Starjade Sura 4:82 challenges the whole of Islam.
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Please take the time to read what you're posting in order that you may stop contradicting yourself, the verse says that if it isn't from God then surely they would find much discrepancy therein, you will need to elaborate on your claim of
I do find much discrepancy. I think it says the earth is flat, the sky is a physical covering or canopy, the sun orbits the earth and meteors are thrown at things or fired at things. To me, a 21st century person, this is much discrepancy, just like it says one will find. Muhammad just didn't realize it back then. After all, how could he? Who would have ever guessed the true nature of meteorites as dust and debris? I wouldn't have. It's totally counter to what the naked eye tells us. Who would have guessed that the flames supposedly shooting across the sky were not a sign of the protection of the lowest heaven, as the Quran clearly says, but rather are actually a sign of the protection of the earth? But that's what it is. And yet the Quran got this backwards as most people's intuition and naked eye would as well. Allah had a 7th century understanding of the cosmos. Clearly.
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Peace DDS
You may understand meaning of Islam and Muslims. You falsely consider Mohammedans (shia and Sunnis)
Correct your article using Islam ( submission to God Alone 319) then I would consider to listen to your 500 claims using cyber id as prophet ???
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Well hello there everyone.Al-Quraishi you said; Well hello there.
Starjade says; hello again Al-Quraishi. I have saved your post to disc as my computer Time is running out. I will read and reply to all of it please have patience.
My name is Starjade I am the Deuteronomy Doomsday prophet Starjade.
Al-Quraishi you said; Nice to meet you Starjade, Deuteronomy Prophet eh? Er, we'll discuss that a little later, right now we'll deal with what you came on the forum for.
Starjade says; Well we shall see? Yes Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verses 15/18 Doomsday prophet. That very specific Deuteronomy Prophet that the living God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. I do not doubt you find that hard to believe but it can and already has been established by the law of Deuteronomy chapter 19 verses 15 onwards. The evidence. http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chaptertwo.htm
By the way all those links worked on this forum when I tried them. So I know they work. Sometimes the web site can get overloaded and gives a non display thingy. Try again in about 1 hour if that happens. OK.
Starjade says; Oh goody you want to challenge my claim to being that Deuteronomy Prophet. Wonderful. I love chatting about that fact. Be wary though for unbelievable as it sounds I am genuine. I have left a link above to show the evidence in according with Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 law. And I am also a part of this equation.
I am writing a Sura 482 challenge on conspiracy central. The challenge is 20 pages long already. The Muslims there do not respect Islamic law or the Sura 482 of the Koran. This web site got a mention so I asked Horseonewheels to come and invite all you Muslims to come to conspiracy central and attempt to defend the Koran and the silly claims of Muhammad from my God given revelations.
He thought you were all the ones for that task. I say it is impossible for any muslim on this planet to defend the Koran or the silly claims of Muhammad from my Revelations that already have proven that the Koran does not come from God and that Muhammad is a liar and a fraud and presumptuous to think he could speak in Gods name. I left a link so you can find the Sura 482 challenge in the religion and occult section. I invite all your Islamic scholars and imams and Islamic leaders to come and give your accounts and attempt to defend the Koran and the silly claims of Muhammad from this Sura 4 82 challenge.Horseonwheels said you can but would not come here to invite the followers of islam into those conversations. So I came here in person to issue the Sura; 4-82 challenge to you personally. Already those Sura 482 conversations are in full swing and as usual islam and the Koran and the silly claims of Muhammad have bitten the Dust. So why not come to Conspiracy central and shows me what you all have got.
Conspiracy Central.
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As he would not come here to invite you to help those Muslims on that web site I have come here to issue the Sura 482 challenge and invite you to take part in those conversations if you dare.Al-Quraishi you said; Ok then, I pluck up the courage to converse about this issue with you.
Starjade laughs; be wary now I am not a novice and many have come before you so very many and they were also Islamic experts. They all bit the Dust. Come to Conspiracy Central and read what you will have to face before you count your chickens. I am most formidable.
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Be wary now for I am not a novice and to this day no Muslim has been able to defend the Koran or the claims of Muhammad from my God given RevelationsAl-Quraishi you said; Don't worry, I have been sufficiently warned by you, I shall be weary.
Starjade says; I think you mean wary but will become weary.
