Focal Point
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Peace Leoxyz,
Since you are the "knowledgable" one in Arabic, perhaps you would like to share that knowledge instead of slinging accusations and quoting signs out of context. Do you really know what "yuharrifoona" means ?
I hope that was not intentional.
This will be my last comment to your arrogant posts unless you have something positive and useful to contribute.
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Peace Leoxyz,
Since you are the "knowledgable" one in Arabic, perhaps you would like to share that knowledge instead of slinging accusations and quoting signs out of context. Do you really know what "yuharrifoona" means ?
I hope that was not intentional.
This will be my last comment to your arrogant posts unless you have something positive and useful to contribute.
Peace
please do answer my question and
2111
"Bring your proof, if you are right in your claim
As far as your saying is concernedThis will be my last comment to your arrogant posts unless you have something positive and useful to contribute
The Holy Quran says
1781
(1781) And declare, "The Truth has come and falsehood has vanished for falsehood is a thing that must by its nature vanish."still waiting for your input ;
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Greetings,
Like Layth said, "To find the location of the Temple simply by going with the title
masjid haramis a nearly impossible task"If someone puts up a title "Masjid Al Haram" in front of a building somewhere, would we believe it? No. We'd rather research what's the real Masjid Al Haram from attributes/context of Masjid Al Haram which is said in the Quran. Same goes for what other people put up the name for the one in Saudi Arabia - we must still verify it.
By the way, (off-topic) if some would say that the focal point would mean the point where you face during a "namaaz" - that contradicts with 2115, 574, 587
Layth's resarch regarding this "dome of the rock" was a really good theory that complies/clarified with many points throughout the Quran.
For example, why are there so many times in the Quran that tells the prophet to "tell the people of the scripture" and "O people of the scripture" and "O children of Israel". Or even that Muhammad and Jesus probably had a part that was the same type of audience the children of Israel (240,2112 with 616; Jesus was also saying "O children of Israel".
Then see 616 again, it also goes along very well - I understand Jesus told the Children of Israel that there will be a next messenger coming to them with a message that would say to them "O children of Israel" again.
How could this logically happen if Muhammad was so far away in a distant desert in the so-called "Mecca" of Saudi Arabia and never went to Jerusalem except for the night of stepping on the rock according to their Hadith? The children of Israel moved to Mecca? Jews of Mecca - how many? Jesus was talking to the Children of Israel in "Mecca"? What if Mecca means "destruction" in its only occurance at 4824... That might go along as well.Let's be patient and research sincerely step by step.
Whatever the conclusions that one might come to, let's keep in mind that 2134 and 2141 tells us that the details of the nations that had passed away is rather not as important.
May God Guide.
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salam brothers and sisters
please excuse my ignorance, and for possibly being off-topic, but i wondered if someone would be kind enough to point me to any link or article or post which has a list of every verse mentioning al masjid la haram.
i have searched already to no avail.
thank you
salam
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salam brothers and sisters
please excuse my ignorance, and for possibly being off-topic, but i wondered if someone would be kind enough to point me to any link or article or post which has a list of every verse mentioning al masjid la haram.
i have searched already to no avail.
thank you
salam
Peace,
But a normal Quran browser must be able to help you or go to studyquran.com
Majidah
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oops it should be www.studyquran.org
Majidah
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Salaam ignoramus,
please excuse my ignorance, and for possibly being off-topic, but i wondered if someone would be kind enough to point me to any link or article or post which has a list of every verse mentioning al masjid la haram.
i have searched already to no avail.
Please see the following
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13210.msg110854#msg110854
My current understanding is that "al-masjid al-haraam" as used in al-qur'aan means "the inviolable institution of obedience". Please substitute this meaning for my older and incorrect understanding of "institution of hearing and obeying the forbidden" in the above referenced article.
