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Who is Zaid in this Aya??

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    Leoxyz
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    Nonsense kills when become divine.

    A Great Quranist takes the help of Hadith to explain this Aya
    Exposition by G.A.Pervaiz

    "37 (It should be well understood that, although the decisions are pronounced by the Rasool, in reality the obedience is that of the Divine System. However this does not mean disobedience to the Rasool ~ 378 ~ as you have the right to differ or disagree with the personal suggestions of the Rasool or his advice. This in no way would mean the disobedience to Allah and His Rasool. In this connection the episode of Zaid sets forth an explicit example.)

    He (Zaid) was a person upon whom Allah had conferred grace; and (O Rasool) you too had extended personal favours. It was to him that you were advising, "Keep your wife in wedlock and in this way maintain a relationship which has been established according to the Divine Law. (Tolerate any petty differences you may have; and if there is something serious, then speak about it openly as hiding it will be of no use.) If you hide it in your heart, it will have to be explained later (at the time of divorce) as per the requirements of Divine Law. Do not have fears about people (as to what they would say) for you have to only fear Allah (ensuring that His Laws are not violated).?

    Zaid did not accept your advice and after he divorced his wife, you married her according to the Divine Law (so that she could be consoled of the shock she received). Earlier we had revealed clear verses that an adopted son does not become a real one (334). Marrying the wife of a real son is not permitted (423). However there is no blame in marrying the divorced wife of an adopted son; and therefore this action of the Rasool was in accordance with the Divine Laws.

    (This episode clearly brings out two issues. Firstly, only the decisions of the Rasool which are binding are those which he makes in his capacity as Allah's Rasool. As such, one can differ with his personal advice. Secondly, adopted sons do not become real sons.)"

    The Holy Quran warns
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      Samia
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      "Zaid" is an imaginary name to "anybody". The verse is applied to anyone, not necessarily those named "Zaid". Otherwise, we make the verse very specific.

      Arabs say 3amr, Zaid for individuals, when giving examples, as in Daaraba zaidun 3amra example for subject and direct object; or Zaid and 3ubaid for a group as in I do not care for zaid or 3ubaid I care for no one.

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        Leoxyz
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        "Zaid" is an imaginary name to "anybody". The verse is applied to anyone, not necessarily those named "Zaid". Otherwise, we make the verse very specific.

        Arabs say 3amr, Zaid for individuals, when giving examples, as in Daaraba zaidun 3amra example for subject and direct object; or Zaid and 3ubaid for a group as in I do not care for zaid or 3ubaid I care for no one.

        Such examples have been used for other names also
        -Muhammad
        -Umar
        So these names and characters are also imaginary
        Right ???
        brickwall brickwall
        Zaid was adopted son of the Holy Prophet as G.A pervaiz has accepted.I have given his version.

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          Samia
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          Such examples have been used for other names also
          -Muhammad
          -Umar

          Where?

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            Leoxyz
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            Where?

            Please pick up " " you will get many such examples.
            Reference same book as above for "primary schools ,part III ,page 151 under discussion of 'conjunctions (waw ul Ataf and waw ul maiyyah"
            Names used in examples are ;
            Muhammad
            Ahmad
            Hasan
            Ibrahim
            Khalid

            Page 161
            In two examples " Ali " is used

            Please also look into 'A grammar of Arabic language by W.Wright volume II page 255 Edition 2004

            the name "umar " is used in four examples.

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              Samia
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              hehehehe...

              That's not what I was talking about. I said "Arabs", meaning in classical dictionaries and old books of grammar (time-wise).

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                Leoxyz
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                hehehehe...

                That's not what I was talking about. I said "Arabs", meaning in classical dictionaries and old books of grammar (time-wise).

                So you want to say
                If some name is used in "examples" ,then it is a sure proof ,that any person of that name never existed as companion of the Holy Prophet ??
                brickwall brickwall

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                  nadeem
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                  Peace Sis Samia,

                  So what you're saying is that Zaid is to Arabic as John Doe is to english?

                  Nadeem

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                    Samia
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                    Peace Sis Samia,

                    So what you're saying is that Zaid is to Arabic as John Doe is to english?