Al-Quraishi you said; So let's start shall we? We need to clear some things up first Quote http//conspiracycentral.info/index.php?showtopic=14194&view=getnewpost
Your link's broke.Starjade says; I have re linked you. You will have to register. Its only takes a minute then searth the forum for religion and occult. Those links worked already with me. But yesterday they did have a glitch on their computer when I returned to it after posting here. It has since cleared. http//conspiracycentral.info/index.php?showtopic=14194&view=getnewpost
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There is a law in the religion of Islam that says if you know something that is not true then you must be unafraid, stand up, and state it.Al-Quraishi you said; Please source this law.
Starjade says; This is a law that has been quoted to me by Islamic experts. Several different Muslims have quoted that law to me in the early days of my learning about the religion of islam. The law is genuine and you would have to go ask your imam for its source. The Muslims who goaded me to challenge islam with my revelations asked if I would object to only speaking of the religion of Islam under that Islamic law. So we all agreed. The matter would then be discussed and whatever is found to be false must be rejected as being false and whatever is found to be true must be accepted as being true.
You do realise then if you take on this challenge you would and should have to reject the Koran and the claims of Muhammad. Neither came from nor were they sent from God and this is a fact that is already proven. My computer Time is ending. So I shall have to reply to the rest of what you have said on another day. Meanwhile on conspiracy central I have said a whole lot more. Please do read all 20 pages to catch up on what has been said. Then reply if you dare and if you can. Take care Byeee (pop) gone?
P.S. Love the collection of smilies.
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Starjade says; This is a law that has been quoted to me by Islamic experts. Several different Muslims have quoted that law to me in the early days of my learning about the religion of islam. The law is genuine and you would have to go ask your imam for its source. The Muslims who goaded me to challenge islam with my revelations asked if I would object to only speaking of the religion of Islam under that Islamic law. So we all agreed. The matter would then be discussed and whatever is found to be false must be rejected as being false and whatever is found to be true must be accepted as being true.
You do realise then if you take on this challenge you would and should have to reject the Koran and the claims of Muhammad. Neither came from nor were they sent from God and this is a fact that is already proven. My computer Time is ending. So I shall have to reply to the rest of what you have said on another day. Meanwhile on conspiracy central I have said a whole lot more. Please do read all 20 pages to catch up on what has been said. Then reply if you dare and if you can. Take care Byeee (pop) gone?
P.S. Love the collection of smilies.
Your claims and challenges are mere bluff and you need a head doctor
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This is a law that has been quoted to me by Islamic experts. Several different Muslims have quoted that law to me in the early days of my learning about the religion of islam. The law is genuine and you would have to go ask your imam for its source.
Imams decide the laws lol. Have fun Quraishi, don't say we didn't warn you!
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I have yet to see any INTERNAL contradictions with the quran. The quran contradicting the bible does not mean the quran is contradictory. Sorry
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I do find much discrepancy. I think it says the earth is flat, the sky is a physical covering or canopy, the sun orbits the earth and meteors are thrown at things or fired at things. To me, a 21st century person, this is much discrepancy, just like it says one will find. Muhammad just didn't realize it back then. After all, how could he? Who would have ever guessed the true nature of meteorites as dust and debris? I wouldn't have. It's totally counter to what the naked eye tells us. Who would have guessed that the flames supposedly shooting across the sky were not a sign of the protection of the lowest heaven, as the Quran clearly says, but rather are actually a sign of the protection of the earth? But that's what it is. And yet the Quran got this backwards as most people's intuition and naked eye would as well. Allah had a 7th century understanding of the cosmos. Clearly.
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I do find much discrepancy. I think it says the earth is flat, the sky is a physical covering or canopy, the sun orbits the earth and meteors are thrown at things or fired at things. To me, a 21st century person, this is much discrepancy, just like it says one will find. Muhammad just didn't realize it back then. After all, how could he? Who would have ever guessed the true nature of meteorites as dust and debris? I wouldn't have. It's totally counter to what the naked eye tells us. Who would have guessed that the flames supposedly shooting across the sky were not a sign of the protection of the lowest heaven, as the Quran clearly says, but rather are actually a sign of the protection of the earth? But that's what it is. And yet the Quran got this backwards as most people's intuition and naked eye would as well. Allah had a 7th century understanding of the cosmos. Clearly.
Wow, nice choice of words (bold).
Bring forth verses, with the Arabic, and show us every error you speak of, if you are truthful. In the other thread, it has already been proven that it DOES NOT mean "flat." There is no getting around this. However, instead of openmindedly admitting a mistake, you continue to grasp the straws.
