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مِّنَ ٱلأَنْعَامِ ثَمَانِيَةَ أَزْوَاج&#1613

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    Samia
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    Salaam Mazhar

    Very thoughtful research. I did have a problem with this (eight pairs = 4 kinds of cattle)!!

    Two questions;

    1. Horses, mules and donkeys are lawful to eat (especially donkeys )?
    2. Does it mean that it is not lawful to use any part or pigs, and not just the flesh Iskin; bobes...etc)?
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      Mazhar
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      Thanks sister Samia,

      1. Distinction/line of demarcation has been made between those herbivores who are to serve as beast of burden and those who are meant for eating.

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      {Refer 3672}

      {Refer 4079}
      Camel is also employed as beast of burden but the Quran has not mentioned it like that along with horses, mules and asses but separately as animal for sacrifice and eating. Therefore there is no point that horses, mules and donkeys could be considered or classified as animals permissible for eating.

      Another distinction is regarding milk. the females of horses, mules and donkeys perhaps do not have surplus milk to feed human beings. They produce milk sufficient only for their offspring.

      1. The family of pig is not sent for human beings; that is the 9th family. Therefore nothing of them could be used for our ?benefit?.

      is not restricted to pair. It means identical groups/family as defined by the Quran.

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        Samia
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        1. The family of pig is not sent for human beings; that is the 9th family. Therefore nothing of them could be used for our ?benefit?.

        How about the insuline adminstered to diabetics? It comes from pigs.

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          Mazhar
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          In addition to the insulin extracted from the pancreas of pigs it is also made from sheep, and oxen. Then why to go for pigs' insulin? Before 1921 too people were suffering from diabetes but they did not have insulin. They must be using alternative medicines.

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            explorer
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            The article is an interesting read.

            First question come to my mind is this

            Which camp would the spiders fall in?

            1. humans
            2. animals
            3. cattle

            The obvious answer is animals.

            Quran has further divided animals as

            1. those who walk on belly
            2. those who walk on 2 feets
            3. those who walk on 4 feets

            Now which group?

            Is the word "animal" referring to insects as well? Or perhaps this word is only referring to mammals only.

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              Samia
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              In addition to the insulin extracted from the pancreas of pigs it is also made from sheep, and oxen. Then why to go for pigs' insulin? Before 1921 too people were suffering from diabetes but they did not have insulin. They must be using alternative medicines.

              People before 1921 died of diabetes.

              Pigs' insulin was preferred over oxen's and other animals because it caused less allergic reactions since its molecule is closer to the human molecule in structure.

              Of course one can use any other source of insulin, even human insulin (Humilin) which is replacing animal-extracted insulin. I am not saying pigs are indispensable; no animal is. I was commenting on your sentence (Therefore nothing of them could be used for our benefit?). Remember, they are a cheap source of animal protein in poor countries and for poor families in other; and God recognizes this sometimes-indispensible source of food when He says "..if one is forced, other than in famine, without inclination to sin, then God is forgiving" 53 and similarly in 2173; 6145; 16115

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                Mazhar
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                Sister Samia,
                Assalmo Alaikum

                I used the word ?benefit? which is available to us in the herbivores as per the Quran in addition/in exclusion to eating. I did not say being mindful of As for eating the meat is concerned the word ? ? has specifically been used.

                The Quran covers all contingencies/situations as you rightly pointed out;

                The word reflects very closely the position of a man facing sudden decrease of sugar level. Exception has been allowed subject to the condition that he does not have inclination/liking nor goes beyond getting out of condition of .

                Even meat could be utilized since it is allowed in the condition

                Research is till going on; therefore nothing could be said with certainty about the prefer ability of insulin even. Quran has only specifically declared the ? ? as , I agree. But at the same time we need to remember that it has specifically been said that Allah has sent for us 8 families of herbivores mammals.

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                  Samia
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                  Salaam Mazhar
                  Thanks for the explanation. I agree totally with this.
                  I just wanted to make sure that I understand you correctly.

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                    Mazhar
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                    Now which group?

                    Is the word "animal" referring to insects as well? Or perhaps this word is only referring to mammals only.{Explorer}

                    Mammals are amongst "" but this word does not restrict to them alone. They are classified seperately. Quran also calls the "insects" as "" in verse 3414 where a female termite is referred.

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                      explorer
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                      Mazhar,

                      Let me rephrase my question.

                      In order to encompass all kinds of animals/insects should'nt Quran be saying something like this

                      'some of them crawl on their bellies, some of them walk of 2 feets, some of them walk on 4 feets, and some of them walk on 6 feets"

                      Spiders have 6 feets not 4.

                      I am not alluding that Quran is wrong. Our assumption that the word "animals" encompass all insects could be wrong; otherwise the book's listing of animal categories is incomplete.

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                        Mazhar
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                        Dear Explorer,

                        Perhaps the confusion is for the reason that you are taking one Ayah 2445 as if it is describing all animals in totality. It is not like that. It says that all animals are created from water. This applies to all animals/living organisms. And out of those animals some creep on bellies, some walk on two feet and some on four. Perhaps you are not considering/paying attention to used before describing some of the animals out of the toal lot. Insect {6 legs}has been referred seperately and 8 leg spider seperately.

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                          explorer
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                          Yes, you are right. That is what I thought. Thanks for the clarification.

                          I didn't know there are 8 leg spiders. I think all spiders have 6 legs.

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                            Mazhar
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                            This is quote with thanks from Encarta encylopedia

                            Spiders, along with daddy longlegs, mites, ticks, and scorpions, belong to a group of animals known as arachnids. Spiders are not insects. Spiders have a different body structure than insects. The bodies of spiders divide into two parts (a fused head and thorax and an abdomen), and spiders have eight legs and eight eyes; they lack antennae and wings. In contrast, the bodies of insects form three parts (head, thorax, and abdomen), and insects have six legs, two eyes, two antennae
                            Microsoft ? Encarta ? 2006. ? 1993-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

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                              explorer
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                              Yes, you are right. I knew spiders had two extra legs than insects but I thought insects have four. I should count them more carefully next time.

                              Sorry for the noise.

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                                Sorry for the noise.

                                you can't have answers unless you ask questions

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                                  Mazhar
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                                  Sorry for the noise.

                                  you can't have answers unless you ask questions

                                  Explorer had very beautifully said that anything said merely on the basis of one's thought without confirmation of the fact/reality is but noise. Questions are certainly not noise. One man travelling on a donkey had also asked himself as to how Allah will raise this dead town. Questions reflect thirst for knowledge.

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