where is Allah?
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No i don't get it, and you're merely hiding the reason that the Quran refers to Allah as "he". Brahma? Yes, i don't see a strong gender assignment to that. But Allah? who are you kidding? He's definitely male. Who cares if he has a penis or not, the Quran certainly did choose "he" and not "she", and in the Hindu scriptures, Brahma apparently has no gender ever mentioned, so it is indeed possible to write religious scriptures without referring to God in a gender, unless one intends to do so. So this is absolute bunk, and a little excuse that someone created for you to make Islam fit the modern day understanding of fairness where men and women are more equal than in Judaeo Christian scriptures.
Second lesson in Arabic for you
Arabic has three genders expressed by two particles he and she, no speific particle for the non-specified-gendered/neutre nouns. (i.e a bi-gendered language)
***"She" is specific to feminine (humans; objects; animals; plants..);
***"he" is specific to
1- masculine (humans; animals; objects; plants..) and2- The "unkown/neutre/genderless", whether it is a creation or God Himself. For "someone" or "nobody" for example, in Arabic we refer to this person as "he", who might turn out to be a "she". This has nothing to do with faith or fairness. Each language has its characteristics. You cannot refer to something wihout gender except in languages that have three particles for the three cases of gender. French is the same as Arabic in this since it is a bi-gendered language. English, though not gendered, has its gender-based bias. Language is not prejudiced. The way people use it is.
English is not gendered. How do we refer to "God" in English? If we say "She", then we decided that God is feminine. But if we want to refer to Him as "genderless", we use "He" which is also used for the neutre.
It is also worth noting that the masculine plual is either a group of males only, or a group where there is at least one male. A feminine plural is ONLY for a group of 100% females.
And a last note The women movement that inspired politically correct changes to the English language (e.g. chairperson instead of chairman; them/their instead of he/his; herstory for history of women...etc) was inspired or triggered by the heavy anti woman bias in the Christian thought (story of the Fall; longer impurity after birth of female than that of male...) and the bias in the usage of the English language in general {Mister/mistress; professional (for male) and professional (for female)}
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that's the funniest thing i've ever read, oh yeah the 'judeo christian scriptures' don't blame 'adam's sin on eve' ! Not at all !
Read it again. i said that Muslims try to falsely represent Islam as the fairer religion between men and women. What part didn't you understand?
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1 Corinthians 1433-35 As in all the congregations of the saints, 34women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. 35If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
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No i don't get it, and you're merely hiding the reason that the Quran refers to Allah as "he". Brahma? Yes, i don't see a strong gender assignment to that. But Allah? who are you kidding? He's definitely male. Who cares if he has a penis or not, the Quran certainly did choose "he" and not "she", and in the Hindu scriptures, Brahma apparently has no gender ever mentioned, so it is indeed possible to write religious scriptures without referring to God in a gender, unless one intends to do so. So this is absolute bunk, and a little excuse that someone created for you to make Islam fit the modern day understanding of fairness where men and women are more equal than in Judaeo Christian scriptures.
Arnold,
I think you are mistaken. Like I posted previously, if GOD is a male it will contradiction other verses of the Quran (573). So it is clear he is neither male nor female. PLUS, in Arabic, everything have gender value, even dirt. ALSO, there are indeed names of GOD within the Quran that indeed grammatically feminine (11 Ar-Rahman, Ar-Raheem) I believe. -
Arnold,
I think you are mistaken. Like I posted previously, if GOD is a male it will contradiction other verses of the Quran (573).What?
573 He is the First and the Last, the Evident and the Immanent and He has full knowledge of all things
How does a male Allah contradict this verse? In fact, it even uses the word "he".
So it is clear he is neither male nor female.
No it isn't clear. Don't be so hasty
PLUS, in Arabic, everything have gender value, even dirt. ALSO, there are indeed names of GOD within the Quran that indeed grammatically feminine (11 Ar-Rahman, Ar-Raheem) I believe.
Most Gracious is feminine?
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Like I posted previously, if GOD is a male it will contradiction other verses of the Quran (573). So it is clear he is neither male nor female. PLUS, in Arabic, everything have gender value, even dirt. ALSO, there are indeed names of GOD within the Quran that indeed grammatically feminine (11 Ar-Rahman, Ar-Raheem) I believe.
You just presented a contradiction. ???Why is it mandatory for the God of the Quran to become gender specific (a male deity)? Why are all the "prophets" (impersonifiers) male?
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No it isn't clear. Don't be so hasty
http//free-minds.org80/forum/index.php?topic=14885.msg147857#msg147857
Second lesson in Arabic for you
Arabic has three genders expressed by two particles he and she, no speific particle for the non-specified-gendered/neutre nouns. (i.e a bi-gendered language)
***"She" is specific to feminine (humans; objects; animals; plants..);
***"he" is specific to
1- masculine (humans; animals; objects; plants..) and2- The "unkown/neutre/genderless", whether it is a creation or God Himself. For "someone" or "nobody" for example, in Arabic we refer to this person as "he", who might turn out to be a "she". This has nothing to do with faith or fairness. Each language has its characteristics. You cannot refer to something wihout gender except in languages that have three particles for the three cases of gender. French is the same as Arabic in this since it is a bi-gendered language. English, though not gendered, has its gender-based bias. Language is not prejudiced. The way people use it is.