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Wow, nice choice of words (bold).
Bring forth verses, with the Arabic, and show us every error you speak of, if you are truthful. In the other thread, it has already been proven that it DOES NOT mean "flat."
Ummm...no it hasn't yet. Did you see my response? Do you think any old answer constitutes a refutation? I don't think so. Read my response. Just because someone can type words, doesn't mean the point has been answered for as much as you appear to wish it was.
There is no getting around this. However, instead of openmindedly admitting a mistake, you continue to grasp the straws.
What mistake? Be very specific and very clear. So far, it's not there.
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Ummm...no it hasn't yet. Did you see my response? Do you think any old answer constitutes a refutation? I don't think so. Read my response. Just because someone can type words, doesn't mean the point has been answered for as much as you appear to wish it was.
What mistake? Be very specific and very clear. So far, it's not there.
There is no mention of anyhting flat. None. You are only left with manipulation to get the meaning you want.
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Your claims and challenges are mere bluff and you need a head doctor P
Starjade says; I am here challenging the whole of islam and inviting you to bring along all your islamic scholars and imams and your most hard core wanna cut your head of muslims to defend the koran and the claims of Muhammad. It would be foolish of you to think I was bluffing. I can walk the walk and talk the talk and everything I do with regards to religious matters is something I take very seriously. Do not let my sense of humour sway you. I am the challenger of Islam and it is Islam that is always biting the Dust.
It seems you Muslims are not as religious as you claim. Why would you be afraid to back your mouths up on your islamic claims. The Sura 482 is that chance to get things out in the open. One way or another. Either islam is true or it is presumptuous to think it can speak in Gods name.
Now I am prepared to back my mouth up. So what about you. Dont you think your religion is strong enough to stand against just one man. Or do you already realise I am going to eat you all for breakfast. eat rotfl
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Wow, nice choice of words (bold).
Bring forth verses, with the Arabic, and show us every error you speak of, if you are truthful. In the other thread, it has already been proven that it DOES NOT mean "flat." There is no getting around this. However, instead of openmindedly admitting a mistake, you continue to grasp the straws.
Starjade laughs; Oh not the old must be in Arabic ploy. The Koran is not written in pure Arabic and never has been.
There are many foreign words or phrases which are employed in the Qur'an, some of which have no Arabic equivalent, and others which do.
Arthur Jeffrey, in his book Foreign Vocabulary of the , has gathered some 300 pages dealing with foreign words in the Qur'an, many of which must have been used in pre-Qur'anic Arabic, but quite a number also which must have been used little or not at all before they were included in the Qur'an. One must wonder why these words were borrowed, as it puts doubt on whether "Allah's language" is sufficient enough to explain and reveal all that Allah had intended. Some of the foreign words include
a. Pharaoh an Egyptian word which means king or potentate, which is repeated in the Qur'an 84 times.
b. Adam and Eden Accadian words which are repeated 24 times. A more correct term for "Adam" in Arabic would be basharan or insan, meaning "mankind." "Eden" would be the word janna in Arabic, which means "garden."
c. Abraham (sometimes recorded as Ibrahim) comes from the Assyrian language. The correct Arabic equivalent would be Abu Raheem.
d. Persian words
i. Haroot and Maroot are Persian names for angels.
ii. Sirat meaning "the path" has the Arabic equivalent, Altareeq.
iii. Hoor meaning "disciple" has the Arabic equivalent, Tilmeeth.
iv. Jinn meaning "good or evil demons" has the Arabic equivalent, Ruh. v.Firdaus meaning "the highest or seventh heaven" has the Arabic equivalent, Jannah.e. Syriac words Taboot, Taghouth, Zakat, Malakout are all Syriac words which have been borrowed and included in the 'Arabic' Qur'an.
f. Hebrew words Heber, Sakinah, Maoon, Taurat, Jehannim, Tufan (deluge) are all Hebrew words which have been borrowed and included in the 'Arabic' Qur'an.
g. Greek words Injil, which means "gospel" was borrowed, yet it has the Arabic equivalent, Bisharah. Iblis is not Arabic, but a corruption of the Greek word Diabolos.
h. Christian Aramaic Qiyama is the Aramaic word for resurrection.
i. Christian Ethiopic Malak (233) is the Ethiopic word for angel.Starjade says; Muhammad believed the earth was flat and the sun set in a pool of muddy water. The question is do you Muslims believe Muhammad was right.