                    Nadeem

                    Yes, it is (John Smith, I think)

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                      arnoldyasin
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                      QXP

                      3337 (In personal matters you may respectfully disagree with
                      Muhammad in the capacity of a human being 379. As an example)
                      Recall that you did tell the one to whom God had blessed and you had
                      blessed, Hold on to your wife and be mindful of God. You seek to
                      conceal within yourself what God intends to reveal. You fear people
                      whereas it is more appropriate to fear God. But when he had observed
                      all the rules and divorced her, We gave her to one of you in marriage, so
                      that henceforth there may be no blame on the believers in respect of
                      spouses of their adopted children when they have come to the
                      dissolution of their union. The commandment of God must be fulfilled.

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                        Samia
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                        Thanks Yasin.

                        That was the reason why I suspect it to be a proper name. Much more important personalities were not mentioned by name in the qur'aan.

                        So it is John Doe not John Smith? Maybe John Smith is the UK Zaid ;D

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                          Leoxyz
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                          QXP

                          3337 (In personal matters you may respectfully disagree with
                          Muhammad in the capacity of a human being 379. As an example)
                          Recall that you did tell the one to whom God had blessed and you had
                          blessed, ?Hold on to your wife and be mindful of God. You seek to
                          conceal within yourself what God intends to reveal. You fear people
                          whereas it is more appropriate to fear God.? But when he had observed
                          all the rules and divorced her, We gave her to one of you in marriage, so
                          that henceforth there may be no blame on the believers in respect of
                          spouses of their adopted children when they have come to the
                          dissolution of their union. The commandment of God must be fulfilled.

                          you are referring a person who cannot who translates the aya of
                          -wash the feet as "rub the feet".
                          Such persons can be a standarf for you or Samia not for me at least.
                          Quote some literate authority please.

                          Prove that Zayd Bin Harith did not exist at all.

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                            unknownuser
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                            Prove that Zayd Bin Harith did not exist at all.

                            Thanks.

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                              Leoxyz
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                              Thanks.

                              Zayd ibn Harithah
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                              Zayd ibn Harithah (Zayd ibn Muhammad or Zaid mawla Muhammad) (c. 578-627 CE) was a prominent figure in the early Islamic community and the only one of sahaba whose name is spelled directly in Quran. As an adopted son of Muhammad, he was an early convert to Islam and later, a military leader. He died c. 627 CE at the Battle of Mu'tah.

                              http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zayd_ibn_Harithah

                              So Quranists have taken a new Turn that
                              -Quran is grammatically wrong
                              -Any person who is mentioned in the Quran did not exist at all
                              Is this not tampering of the Quran ???

                              1781
                              (1781) And declare, "The Truth has come and falsehood has vanished for falsehood is a thing that must by its nature vanish.

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                                IF Zayd Bin Harith didn't exist then who was the ex husband of Huzoor? 's wife zainab? and who was the father of Osama Bin Zayd? yay Now lemme see how these quranists say Zayd Bin Harith didn't exist.

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                                  Prove that Zayd Bin Harith did not exist at all.

                                  Prove Muhammad didn't exist at all.

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                                    Leoxyz
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                                    Prove Muhammad didn't exist at all.

                                    It not we who are saying Zaid did not exist.
                                    It the Quranist progeny which is claiming so .

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                                      afridi220
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                                      "Zaid" is an imaginary name to "anybody". The verse is applied to anyone, not necessarily those named "Zaid". Otherwise, we make the verse very specific.

                                      Arabs say 3amr, Zaid for individuals, when giving examples, as in Daaraba zaidun 3amra example for subject and direct object; or Zaid and 3ubaid for a group as in I do not care for zaid or 3ubaid I care for no one.

                                      peace

                                      Samia is right zaid and baker is use in urdu also when giving example.

                                      peace

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                                        Leoxyz
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                                        peace

                                        Samia is right zaid and baker is use in urdu also when giving example.

                                        peace

                                        Only such type of argument is expected from a Quranist.After all to be rational one needs
                                        -Brain
                                        -knowledge

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                                          afridi220
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                                          [After all to be rational one needs
                                          -Brain
                                          -knowledge

                                          You are right its apply to you also voodoo

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