje, I've never been angry as a direct result of religion. But the event that made me angry made my understanding of this world impossible to reconcile with the traditional Muslim view, and it's that conversation some months later that inspired me to go for the Quran alone.
Moslem, I agree with Zenje, saying is not enough. But I wouldn't call other Muslims hypocrites, they're mostly useless sheep. I just don't think the majority ever gave a thought to what Islam's monotheism implied.
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Yes, we all "say" this, but "saying" isn't enough, right?
631 When the hypocrites come to you they Say ?We bear witness that you are the messenger of God.? And God knows that you are His messenger, and God bears witness that the hypocrites are liars.
peace brother
i used to consider myself a shia and as far as i can remember i meant it everytime i said "there's no god but GOD"
and i believed in it, i wasn't an idolator as some people say about sunni and shia.
now i simply say im a submitter and i still have some shia beliefs and i reject some of it.
that verse u gave talks about hypocrites who left islam after the prophet died
and if u call all other muslims hypocrites i advice u to read my first reply
only GOD knows who is on the straight pathPS i see u'r not different of some salafis like al kaida who consider other muslims as "kafir"
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The difference is on what basis?
There is no difference. Your authority to judge another's deen is null. The best you can do is respond to their actions & falsehood.
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peace falcon, and welcome
631 When the hypocrites come to you they Say ?We bear witness that you are the messenger of God.? And God knows that you are His messenger, and God bears witness that the hypocrites are liars.
let's ponder this verse now....First of all i am not in favor of going around and calling people kaafirs
Remember Quran is also its own dictionary....
Take 631 and who 'bears witness' in their salat of such? And God clearly says here that he already knows who his messengers are !
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Once I decided it is "falsehood", I judged it. If I can't judge it, how can I respond?
The problem is that these words describes states of minds, not the people themselves. We all follow falsehood at one point, that may mean we are "kafir", but permanently?
More specifically, you just cannot say "I am more guided than you", the Quran warns against that, true or false?
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The problem is that these words describes states of minds, not the people themselves. We all follow falsehood at one point, that may mean we are "kafir", but permanently?
More specifically, you just cannot say "I am more guided than you", the Quran warns against that, true or false?
well said indeed
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besides no muslim is human worshipping . we all believe in the same GOD we all say "there no god but GOD".
Yes, we all "say" this, but "saying" isn't enough, right?
631 When the hypocrites come to you they Say ?We bear witness that you are the messenger of God.? And God knows that you are His messenger, and God bears witness that the hypocrites are liars.
peace brother
i used to consider myself a shia and as far as i can remember i meant it everytime i said "there's no god but GOD"
and i believed in it, i wasn't an idolator as some people say about sunni and shia.
now i simply say im a submitter and i still have some shia beliefs and i reject some of it.
that verse u gave talks about hypocrites who left islam after the prophet died
and if u call all other muslims hypocrites i advice u to read my first reply
only GOD knows who is on the straight pathPS i see u'r not different of some salafis like al kaida who consider other muslims as "kafir"
Peace moslem,
No problem, it seems you have made up your mind about that. But I just wanted to point out, I said "we". And the verse I posted, was about "saying and not meaning" which is what I was talking about. My emphasis was not on hypocrites.
PEACE )
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Salam/peace/shalom, sun
The problem is that these words describes states of minds, not the people themselves. We all follow falsehood at one point, that may mean we are "kafir", but permanently?
I myself believe that the word 'kafir' describes the bad minds of people who justify it by covering it up with religious sayings. It's derived from the word 'kafara' which means to cover, deny, hide, renounce, reject, disbelieve (opposite of belief), be ungrateful, negligent, expiate, darken.
We basically can say that believers in God/Allah for example who kill people for reasons like not belonging to their religious group/sect is a 'kafir'... They 'darken' the words of God/Allah to justify their actions. So it's indeed a state of mind that makes a person 'kafir' or not. The more evil your mind is, the more 'kafir' (dark) you become. The Almighty is our light... turning off his light means disbelieving in peace and tranquillity and thus disbelieving in the Almighty's rules.
More specifically, you just cannot say "I am more guided than you", the Quran warns against that, true or false?
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Say, "O you disbelievers.
"I do not worship what you worship.
"Nor do you worship what I worship.
"Nor will I ever worship what you worship.
"Nor will you ever worship what I worship.
"To you is your religion, and to me is my religion." (Quran 1091-6)That's why the Almighty let's everybody choose his own 'religion'/view, since we, humans, don't perfectly know which path to walk on and have to search it for our own. So we basically can't say 'you're wrong and I'm right', but we can say 'I think you're wrong and that the way how I interpret it is right' and then start a dialogue and discuss the matter (if one wishes) in where you disagree in.
Example
You shall not kill - GOD has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. These are His commandments to you, that you may understand." (Quran 6151)A soul created by the Almighty is sacred and the one ignoring that fact can get his hands burned by doing the above since we're allowed to react in the same way by the Almighty for the sake of justice of saving our lives/soul. That are the rules of the Almighty, denying that is disbelieving and 'covering' it up with your own opinion, which can be considered as 'shirk' (idol worshipping -putting yourself or somebody else as your "lawmaker", your God-).
jedi
Ma'salama,
Latifah