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Who is Zaid in this Aya??

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    Leoxyz
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    Peace Leoxyz,

    Describe a single situation where the identity of 'zaid' would be essential to a muslim.

    Nadeem

    Why did Prophet ask Zaid not to divorce his wife?
    Unless you identify Zaid and the real situation ,How can you answer this question ?

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      nadeem
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      Peace Leoxyz,

      Why is that question important in the first place?

      Nadeem

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        ILisa
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        You may not need the details but these are essential for a muslim.

        ACK! So now you've juxtaposed me and 'a muslim'. Very interesting. Indeed!! hmm

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          unknownuser
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          Any developments? Have we learnt how Zaid cooked pizza from the Quran? What surah is the recipe in?

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            Leoxyz
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            Any developments? Have we learnt how Zaid cooked pizza from the Quran? What surah is the recipe in?

            To the real Deen ,History is equally important.
            Evidence Quran has narrated the history of Prophets particularly that of Prophet Moses PBUH in detail.
            And orders
            3042
            (3042) (O Prophet,) say to them, "Go about in the land and see what has been the end- of those who lived before (you). Most of them were mushriks (idolaters). *

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              unknownuser
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              To the real Deen ,History is equally important.
              Evidence Quran has narrated the history of Prophets particularly that of Prophet Moses PBUH in detail.
              And orders
              3042
              (3042) (O Prophet,) say to them, "Go about in the land and see what has been the end- of those who lived before (you). Most of them were mushriks (idolaters). *

              Yes obviously; so what does that have to do with accepting hearsay as this?

              http//www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/058.sbt.html#005.058.227

              Volume 5, Book 58, Number 227
              Narrated Abbas bin Malik
              ...

              When I came back to Moses, he said, 'What have you been ordered?' I replied, 'I have been ordered to observe five prayers a day.' He said, 'Your followers cannot bear five prayers a day, and no doubt, I have got an experience of the people before you, and I have tried my level best with Bani Israel, so go back to your Lord and ask for reduction to lessen your follower's burden.' I said, 'I have requested so much of my Lord that I feel ashamed, but I am satisfied now and surrender to Allah's Order.' When I left, I heard a voice saying, 'I have passed My Order and have lessened the burden of My Worshipers."

              How do we go about and verify the above is true?

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                unknownuser
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                To the real Deen ,History is equally important.
                Evidence Quran has narrated the history of Prophets particularly that of Prophet Moses PBUH in detail.
                And orders
                3042
                (3042) (O Prophet,) say to them, "Go about in the land and see what has been the end- of those who lived before (you). Most of them were mushriks (idolaters). *

                Correct. Though the Quran itself gave the example, which is what we need for guidance. Please differentiate.

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                  Samia
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                  ACK! So now you've juxtaposed me and 'a muslim'. Very interesting. Indeed!! hmm

                  You should change your name to "Al3azza" so you get counted with muslims

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                    Leoxyz
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                    Correct. Though the Quran itself gave the example, which is what we need for guidance. Please differentiate.

                    Subhanallah

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                      mz
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                      Dear friends
                      Who is Zaid in this Aya??

                      3337

                      To my knowledge there is no zaid in the ayah at all.

                      And (remember) when (he) said to him ?you have received the grace of Allah and favour "Retain thou (in wedlock) thy wife, and fear Allah." But didst hide in the heart that which Allah was about to make manifest and didst fear the people, but Allah had better right that he should have feared Him. So when their desire to finally end the union increased We joined her in a new marriage tie in order that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the Believers in the wives yearning/cry, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And Allah's command must be fulfilled.

                      God Bless All.

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                        ILisa
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                        You should change your name to "Al3azza" so you get counted with muslims

                        rotfl Now there's an idea!

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                          Leoxyz
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                          Neither the Grand Quran is inexplicit nor Deen is equivalent to the sum total of Quran +Sunna {here it is meant what is stated by a number of non Arab historians/collections of hearsays etc}. Quran has defined Deen as Millat Ibrahim, which the Last Messenger was advised to follow. The "Sunna" of the Last Messenger is the one recorded in Quran.

                          The Grand Quran {not the hadith quoted by someone} has unambiguously stated that Sydena Zaid was the adopted son {a son not born of him but known as son since by the utterance of his mouth he called him as his son}

                          ?And We have not made whom you call with your tongues sons as your sons? {Refer 33{04}

                          ANOTHER PEARL OF TRANSLATION BY A QURANIST

                          Actual Aya
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                          Sir ! Would you kindly tell me which words you have translated as "We have not made"
                          It will be a great help to learners like me.