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I am invoking this Islamic law to open up serious religious discussions and Revelations with Muslims.Al-Quraishi you said; If you are invoking Islamic law, then if someone proves you wrong does that mean you will abide by it's judgements?
Starjade says; To err is human. We can all make mistakes. However, If someone proves that the errors I have listed are not errors that exist in the Koran then of course I shall accept it. That law governs that conversation by agreement from both sides. What is true is true and what is false is false. A female Muslim called Hafsa managed to dispute two of the hundreds of errors that exist in the Koran and I saw that was so and I withdrew them. Should you visit the End of Times web site you can find those conversations in the why Islam bites the Dust thread. You can then see that will be so for yourself.
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The facts are that if just one error exists in the Koran then that is proof that the Koran does not come from God.Al-Quraishi you said; Well according to what you've just said, the facts don't state that.
Starjade says; point is taken. I oft forget the original challenge from the followers of islam when they goaded me was to find just one error in the Koran. However, after reading the Sura 482 of the Koran it states much discrepancy. So then, I went with that and showed much discrepancy in the Koran. Do you dispute that discrepancies are errors. I have shown hundreds of error found in the Koran and the beliefs of Muhammad and islam as a whole. I also named 11 Chapters of the Koran that glorify jesus as being the Prophet that jesus has proclaimed himself to being as also being many errors in the Koran. Too many for Muslims to account for. Especially considering the silly claims of Muhammad and Muhammads personal belief in Jesus.
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Sura 482 of the Koran says; do they not consider the Koran with care for if it had come from any other than Allah then surely they would have found much discrepancy therein.Al-Quraishi you said; Please take the time to read what you're posting in order that you may stop contradicting yourself, the verse says that if it isn't from God then surely they would find much discrepancy therein, you will need to elaborate on your claim of
Starjade says; I got your point the first time and also pointed that out to the Muslims who goaded me to challenge islam. I then staggered them with errors found in the Koran and they who challenged me shirked the Sura 482 challenge. Over 1000 Muslims found they could not defend the Koran or the claims of Muhammad and Islam bit the Dust. The word Allah means Supreme God and though Muslims give worship to Hubal alilah that is simply the moon god of the Arabs. It is not the Supreme God. The supreme God is the Living God of Moses and of Starjade. That is by the way the Living White Sphere that lives beyond the Veil of the Abyss in deep space.
So upon that understanding I am not trying to prove that the Koran came from the pagan moon god Hubal alilah as that would be just too silly, but what I am proving is that the Koran does not come from the living God of Abraham and of Moses and of the much loved Deuteronomy Prophet Starjade. Do you understand what I have said. ?
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The facts are that if just one error exists in the Koran then that is proof that the Koran does not come from God.Al-Quraishi you said; Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I disagree with you, you just need to backup your claims, that's all.
Starjade says; even though I shall and have staggered you Muslims with many errors that exist in the Koran it is still a fact that if one error exists in the Koran that is not true then that is still proof that the Koran does not come from the Living God. The Living God does not make mistakes. Do not forget also that the silly claim of Muhammad is that the words of the Koran came from the (cough) Angel Gabriel. Do you admit that this Angel Gabriel has made some mistake?
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Of course it is known by history and many religious scholars that the god that Muhammad gave his worship to was in fact Hubal al'ilah, a pagan moon god worshipped throughout the middle east and Hubal alilah goes by many names one of them being that of Sin. The origin of to worship in Sin.Al-Quraishi you said; Please back this up with facts.
Starjade says; I already have on Conspiracy Central. And I was being brief as it is a lot of data. Do not forget this Sura 482 challenge here is an invitation to all Muslims to to go to that open Sura 482 challenge discussion. The Muslims there are shirkers and powerless against me. I have that effect on people.
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The Archeology of The Middle East
Archaeologists have uncovered temples to the Moon-god throughout the Middle East. From the mountains of Turkey to the banks of the Nile, the most wide-spread religion of the ancient world was the worship of the Moon-god. In the first literate civilization, the Sumerians have left us thousands of clay tablets in which they described their religious beliefs. As demonstrated by Sjoberg and Hall, the ancient Sumerians worshipped a Moon-god who was called many different names. The most popular names were Nanna, Suen and Asimbabbar. His symbol was the crescent moon. Given the amount of artifacts concerning the worship of this Moon-god, it is clear that this was the dominant religion in Sumeria. The cult of the Moon-god was the most popular religion throughout ancient Mesopotamia. The Assyrians, Babylonians, and the Akkadians took the word Suen and transformed it into the word Sin as their favorite name for the Moon-god. As Prof. Potts pointed out, "Sin is a name essentially Sumerian in origin which had been borrowed by the Semites."
