ٱلْخَبِيثُ وَٱلطَّيِّبُ : Junk, scud vs. sustainable, meaningful.
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"Have you seen/pondered about the water which you drink?
Is it you who liquefy/shed it from the white shiny cloud, or are We Who Shed it?
In almost all what have been termed ?Mothers of Tafseer?, has been translated as and then some stated . But is never .
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Grand Quran has used four words to describe different types of clouds like
, and All these four words are different and distinct from each other. They describe some thing different from each other in nature, shape and coulour, dimensions.Except for one Allah and Grand Quran has not made any claim that Allah is the One who sheds water from it and that it were not you who shed or could shed water from it. Had this claim been made in respect of , , , today someone could have challenged it that human beings are capable of shedding artificial rain.
But the Grand Quran is a proven fact for all times to come. is a proper noun since it is preceded by definite article "". It refers to a cloud which is white and shiny. It is amongst the high clouds, classified as Cirrostratus clouds which appear as a fine, whitish veil; they occasionally exhibit a fibrous structure and, when situated between the observer and the moon, produce halo phenomena. Cirrocumulus clouds form small, white, fleecy balls and wisps, arranged in groups or rows. Cirrus clouds are isolated, feathery, and threadlike, often with hooks or tufts, and are arranged in bands.
These are clouds composed of ice particles {not water droplets}. It is found at average levels of 8 km (5 mi) or more above the earth. These are called cirrus cloud.These are middle clouds. These are clouds composed of water droplets and ranging in altitude from about 3 to 6 km (about 2 to 4 mi) above the earth. Two principal genera are included in the family. Altostratus clouds appear as a thick, gray or bluish veil, through which the sun or moon may be seen only diffusely, as through a frosted glass. Altocumulus clouds have the appearance of dense, fleecy balls or puffs somewhat larger than cirrocumulus. The sun or moon shining through altocumulus clouds may produce a corona, or colored ring, markedly smaller in diameter than a halo.
"Or are like the darkness of a deep sea which is covered by waves upon waves above which are clouds,
layers of darkness, one upon the other.
when he puts out his hand, he is not near seeing {scarcely see} it.
And for whom Allah has not assigned visible light then for him there is no visible light" {Refer 2440}
The other fact mentioned in the Grand Quran about the existence of wave above wave has also very recently been discovered/seen by human beings. The point that I could not understand is the presence of above a wave. Etymologically this word means "dragged it, drew it along; efface". The word has metaphorical similarity to Waves of seismic origin A tsunami (Japanese tsu, ?harbour,? and nami, ?sea?) is a very long wave of seismic origin that is caused by a submarine or coastal earthquake, landslide, or volcanic eruption. Such a wave may have a length of hundreds of kilometers and a period on the order of a quarter of an hour. It travels across the ocean at a tremendous speed. In the open ocean the height of tsunamis may be less than one meter, and they pass unnoticed. As they approach a continental shelf, however, their speed is reduced and their height increases dramatically. Tsunamis have caused enormous destruction of life and property, piling up in coastal waters at places thousands of kilometers away from their point of origin, particularly in the Pacific Ocean.
"And We sent water heavily showering from the squeezer fluffy clouds" {Refer 7814-15}
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Press, or squeeze grapes or other fluffy things so as to force out its juice, syrup, honey. oil, water, or moisture extracted, or fetched out by pressure or wringingGush forth vehemently. This reflects heavy shower.
Lower clouds with vertical development
Cumulonimbus clouds a large white or gray cloud with a flat base and a rounded fluffy top, or a mass of such clouds, developing as a result of rising hot air currents. Clouds of this type range in height from less than 1.6 km (1 mi) to more than 13 km (8 mi) above the earth. Two main forms are included in this group. Cumulus clouds are dome-shaped, woolpack clouds most often seen during the middle and latter part of the day, when solar heating produces the vertical air currents necessary for their formation. These clouds usually have flat bases and rounded cauliflower like tops. Cumulonimbus clouds are dark, heavy-looking clouds rising like mountains high into the atmosphere, often showing an anvil-shaped veil of ice clouds, false cirrus, at the top. Popularly known as thunderheads, cumulonimbus clouds are usually accompanied by heavy, abrupt showers.Lower clouds
These clouds, also composed of water droplets, are generally less than 1.6 km (1 mi) high. Three principal forms comprise this group. Stratocumulus clouds consist of large rolls of clouds, soft and gray looking, which frequently cover the entire sky.Grand Quran had described the Cloud Atlas 1400 years back; and anyone may compare it with the Atlas developed now by the scientists. Should we believe in the words of Quran or just speculative assertions of old ?scholars??
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Dear Leoxyz,
Never pick up a word from the whole text and then start strange sort of remarks not common in the ordinary parlance.
These are middle clouds. These are clouds composed of water droplets and ranging in altitude from about 3 to 6 km (about 2 to 4 mi) above the earth. Two principal genera are included in the family. Altostratus clouds appear as a thick, gray or bluish veil, through which the sun or moon may be seen only diffusely, as through a frosted glass. Altocumulus clouds have the appearance of dense, fleecy balls or puffs somewhat larger than cirrocumulus. The sun or moon shining through altocumulus clouds may produce a corona, or colored ring, markedly smaller in diameter than a halo.
And if you have little time see the Ayat about . Clouds are visible to the naked eye. If history leaves you for a while then please keep seeing the sky you will notice the difference in the clouds. Don't equate four different words of Quran to mean one and same thing.