English is not gendered. How do we refer to "God" in English? If we say "She", then we decided that God is feminine. But if we want to refer to Him as "genderless", we use "He" which is also used for the neutre.
It is also worth noting that the masculine plual is either a group of males only, or a group where there is at least one male. A feminine plural is ONLY for a group of 100% females.
And a last note The women movement that inspired politically correct changes to the English language (e.g. chairperson instead of chairman; them/their instead of he/his; herstory for history of women...etc) was inspired or triggered by the heavy anti woman bias in the Christian thought (story of the Fall; longer impurity after birth of female than that of male...) and the bias in the usage of the English language in general {Mister/mistress; professional (for male) and professional (for female)}
For the sake of your own credibility and for the sake of good logical debate, at least try to comprehend basic stuff.
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You just presented a contradiction. ???
Why is it mandatory for the God of the Quran to become gender specific (a male deity)? Why are all the "prophets" (impersonifiers) male?
The gender of a word has nothing to do with the gender of what it describes when the item itself lacks a gender?
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http//free-minds.org80/forum/index.php?topic=14885.msg147857#msg147857
i read it and it didn't make sense
***"She" is specific to feminine (humans; objects; animals; plants..);
***"he" is specific to
1- masculine (humans; animals; objects; plants..)So all you said is that he means masculine and she means feminine. So what? Everybody knows that. What's the point?
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So then why did the quran always choose "he" instead of "she"?
It uses feminine attributes also.
As for the sheer concept of gender, again, I would not blame the Quran. I would blame your brain for failing you and wronging your soul by not thinking before writing. Now, your ridiculous conception of the God as a male entity is refuted in 17111 and 1123-4, particularly 4.
For you and the other pre-schoolers there (pardon me if I am wrong, this is an estimate based on the logical content of your posts, and that alone), the role of a gender is simple. Male complements Female, but the ultimate purpose of genders is to ease reproduction, by balancing it between two living entities. Hence, the overwhelming majority of complex organisms have two genders, because a single parent would be destroyed very fast, meaning one "breadwinner" and one "carer" is required to balance the roles, and stay alive, and perpetuate the species. There are some things lacking a gender, but these don't live in a "dog-eat-dog" world - some plants, bacteria, virii and other things, which reproduce asexually.
To ascribe a gender to the creator of genders, well, if your brain is version 1.0 and above, you will have known why this is ridiculous, before even reading this sentence.
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So all you said is that he means masculine and she means feminine. So what? Everybody knows that. What's the point?
2- The "unkown/neutre/genderless", whether it is a creation or God Himself. For "someone" or "nobody" for example, in Arabic we refer to this person as "he", who might turn out to be a "she". This has nothing to do with faith or fairness. Each language has its characteristics. You cannot refer to something wihout gender except in languages that have three particles for the three cases of gender. French is the same as Arabic in this since it is a bi-gendered language. English, though not gendered, has its gender-based bias. Language is not prejudiced. The way people use it is.
English is not gendered. How do we refer to "God" in English? If we say "She", then we decided that God is feminine. But if we want to refer to Him as "genderless", we use "He" which is also used for the neutre.
It is also worth noting that the masculine plual is either a group of males only, or a group where there is at least one male. A feminine plural is ONLY for a group of 100% females.
"Everyone" apparently doesn't know or want to know the basics of this language, yet keep asking the same questions over and over when they have a simple explanation as above; it's in the way the language is.
So then why did the quran always choose "he" instead of "she"?
Why does the English language call God He? Is God a male instead of a Genderless Living White Sphere Beyond The Veil Of The Abyss?
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Is God a male instead of a Genderless Living White Sphere Beyond The Veil Of The Abyss?
That's not actually that far-fetched.
When I went to the digital re-release of The Abyss at the cinema, when the curtains unveiled the white screen the whole place came alive.
As for genderless... there was a rumour going around that the projectionist was a transexual.
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It uses feminine attributes also.
For Allah? Where?
As for the sheer concept of gender, again, I would not blame the Quran. I would blame your brain for failing you and wronging your soul by not thinking before writing. Now, your ridiculous conception of the God as a male entity is refuted in 17111 and 1123-4, particularly 4.
17111 Say "Praise be to Allah, who begets no son, and has no partner in (His) dominion Nor (needs) He any to protect Him from humiliation yea, magnify Him for His greatness and glory!"
This just says he wouldn't have a son, but that does not directly translate in him being genderless. You are attempting to stretch things.
1123 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten
1124 And there is none like unto Him
Yeah, no male like him. A unique, all powerful male
Anyway, how come it doesn't say that there is none like unto her?