In ancient Syria and Canna, the Moon-god Sin was usually represented by the moon in its crescent phase. At times the full moon was placed inside the crescent moon to emphasize all the phases of the moon. The sun-goddess was the wife of Sin and the stars were their daughters. For example, Istar was a daughter of Sin. Sacrifices to the Moon-god are described in the Pas Shamra texts. In the Ugaritic texts, the Moon-god was sometimes called Kusuh. In Persia, as well as in Egypt, the Moon-god is depicted on wall murals and on the heads of statues. He was the Judge of men and gods. The Old Testament constantly rebuked the worship of the Moon-god (see Deut. 419;173; II Kngs. 213,5; 235; Jer. 82; 1913; Zeph. 15, etc.)
When Israel fell into idolatry, it was usually the cult of the Moon-god. As a matter of fact, everywhere in the ancient world, the symbol of the crescent moon can be found on seal impressions, steles, pottery, amulets, clay tablets, cylinders, weights, earrings, necklaces, wall murals, etc. In Tell-el-Obeid, a copper calf was found with a crescent moon on its forehead. An idol with the body of a bull and the head of man has a crescent moon inlaid on its forehead with shells. In Ur, the Stela of Ur-Nammu has the crescent symbol placed at the top of the register of gods because the Moon-god was the head of the gods. Even bread was baked in the form of a crescent as an act of devotion to the Moon-god. The Ur of the Chaldees was so devoted to the Moon-god that it was sometimes called Nannar in tablets from that time period.
A temple of the Moon-god has been excavated in Ur by Sir Leonard Woolley. He dug up many examples of moon worship in Ur and these are displayed in the British Museum to this day. Harran was likewise noted for its devotion to the Moon-god. In the 1950's a major temple to the Moon-god was excavated at Hazer in Palestine. Two idols of the moon god were found. Each was a stature of a man sitting upon a throne with a crescent moon carved on his chest . The accompanying inscriptions make it clear that these were idols of the Moon-god. Several smaller statues were also found which were identified by their inscriptions as the "daughters" of the Moon-god. What about Arabia? As pointed out by Prof. Coon, "Muslims are notoriously loath to preserve traditions of earlier paganism and like to garble what pre-Islamic history they permit to survive in anachronistic terms."
During the nineteenth century, Amaud, Halevy and Glaser went to Southern Arabia and dug up thousands of Sabean, Minaean, and Qatabanian inscriptions which were subsequently translated. In the 1940's, the archeologists G. Caton Thompson and Carleton S. Coon made some amazing discoveries in Arabia. During the 1950's, Wendell Phillips, W.F. Albright, Richard Bower and others excavated sites at Qataban, Timna, and Marib (the ancient capital of Sheba). Thousands of inscriptions from walls and rocks in Northern Arabia have also been collected. Reliefs and votive bowls used in worship of the "daughters of Allah" have also been discovered. The three daughters, al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat are sometimes depicted together with Allah the Moon-god represented by a crescent moon above them. The archeological evidence demonstrates that the dominant religion of Arabia was the cult of the Moon-god.
In Old Testament times, Nabonidus (555-539 BC), the last king of Babylon, built Tayma, Arabia as a center of Moon-god worship. Segall stated, "South Arabia's stellar religion has always been dominated by the Moon-god in various variations." Many scholars have also noticed that the Moon-god's name "Sin" is a part of such Arabic words as "Sinai," the "wilderness of Sin," etc. When the popularity of the Moon-god waned elsewhere, the Arabs remained true to their conviction that the Moon-god was the greatest of all gods. While they worshipped 360 gods at the Kabah in Mecca, the Moon-god was the chief deity. Mecca was in fact built as a shrine for the Moon-god.