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Dear Leoxyz,
Never pick up a word from the whole text and then start strange sort of remarks not common in the ordinary parlance.
And if you have little time see the Ayat about . Clouds are visible to the naked eye. If history leaves you for a while then please keep seeing the sky you will notice the difference in the clouds. Don't equate four different words of Quran to mean one and same thing.
Dear Mahar ;
I did not pick up a single word rather I picked up your claim You saidIn almost all what have been termed ?Mothers of Tafseer?, has been translated as and then some stated . But is never
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Give the evidence that "sahaab' can never be "white"Either accept that your claim is wrong or provide the evidence.Othewise it will be put as "PEARL AND DIAMOND" in my Archive.
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These are middle clouds. These are clouds composed of water droplets and any cloud that contains water droplets is never white and shiny like Almuzan the very mening of which is white and shiny since it contains ice not water droplets. From man has developed technology to artificial rain. But Quran has made claim that you can make water from Almuzan to fall on the ground. Bukhari and other learned scholars of the past did not know about Atlas of clouds therefore it is difficult not only for me but even NASA will not be able to make you understand that is never whilte and shiny. But Quran has used four different words for different clouds, Almuzan cannot be therefore cannot be white as Almuzan is. It is a simple thing not diamond. By the why do you know what in reality a diamond is?
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These are middle clouds. These are clouds composed of water droplets and any cloud that contains water droplets is never white and shiny like Almuzan the very mening of which is white and shiny since it contains ice not water droplets. From man has developed technology to artificial rain. But Quran has made claim that you can make water from Almuzan to fall on the ground. Bukhari and other learned scholars of the past did not know about Atlas of clouds therefore it is difficult not only for me but even NASA will not be able to make you understand that is never whilte and shiny. But Quran has used four different words for different clouds, Almuzan cannot be therefore cannot be white as Almuzan is. It is a simple thing not diamond. By the why do you know what in reality a diamond is?
This is your own version which I am ready to accept it.Bring evidence from classical Arabic.Because it is an arabic word.Repeating your own "paragraph" is no proof.You are not an authority.
Either accept your fault or prove it.I am again asking you -
This is an Arabic word, but a specific one; not nickname as say like Leoxyz which does not indicate the features of the thing someone believes it refers to; Arabic word refers a specific thing, and that specific thing has a shape, feature, dimensions, colour. Would you keep following Bukhari or Callasical Arabic Lexicons even if they did not know/had knowledge about something likew Assahab and Almuzn? Try to live in 21st century since you will not be raised with the people of 9th and 10 century.
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This is an Arabic word, but a specific one; not nickname as say like Leoxyz which does not indicate the features of the thing someone believes it refers to; Arabic word refers a specific thing, and that specific thing has a shape, feature, dimensions, colour. Would you keep following Bukhari or Callasical Arabic Lexicons even if they did not know/had knowledge about something likew Assahab and Almuzn? Try to live in 21st century since you will not be raised with the people of 9th and 10 century.
Bring evidence from ,9th century /10th century or 21st century arabic proof that "sahaab" cannot be "White".
Two choices
Either accept your fault or
Provide evidence(No "Batkaas" please)
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If you read the posts the evidence is as strong as the shining sun. Remove the walls you have raised in front and back of you, dear Leoxyz.
Please give me the evidence or apologize ;
I have already received "first warning from Wakas" to not to pick up "PEARLS "
Why do you people shed Pearls ?? I do not understand -
Grand Quran has used four words to describe different types of clouds like
, and All these four words are different and distinct from each other. They describe some thing different from each other in nature, shape and coulour, dimensions.Except for one Allah and Grand Quran has not made any claim that Allah is the One who sheds water from it and that it were not you who shed or could shed water from it. Had this claim been made in respect of , , , today someone could have challenged it that human beings are capable of shedding artificial rain.
But the Grand Quran is a proven fact for all times to come. is a proper noun since it is preceded by definite article "". It refers to a cloud which is white and shiny. It is amongst the high clouds, classified as Cirrostratus clouds which appear as a fine, whitish veil; they occasionally exhibit a fibrous structure and, when situated between the observer and the moon, produce halo phenomena. Cirrocumulus clouds form small, white, fleecy balls and wisps, arranged in groups or rows. Cirrus clouds are isolated, feathery, and threadlike, often with hooks or tufts, and are arranged in bands.
These are clouds composed of ice particles {not water droplets}. It is found at average levels of 8 km (5 mi) or more above the earth. These are called cirrus cloud.These are middle clouds. These are clouds composed of water droplets and ranging in altitude from about 3 to 6 km (about 2 to 4 mi) above the earth. Two principal genera are included in the family. Altostratus clouds appear as a thick, gray or bluish veil, through which the sun or moon may be seen only diffusely, as through a frosted glass. Altocumulus clouds have the appearance of dense, fleecy balls or puffs somewhat larger than cirrocumulus. The sun or moon shining through altocumulus clouds may produce a corona, or colored ring, markedly smaller in diameter than a halo.
There are only four types of clouds. Since Learned Bukhari and other scholars of old did not have the know how about the clouds, therefore, if you think that evidence is only that which comes from the utterences of their mouths, I regret my inability to provide you such evidence.
If you really want to know that it is only which is white and shiny and none of other clouds are white, shiny, consult some met department or obtain information from NASA. Bukhari etc can't give you knowledge, rest assured.