                          Mashallah and Subhanallah

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                            Samia
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                            ANOTHER PEARL OF TRANSLATION BY A QURANIST

                            Actual Aya
                            334
                            Sir ! Would you kindly tell me which words you have translated as "We have not made"
                            It will be a great help to learners like me.

                            Mashallah and Subhanallah

                            The cat that eats its kittens is blind, stupid and unable to differentiate between what belongs to her and what belongs to the others.

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                              Leoxyz
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                              The cat that eats its kittens is blind, stupid and unable to differentiate between what belongs to her and what belongs to the others.

                              So you also think
                              maa ja3ala = We did not make ??

                              Subhanallah & Mashallah
                              By the way who is teacher of all of you in Classical Arabic??
                              I want to see that "Zamakhshari"

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                                Mazhar
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                                "Actual Aya
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                                Sir ! Would you kindly tell me which words you have translated as "We have not made"
                                It will be a great help to learners like me" {Leoxyz}

                                Dear Leoxyz; Kindly enlighten me with the correct translation.

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                                  Leoxyz
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                                  Dear Leoxyz; Kindly enlighten me with the correct translation.

                                  First answe my Question.
                                  Which word did you translate as "we" in this ayaa, then we can talks further.

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                                    Samia
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                                    So you also think
                                    maa ja3ala = We did not make ??

                                    Subhanallah & Mashallah
                                    By the way who is teacher of all of you in Classical Arabic??
                                    I want to see that "Zamakhshari"

                                    That's what you understood from my comment confused? No wonder!! You really are a hopeless case as far as comprehension is concerned.

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                                      Leoxyz
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                                      That's what you understood from my comment confused? No wonder!! You really are a hopeless case as far as comprehension is concerned.

                                      Because I am not 'Zamakhshari" of the time like most of Quranists.

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                                        Mazhar
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                                        ?And We have not made whom you call with your tongues sons as your sons? {Refer 33{04}{Mazhar}

                                        ANOTHER PEARL OF TRANSLATION BY A QURANIST

                                        Actual Aya
                                        334
                                        Sir ! Would you kindly tell me which words you have translated as "We have not made"
                                        It will be a great help to learners like me.{Leoxyz}

                                        I had referred to only part of the Ayah which was relevant to the subject/point under discussion. The Ayah on the subject begins with the Name of Allah; ?Allah has not made/created/assigned?; and in the part of the Ayah cut from the original; ?We? does not mean Mazhar and Leoxyz but certainly it means and refers to Allah.

                                        YUSUFALI Allah has not made for any man two hearts in his (one) body nor has He made your wives whom ye divorce by Zihar your mothers nor has He made your adopted sons your sons. Such is (only) your (manner of) speech by your mouths. But Allah tells (you) the Truth, and He shows the (right) Way.
                                        PICKTHAL Allah hath not assigned unto any man two hearts within his body, nor hath He made your wives whom ye declare (to be your mothers) your mothers, nor hath He made those whom ye claim (to be your sons) your sons. This is but a saying of your mouths. But Allah saith the truth and He showeth the way.
                                        SHAKIR Allah has not made for any man two hearts within him; nor has He made your wives whose backs you liken to the backs of your mothers as your mothers, nor has He made those whom you assert to be your sons your real sons; these are the words of your mouths; and Allah speaks the truth and He guides to the way.
                                        MOHAMMAD ESED God has not created two hearts inside any one human being. God does not consider your wives whom you renounce by zihar as your mothers nor those whom you adopt as your sons. These are only words of your mouth. God tells the Truth and shows the right path.
                                        T.B. IRVING God has not placed two hearts in any man's body. Nor has He granted you wives whom you may back away from, to act as your mothers, nor has He granted your adopted sons to be your own sons. That is your own statement made by your own mouths. God states the Truth and He guides one along the Way. Call them after their own fathers; it is fairer so far as God is concerned. If you do not know who their fathers were, then your brothers in religion and your wards.

                                        I hope the aforsaid people were not termed/called/identified as "Quranists".

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                                        Dear Leoxyz,

                                        Now please translate only that part of the Ayah which I had pasted so that I could make amends and benefit.

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                                          ijaz
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                                          Dear friends
                                          Who is Zaid in this Aya??

                                          3337

                                          Salaam Leoxyz,

                                          The answer is in the same verse; Recall that you said to the one who was blessed by GOD, and blessed by you, "Keep your wife and reverence GOD," and you hid inside yourself what GOD wished to proclaim. Thus, you feared the people, when you were supposed to fear only GOD. When Zeid was completely through with his wife, we had you marry her, in order to establish the precedent that a man may marry the divorced wife of his adopted son. GOD's commands shall be done.

                                          I do not think there is any ambiguity..

                                          Regards

                                          Ijaz

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