This is what made it the most sacred site of Arabian paganism. In 1944, G. Caton Thompson revealed in her book, The Tombs and Moon Temple of Hureidha, that she had uncovered a temple of the Moon-god in southern Arabia. The symbols of the crescent moon and no less than twenty-one inscriptions with the name Sin were found in this temple. An idol which may be the Moon-god himself was also discovered. This was later confirmed by other well-known archeologists.The evidence reveals that the temple of the Moon-god was active even in the Christian era. Evidence gathered from both North and South Arabia demonstrate that Moon-god worship was clearly active even in Muhammad's day and was still the dominant cult. According to numerous inscriptions, while the name of the Moon-god was Sin, his title was al-ilah, i.e. "the deity," meaning that he was the chief or high god among the gods. As Coon pointed out, "The god Il or Ilah was originally a phase of the Moon God." The Moon-god was called al-ilah, i.e. the god, which was shortened to Allah in pre-Islamic times. The pagan Arabs even used Allah in the names they gave to their children. For example, both Muhammad's father and uncle had Allah as part of their names.
The fact that they were given such names by their pagan parents proves that Allah was the title for the Moon-god even in Muhammad's day. Prof. Coon goes on to say, "Similarly, under Mohammed's tutelage, the relatively anonymous Ilah, became Al-Ilah, The God, or Allah, the Supreme Being."
This fact answers the questions, "Why is Allah never defined in the Qur'an? Why did Muhammad assume that the pagan Arabs already knew who Allah was?" Muhammad was raised in the religion of the Moon-god Allah. But he went one step further than his fellow pagan Arabs. While they believed that Allah, i.e. the Moon-god, was the greatest of all gods and the supreme deity in a pantheon of deities, Muhammad decided that Allah was not only the greatest god but the only god.
In effect he said, "Look, you already believe that the Moon-god Allah is the greatest of all gods. All I want you to do is to accept that the idea that he is the only god. I am not taking away the Allah you already worship. I am only taking away his wife and his daughters and all the other gods." This is seen from the fact that the first point of the Muslim creed is not, "Allah is great" but "Allah is the greatest," i.e., he is the greatest among the gods. Why would Muhammad say that Allah is the "greatest" except in a polytheistic context? The Arabic word is used to contrast the greater from the lesser. That this is true is seen from the fact that the pagan Arabs never accused Muhammad of preaching a different Allah than the one they already worshipped. This "Allah" was the Moon-god according to the archeological evidence. Muhammad thus attempted to have it both ways. To the pagans, he said that he still believed in the Moon-god Allah. To the Jews and the Christians, he said that Allah was their God too. But both the Jews and the Christians knew better and that is why they rejected his god Allah as a false god.
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Al-Kindi, one of the early Christian apologists against Islam, pointed out that Islam and its god Allah did not come from the Bible but from the paganism of the Sabeans. They did not worship the God of the Bible but the Moon-god and his daughters al-Uzza, al-Lat and Manat. Dr. Newman concludes his study of the early Christian-Muslim debates by stating, "Islam proved itself to be...a separate and antagonistic religion which had sprung up from idolatry." Islamic scholar Caesar Farah concluded "There is no reason, therefore, to accept the idea that Allah passed to the Muslims from the Christians and Jews."
The Arabs worshipped the Moon-god as a supreme deity. But this was not biblical monotheism. While the Moon-god was greater than all other gods and goddesses, this was still a polytheistic pantheon of deities. Now that we have the actual idols of the Moon-god, it is no longer possible to avoid the fact that Allah was a pagan god in pre-Islamic times. Is it any wonder then that the symbol of Islam is the crescent moon? That a crescent moon sits on top of their mosques and minarets? That a crescent moon is found on the flags of Islamic nations? That the Muslims fast during the month which begins and ends with the appearance of the crescent moon in the sky?
The symbol of the worship of the moon god in Arabian culture and elsewhere throughout the Middle East was the crescent moon.
Archaeologists have dug up numerous statues and hieroglyphic inscriptions in which a crescent moon was seated on top of the head of the deity to symbolize the worship of the moon god. In the same fashion as the sun is pictured above the Egyptian deity.
While the moon was generally worshiped as a female deity in the Ancient Near East, the Arabs viewed it as a male deity.
The Quraysh tribe into which Muhammad was born was particularly devoted to Allah, the moon god, and especially to Allah's three daughters who were viewed as intercessors between the people and Allah.
The worship of the three goddesses, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat, played a significant role in the worship at the Kabah in Mecca. The first two daughters of Allah had names which were feminine forms of Allah.
The literal Arabic name of Muhammad's father was Abd-Allah. His uncle's name was Obied-Allah. These names reveal the personal devotion that Muhammad's pagan family had to the worship of Allah, the moon god.
