Focal Point
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yea only 1 day so far.. But I am aware of this will be an going journey of seeking the truth. I just wanted to share with u what I had found out so far, and I know many of u have been investigating these things much longer then I have.
So I thought u might be able to give me some pointers.
I think I will go for the Yusuf Ali translation, what u think of it?
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Stick with The Message, it doesn't have any footnotes, stuff in brackets etc... (good thing! ).
Just verify the real arabic of things that come up, and use your pen to cross out or make changes in the translation... Have a notebook with you while reading so you can take notes, and write down verses/ayahs you want to investigate. Yusuf ali's is infused with interpretations, otherwise its not bad... -
Peace Kensho,
I have read different things. Some say that the real place is in Al Quds, Jerusalem, where the Temple Mount once stood which is now The Dome of the Rock. Heres an article that elaborates more on this idea.
http//www.free-minds.org/articles/history/moh.htm
For me it makes a lot of sense, however you should look on and research this question on your own instead of following others ideas. God is the best teacher.
Theres also the idea that Masjid Al Haram isnt a physical place. Forgot the article on that one sorry.
Peace
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Peace Kensho,
Welcome to the forum welcome
My current understanding is that "al-masjid al-haraam" is a common noun as used in the Qur'aan, and means "the inviolable institution of obedience".
Please use the search function in the forum for extensive discussion on this topic in the past. In addition to the advice and links already provided above, you may find the following helpful, God willing
http//free-minds.org/articles/gods_system/name.htm
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14094.msg132485#msg132485
Please go through all the links referenced in the above post.
Hope that helps.
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Peace Kensho,
My current understanding is that "al-masjid al-haraam" is a common noun as used in the Qur'aan, and means "the inviolable institution of obedience".
Peace
The exact Aya isIt is ( ).
Are you sure that in Arabic ,( ) words are used as "common nouns " as you have mentioned.
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Peace Kensho,
The Temple is
restrictedbecause there is no fighting allowed therin (a santuary of sorts).To find the location of the Temple simply by going with the title
masjid haramis a nearly impossible task. The Quran is full of more information regarding this subject, which, when you put together (tarteel) you will get the full picture (God willing).P.S. Welcome to the forum.
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Peace Leoxyz,
Are you sure that in Arabic ,( ) words are used as "common nouns " as you have mentioned.
In Classical Arabic, if the meaning fits the context, then yes.
Please use the search function for discussions on this issue in this forum.
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Peace Leoxyz,
In Classical Arabic, if the meaning fits the context, then yes.
Please use the search function for discussions on this issue in this forum.
peace
Please give me the reference where "Muarraf Bilaam" words are used as "common nouns".
Othewise I request you not to play with meanings of the Quran.
Do not treat the Holy Quran as Jews treated their scriptures(446) Among those who have become Jews there are some who alter the words from their context, *
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Peace Leoxyz,
Since you are the "knowledgable" one in Arabic, perhaps you would like to share that knowledge instead of slinging accusations and quoting signs out of context. Do you really know what "yuharrifoona" means ?
I hope that was not intentional.
This will be my last comment to your arrogant posts unless you have something positive and useful to contribute.
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Peace Leoxyz,
Since you are the "knowledgable" one in Arabic, perhaps you would like to share that knowledge instead of slinging accusations and quoting signs out of context. Do you really know what "yuharrifoona" means ?
I hope that was not intentional.
This will be my last comment to your arrogant posts unless you have something positive and useful to contribute.
Peace
please do answer my question and
2111
"Bring your proof, if you are right in your claim
As far as your saying is concernedThis will be my last comment to your arrogant posts unless you have something positive and useful to contribute
The Holy Quran says
1781
(1781) And declare, "The Truth has come and falsehood has vanished for falsehood is a thing that must by its nature vanish."still waiting for your input ;
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Greetings,
Like Layth said, "To find the location of the Temple simply by going with the title
masjid haramis a nearly impossible task"If someone puts up a title "Masjid Al Haram" in front of a building somewhere, would we believe it? No. We'd rather research what's the real Masjid Al Haram from attributes/context of Masjid Al Haram which is said in the Quran. Same goes for what other people put up the name for the one in Saudi Arabia - we must still verify it.
By the way, (off-topic) if some would say that the focal point would mean the point where you face during a "namaaz" - that contradicts with 2115, 574, 587
Layth's resarch regarding this "dome of the rock" was a really good theory that complies/clarified with many points throughout the Quran.
For example, why are there so many times in the Quran that tells the prophet to "tell the people of the scripture" and "O people of the scripture" and "O children of Israel". Or even that Muhammad and Jesus probably had a part that was the same type of audience the children of Israel (240,2112 with 616; Jesus was also saying "O children of Israel".
Then see 616 again, it also goes along very well - I understand Jesus told the Children of Israel that there will be a next messenger coming to them with a message that would say to them "O children of Israel" again.
How could this logically happen if Muhammad was so far away in a distant desert in the so-called "Mecca" of Saudi Arabia and never went to Jerusalem except for the night of stepping on the rock according to their Hadith? The children of Israel moved to Mecca? Jews of Mecca - how many? Jesus was talking to the Children of Israel in "Mecca"? What if Mecca means "destruction" in its only occurance at 4824... That might go along as well.Let's be patient and research sincerely step by step.
Whatever the conclusions that one might come to, let's keep in mind that 2134 and 2141 tells us that the details of the nations that had passed away is rather not as important.
May God Guide.
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salam brothers and sisters
please excuse my ignorance, and for possibly being off-topic, but i wondered if someone would be kind enough to point me to any link or article or post which has a list of every verse mentioning al masjid la haram.
i have searched already to no avail.
thank you
salam
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salam brothers and sisters
please excuse my ignorance, and for possibly being off-topic, but i wondered if someone would be kind enough to point me to any link or article or post which has a list of every verse mentioning al masjid la haram.
i have searched already to no avail.
thank you
salam
Peace,
But a normal Quran browser must be able to help you or go to studyquran.com
Majidah
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oops it should be www.studyquran.org
Majidah
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Salaam ignoramus,
please excuse my ignorance, and for possibly being off-topic, but i wondered if someone would be kind enough to point me to any link or article or post which has a list of every verse mentioning al masjid la haram.
i have searched already to no avail.
Please see the following
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13210.msg110854#msg110854
My current understanding is that "al-masjid al-haraam" as used in al-qur'aan means "the inviolable institution of obedience". Please substitute this meaning for my older and incorrect understanding of "institution of hearing and obeying the forbidden" in the above referenced article.
