Hell
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Peace Cosmic
I'm not sure how you do not understand "current of thought"? It's sort of like a traditions perceptions of well, whatever. Basically it is whatever is in the mind you may be focused on at the moment.
My experience is mine own and known only in it's entirety by God. I mean your experience, but not all people learn from experience or are blind to the experience or pieces of it.
Joe
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OK, so do you regard the statements in the Qur'an about Hell - as meaning the Sun?
Do you believe it will one day burn unbelievers?
Obviously not. But if something that vividly fits the description of hell is there to see just outside, why is it so hard to believe it could exist?
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Obviously not. But if something that vividly fits the description of hell is there to see just outside, why is it so hard to believe it could exist?
Oh, I see.
So you are saying a big fire where unbelievers are burnt repeatedly is true - because the Sun is true.
I don't know why I didn't think of that myself - thanks.
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Peace Cosmic
I'm not sure how you do not understand "current of thought"? It's sort of like a traditions perceptions of well, whatever. Basically it is whatever is in the mind you may be focused on at the moment.
So I should verify others opinions according to the current of thought in the Qur'an, which means the traditions perceptions of whatever.
Thanks - that's all clear to me now.
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We create our own hell by NOT TRUSTING The God. Has nothing to do with BELIEF in The God.
I've not read this whole thread since it's grown so fast in so short a time, but it seems to me that you are in a state of denial and just won't except that God could create an enviroment suitable to the natures of its inductees.
- As for those who rejected, neither their money nor their children will avail them anything from God. They are the fuel for the Fire.
...beware the Fire whose fuel is people and stones, it has been prepared for the rejecters.
peace
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Peace Cosmic
No that's not what it means. rotfl
Let me give you an example or two. Anne Rice's Vampire chronicles concern the romantic vampire in homo-erotic situations, or the Divine Comedy concerns understanding, purification, and illumination. That's a current of thought. Like in Harry Potter, you have a kid wizards growth and inheritance. Currents of thought man. Whatever you may be thinking of, some theme.
Joe
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Peace Cosmic
No that's not what it means. rotfl
Let me give you an example or two. Anne Rice's Vampire chronicles concern the romantic vampire in homo-erotic situations, or the Divine Comedy concerns understanding, purification, and illumination. That's a current of thought. Like in Harry Potter, you have a kid wizards growth and inheritance. Currents of thought man. Whatever you may be thinking of, some theme.
Joe
So I compare people's opinion to whatever I may be thinking of when reading the Qur'an - which could include homo-erotic vampires or Harry Potter.
I'm loving this - thanks.
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Oh, I see.
So you are saying a big fire where unbelievers are burnt repeatedly is true - because the Sun is true.
I don't know why I didn't think of that myself - thanks.
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Back to our old ways, are we?
Please just let it out.
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Back to our old ways, are we?
Please just let it out.
Can you explain the logic behind saying; because the Sun is true, then a big fire where unbelievers are burnt repeatedly is true?
I don't see how one follows the other?
Please explain.
Thanks.
Peace.
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Peace
There are currents of thought already ingrained in the quran by its author. These are themes that one should adhere to when they want to follow the teachings therein. One can deviate from those established currents of thought (in the quran) with their opinions of course. Just as easily one may misinterpret another book.
Joe
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Peace
There are currents of thought already ingrained in the quran by its author. These are themes that one should adhere to when they want to follow the teachings therein. One can deviate from those established currents of thought (in the quran) with their opinions of course. Just as easily one may misinterpret another book.
Joe
Has anyone made a list of these "currents of thought" in the Qur'an?
Just in case people like me don't have a clue what your talking about.
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Peace Cosmicdancer,
For someone with cosmic in their screen name you sure don't seem to know much about this universe
Hell is a reality in this universe. See asteroid collisions, see other planets, see galaxy mergers, see black holes etc.... etc...
How do those things prove the existence of a Hell which tortures unbelievers?
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Define 'unbeliever'. Search al-quran you will find that there's not a single of an unbeliever doing good things. What does that mean?
Just throwing out an idea
What if heaven/hell are just dream states after we die. Would we able to tell a difference? Those who have done evil would have bad dreams, those who have done good would naturally have good dreams, and whatever we 'desire.
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Define 'unbeliever'. Search al-quran you will find that there's not a single of an unbeliever doing good things. What does that mean?
Just throwing out an idea
What if heaven/hell are just dream states after we die. Would we able to tell a difference? Those who have done evil would have bad dreams, those who have done good would naturally have good dreams, and whatever we 'desire.
I can't remember how many times I have asked a question and just got another question in reply - usually asking me to define something.
The funny thing is that you are only interested in my answer so you can tell me it is wrong.
So let us cut to the chase.
Let's assume I don't know what it means - please go ahead and tell me what Kafir means.
And explain to me how that makes torturing them any better?
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Are you only concerned about hell torturing unbelievers or torturing criminals too?
Torturing anyone is unacceptable.
But torturing people for not believing is worse.
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What I have gathered from a brief study of the book is this
"people who establish partners to God will not be forgiven and are going to hell".
Seems like the name of the game is reaching one god. Performing "Good deeds" are important but not as pivotal as reaching one god.
Having said that
- Mother Teresa should be destined for hell as she had been committing idol worship.
- Cosmic Dancer is eligible for paradise as he believes in one God and has not established partners to God. He does not believe in the book though.
Cosmic Dancer wins? Mother Teresa looses? Or am I missing something here?
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CosmicDancer,
You are asking irrational questions. Hell is a consequence of deeds. deeds follow belief. You yourself know this and have no problem with HUMANS prosecuting and punishing people for there ENTIRE life in jail. Yet you have a problem with GOD doing the same? This is illogical.
To me, it seems you are simply trying to justify your disbelief in GOD with this Hell discussion. To assume that the is no consequences for your deeds is against all logic and almost all religious scriptures.
This is not about being punish for "just" believing, because the Quran make it clear that this is not the case, but the belief causes deeds.
So the really question to you ComsicDancer is, why it is impossible for a GOD to make his creation accountable for their actions?
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Peace CosmicDancer,
I hope that you are genuinly seeking answers.
I will try to give you an illustration of "hell".
Someone doing mischief, harming people around him, fooling them without paying attention to any sentiment of remorse, shame or regret (because surely one does feel "bad" when doing "bad", it is innate)... All this adds up, creating a great amount of remorse. When one is young and healthy, one doesn't care about any of this, thinking he will live and keep his strenght and power forever, hiding in the depth of his heart all these unconfortable sentiments.
But once he start loosing his might, this remorse, shame, and regret show up, overwhelming his mind, "burning" him from all sides, drowning him in torrents of torment with pain and suffering.
So, just look around you, people that you know, whatever their beliefs are, when they get older, some of them live in a bliss "paradise" having no fear (they have no regrets, they were upright with people around them), and some others live in torment and fear, having no time nor power to change whatever mischief they created.
I hope that helps.
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