An Allah idol was set up at the Kabba along with all the other idols. The pagans prayed toward Mecca and the Kabba because that is where their gods were stationed.It only made sense to them to face in the direction of their god and then pray. Since the idol of their moon god, Allah, was at Mecca, they prayed toward Mecca.
The worship of the moon god extended far beyond the Allah-worship in Arabia. The entire fertile crescent was involved in the worship of the moon.
This, in part, explains the early success of Islam among Arab groups that traditionally had worshiped the moon god.
The use of the crescent moon as the symbol for Islam which is placed on the flags of Islamic nations and on the top of mosques and minarets is a throwback to the days when Allah was worshiped as the moon god in Mecca.
Starjade concludes. There is staggering amounts of data on the pagan moon god and many Islamic scholars I spoke with knew all about it. Usually I find the ordinary man in the street does not realize who he is really giving worship too. But hey if they are religious then it was not hard to find that out. You Muslims are going to have to stop worshipping the moon for that is a detestable thing in the eyes of the Living God. -
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However, the reference in the Sura 482 of the Koran when it mentions Allah was obviously meant to mean the living God of Abraham and of Moses. The reason why that must be so is because the name Allah means the Supreme God and it is well known that there is only one true Living God and that is the Living God of Abraham and of Moses.The pretence of Islam in todays world is that Muslims are now giving worship to that living God of Moses. When in fact they hide the truth and give their worship to Hubal alilah the false pagan moon god. Worshipping in Sin.
Al-Quraishi you said; These two paragraphs contradict your previous claim.
Starjade says; Life is a contradiction. You do not explain your view at length leaving things open to speculation. The difficulty arises in the problem of my speaking with people who worship the Moon but think God is called Allah and that is how they call God. However, when I speak of the Living God I am speaking of the Living God of Abraham and of Moses. I am not speaking of the moon. So I try and point out that distinction for the understanding of those I am speaking to. The Muslims God Allah is the pagan moon god Hubal alilah which they call now call Allah but then they go about claiming that this Allah is the Living God of Abraham and of Moses when it is not. The claim is that the Koran comes from the Living God of Abraham and of Moses hence Muhammads claims that he is that prophet that god promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. And so then by that claim the claim that Allah is the God of Abraham and of Moses has been instigated. So I am showing by the Sura 482 of the Koran that the Koran does not come from the Living God of Abraham.
There is only one true Living God and Muhammad is claiming the Koran came from that Living God. I can prove to the otherwise and easily I add.
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In reply to the Muslim who challenged me with the Sura 482. I wrote out 21 errors that exist in the Koran that to this day stand undisputed. A link to those 21 errors in the Koran is linked below.Al-Quraishi you said; Well Starjade, quite conveniently (or unconveniently depending on how you look at it) your second link does not work
Starjade says; they work on my computer. However, ole moderator carrot head moved this thread here away from the sight of the multitudes and that may have affected the links on transference. But still I say they work on my computer for I checked them. I like to display the links I give as it saves my writing it all out over and over again. I assure you I am not a deceptive person and if I give a link it links to other written words. You will also find many more links on Conspiracy Central and on many other web sites around the world.
http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/surahfoureighthytwo.html
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http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/surahfoureighthytwo.htmlAl-Quraishi you said; Oh but wait, it does! You seemed to have put a rather bizarre space between ht and ml! I wonder why that is? How bizarre!
Starjade says; I copy cut and paste conversations into word to reply to and this just came up. It must be a computer glitch for I copy cut and paste the links from the address bar. All lnks I tried when I posted them they did work. No matter at least you got through.
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When those Muslims goaded me to challenge Islam with my Revelations, I accepted that challenge however, I challenged the whole of Islam and not just a few and the Islamic law I have invoked states you will have to reject the Koran and the claims of Muhammad. If you do not then what kind of Muslim does that make you.? I say it would make you a Kuffar shirking idolizer of a false prophet who was presumptuous to think he could speak in Gods name. That then makes you all guilty of blasphemy and that something detestable in the eyes of the Living God.Al-Quraishi you said; Starjade may I humbly offer some advice? Instead of insulting people, why don't you please elaborate, what is the true religion and who are it's true followers?
You're throwing some BIG accusations around Starjade. Some BIG accusations.