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Peace be upon you all,
God most certainly is the focus, however there is no proper IMAGE of "God" we can bring up in our minds, so what we need to do is to ALWAYS HOLD THE IMAGE OF GODLIKE BEHAVIOR" in our minds, always see our persons RESPONDING in the proper way to lifes events, no matter where we are in the world. No one has to travel anywhere to do that, we are all on equal playing field in that regard.
The masjid al haraam...sjd refers to submission and masjid is a place of submission....so masjid al haraam refers to he "place" where we submit to the restrictions(laws).
After pondering that for a long time I have come to realize that this is refering to the subconcious(nafs) which is where all laws are carried out. We are to always "face" this masjid because we should always be putting the proper seeds of behavor into this garden(salaat). We must guard our salaat(programming process).
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Peace be upon you all,
God most certainly is the focus, however there is no proper IMAGE of "God" we can bring up in our minds, so what we need to do is to ALWAYS HOLD THE IMAGE OF GODLIKE BEHAVIOR" in our minds, always see our persons RESPONDING in the proper way to lifes events, no matter where we are in the world. No one has to travel anywhere to do that, we are all on equal playing field in that regard.
The masjid al haraam...sjd refers to submission and masjid is a place of submission....so masjid al haraam refers to he "place" where we submit to the restrictions(laws).
After pondering that for a long time I have come to realize that this is refering to the subconcious(nafs) which is where all laws are carried out. We are to always "face" this masjid because we should always be putting the proper seeds of behavor into this garden(salaat). We must guard our salaat(programming process).
Peace,
Very well said Br Kyle.
Majidah
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Peace be upon you all,
God most certainly is the focus, however there is no proper IMAGE of "God" we can bring up in our minds, so what we need to do is to ALWAYS HOLD THE IMAGE OF GODLIKE BEHAVIOR" in our minds, always see our persons RESPONDING in the proper way to lifes events, no matter where we are in the world. No one has to travel anywhere to do that, we are all on equal playing field in that regard.
The masjid al haraam...sjd refers to submission and masjid is a place of submission....so masjid al haraam refers to he "place" where we submit to the restrictions(laws).
After pondering that for a long time I have come to realize that this is refering to the subconcious(nafs) which is where all laws are carried out. We are to always "face" this masjid because we should always be putting the proper seeds of behavor into this garden(salaat). We must guard our salaat(programming process).
salam
unfortunately, your ponderings and imagination do not bring the rest of us any closer to Truth.
salam
addendum
salam brother Idolfree
sorry, my post sounds rude, i mean to say that you need to give us more information on how you come to form your opinions. for example, is it through reasoning, logic, divine inspiration etc.
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Peace,
Why you must say that ignoramus?
Alot of the advices in Quran is for spiritual needs and understandings and to grasp that we have each of us to dig deeper.
Majidah
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Peace,
Why you must say that ignoramus?
Alot of the advices in Quran is for spiritual needs and understandings and to grasp that we have each of us to dig deeper.
Majidah
salam
sorry, i was not denegrating brother Idolfree's post. my point is that we need him to elaborate; at least for me, his post does not shed light on why he has his particular views on the subject.
i really am sorry, i will try to be more careful how i phrase things.
salam
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wa alaikum salam,
Oh ok, I thought that you was aware of his view but just wanted to look down on it. So I'm the one who should be sorry handshake
Peace
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wa alaikum salam,
Oh ok, I thought that you was aware of his view but just wanted to look down on it. So I'm the one who should be sorry handshake
Peace
Majidahsalam sister Majidah
i am really sorry; when i read my post, it did seem rude, although i did not mean it to be so.
i respect everyone's views.
brother Idolfree, please forgive me.
salam
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Salaam ignoramus,
Please see the following
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13210.msg110854#msg110854
My current understanding is that "al-masjid al-haraam" as used in al-qur'aan means "the inviolable institution of obedience". Please substitute this meaning for my older and incorrect understanding of "institution of hearing and obeying the forbidden" in the above referenced article.
Where is this instituition ??