Starjade doth say; Oh come now you know as well as I do that Muslims and others will want to respond when I make such accusations against them and with such arrogance. It makes their teeth gnash and draws them into conversations that many consider to be taboo.
If Muslims ignore the Islamic law I have invoked and by their own request. As I see one Muslim answers for the other as a collective then they are ignoring their own Islamic laws. The conclusion of that agreed upon law means Muslims will have to reject the Koran and the silly claims of Muhammad. This is done because the Koran they follow states if errors are found in the Koran then that is the proof that the Koran does not come from God. I can show lists of errors found in the Koran so that is already a known foregone conclusion. So then Muslims cannot think it is alright to suddenly ignore the Koran when it stands against them and their beliefs and the claims of Muhammad. What Kind of Muslim is that.
Well from experience I can say they are Kuffar (those who hide the truth) and they are shirkers. And I expect every Muslim on this Planet to agree with me on that matter. I have met many shirkers of this challenge. As I have said I can back up what I say and Muslims do not like that revelation and its reality. But it was agreed to accept what is proven to be true and to reject what is found to not be true. They cannot back out of the Sura 482 challenge as a matter of convenience when they realise they lost the argument.
My personal annoyance is that these Revelations save them from themselves and the unwitting acts of blasphemy they had been led into since they were children. One would think they would be glad that it was revealed they unwittingly worship the moon and follow a false prophet and false religious doctrine of which of course is the Koran.
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Be very wary now for many religious scholars have come before you trying to dispute the Revelations I have given and the many errors that exist in the Koran and the word of Muhammad in a futile attempt to defend Islam. Every one of them has bitten the Dust. I am not a Novice and I suggest you go tell your imams and Islamic scholars what I have said here and dare them to come online to face me.Al-Quraishi you said; As I said, I shall be wary, but please, where are the records and proof of these so many religious scholars who have been proven wrong by you? Please provide us with links to your arguments for the sake of your own reputation.
Starjade says; that is a good thing for you to be wary. Do not take me for a fool for I am very serious about all of my religious conversations and all the things that I say. Many have come before you and so very many underestimated me and my Revelations to their cost. I am being right nice to forewarn you so you will be careful. It is unlikely that you will not say something that some other has already said before you. So to me such conversations are like d?j? vu whiles to you it is enquiry and Revelation.
I have been on the Internet since 1996 and so they exist on many forums around the world some now have closed and some kept on records. I display some on the End of Times web site in my conversations with Muslims. My most favourite Islamic scholar called himself Mahi and he had a staggering knowledge of many religions. Alas we lost contact. You know stuff happens. The rest of those conversations are on disc as I save data if the conversations are worthy. So I do keep records. However, let us get on with the conversations of the Sura 482 challenge instead of misdirections away from the topic of these discussions. Already you can see that I know a thing or two.
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Be aware that when I speak of the Living God. I am speaking of the Living White Sphere that lives beyond the Veil of the Abyss in deep space, and there is only one living God.Al-Quraishi you said; Ok, we'll converse this whole Qur'an discrepancy thing, then after that I am very interested to hear more about the Living White Sphere that lives beyond the Veil of the Abyss in deep space and all your other beliefs.
Starjade says; I am not somebody who has beliefs. I have a knowledge of the Living God that is done by direct operation from my own death way back in 1980. I have a personal knowledge of the Living God. So I know the Living God exists and so then it is a knowledge and not a belief.
The Sura 482 challenge is already 20 pages long and still rising on the Conspiracy forum. I would have thought your moderators would have preferred such conversations that devastate Islam be better displayed elsewhere. But well you know how word gets about. People do talk. It is already 2,467 views long. Still Muslims have not dared approach those errors sensibly. Especially the 11 chapters of the Koran that glorify jesus as being that prophet that Jesus has proclaimed himself as being. Even though the writers of the Koran did not know then just who it is that jesus has proclaimed himself to being and being rather religiously ignorant as to why those silly Roman Christians called Jesus the king of the Jews. All Muslims shirk those 11 Chapters of errors found in the Koran. That is of course much more discrepancy than any of you Muslims would like. Too bad I then posted so many more.
You sound like a scholar with reasonable religious knowledge. Your input would be valued. But take some good advice from the genuine Deuteronomy Prophet. Do bring along as many Islamic scholars as you can because truly you will need them and I ask that you go and tell your imam what has been said here. I have challenged the whole of islam and I want your religious leaders to be fully aware that they and the whole of Islam bit the Dust.