For you and the other pre-schoolers there (pardon me if I am wrong, this is an estimate based on the logical content of your posts, and that alone),
Oh please, don't even bother to try it. You're wasting your time and my time.
the role of a gender is simple. Male complements Female, but the ultimate purpose of genders is to ease reproduction, by balancing it between two living entities. Hence, the overwhelming majority of complex organisms have two genders,
Yes, while the Quran says that ALL things are created in pairs. Whoops.
because a single parent would be destroyed very fast, meaning one "breadwinner" and one "carer" is required to balance the roles, and stay alive, and perpetuate the species. There are some things lacking a gender, but these don't live in a "dog-eat-dog" world - some plants, bacteria, virii and other things, which reproduce asexually.
Well, I don't know about that. But it all sounds like evolution, natural selection and survival of the fittest to me. That's what you are inadvertantly borrowing from whether you realize it or not. Remember, doesn't Allah completely decide who survives and who doesn't?. You're talking natural selection and survival of the fittest. Boy, you guys borrow from anybody.
To ascribe a gender to the creator of genders, well, if your brain is version 1.0 and above, you will have known why this is ridiculous, before even reading this sentence.
Oh, so a male can't create beings with genders? What precludes that? Anyway, why does it always say "he" instead of "she"?
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For Allah? Where?
17111 Say "Praise be to Allah, who begets no son, and has no partner in (His) dominion Nor (needs) He any to protect Him from humiliation yea, magnify Him for His greatness and glory!"
This just says he wouldn't have a son, but that does not directly translate in him being genderless. You are attempting to stretch things.
1123 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten
1124 And there is none like unto Him
Yeah, no male like him. A unique, all powerful male
Anyway, how come it doesn't say that there is none like unto her?
Oh please, don't even bother to try it. You're wasting your time and my time.
Yes, while the Quran says that ALL things are created in pairs. Whoops.
Well, I don't know about that. But it all sounds like evolution, natural selection and survival of the fittest to me. That's what you are inadvertantly borrowing from whether you realize it or not. Remember, doesn't Allah completely decide who survives and who doesn't?. You're talking natural selection and survival of the fittest. Boy, you guys borrow from anybody.
Oh, so a male can't create beings with genders? What precludes that? Anyway, why does it always say "he" instead of "she"?
See SHM's post.
This just says he wouldn't have a son, but that does not directly translate in him being genderless. You are attempting to stretch things
Actually, the role of genders is very clear and obvious. Remember, you need the RTM build of the human brain to understand. Alpha or Beta builds just won't cut it.
Yeah, no male like him. A unique, all powerful male
What a conclusion.
Oh please, don't even bother to try it. You're wasting your time and my time.
Duh...
Yes, while the Quran says that ALL things are created in pairs. Whoops.
rotfl
Well, I don't know about that. But it all sounds like evolution, natural selection and survival of the fittest to me. That's what you are inadvertantly borrowing from whether you realize it or not. Remember, doesn't Allah completely decide who survives and who doesn't?. You're talking natural selection and survival of the fittest. Boy, you guys borrow from anybody.
You are struggling between the concepts of an active and passive God. I'm borrowing from reality, which shows genders have a very specific role in creation, what are you borrowing from?
Oh, so a male can't create beings with genders? What precludes that? Anyway, why does it always say "he" instead of "she"?
We are talking about the creator of the concept of genders, not the creator of gendered beings (though they are the same thing at the grandest level). As for the latter, does it slip through one eye and come out of the other? Sheesh. To borrow your own words...
Oh please, don't even bother to try it. You're wasting your time and my time.
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es, while the Quran says that ALL things are created in pairs. Whoops.
rotfl
Oh, it doesn't say that? Oh really?
You are struggling between the concepts of an active and passive God.
I am not at all. Passive means that it's set to work on it's own. Active means that continual action has to be taken. There. Pretty simple. Now stop with the nonsense. I'm not misunderstanding anything, and I told you exactly why Allah can passively prevent the moon and sun from catching up to each other while both orbit the earth by merely setting their orbit speeds correctly. Why did you ignore that? So passive or active really doesn't have much to do with the issue becauise my idea can work passively or actively. So why do you bother? you're just creating covolutions to veer away from the heart of the matter, that's all.
I'm borrowing from reality, which shows genders have a very specific role in creation, what are you borrowing from?
Someone who could have been male and therefore created the male before the female and has given special preference to the male and always is referred to as "he" as opposed to "she".
We are talking about the creator of the concept of genders
Actually, that would be the creator of genders. WE are the creators of the concept.
not the creator of gendered beings (though they are the same thing at the grandest level). As for the latter, does it slip through one eye and come out of the other? Sheesh. To borrow your own words...
Why don't you just simply tell me why it never uses "she"? Pretty simple, right?
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Oh, it doesn't say that? Oh really?
See the word in large, bold print.
I am not at all. Passive means that it's set to work on it's own. Active means that continual action has to be taken. There. Pretty simple. Now stop with the nonsense. I'm not misunderstanding anything, and I told you exactly why Allah can passively prevent the moon and sun from catching up to each other while both orbit the earth by merely setting their orbit speeds correctly. Why did you ignore that? So passive or active really doesn't have much to do with the issue becauise my idea can work passively or actively. So why do you bother? you're just creating covolutions to veer away from the heart of the matter, that's all.
This is unrelated to the "meteor" argument. God can be either active or passive in the grandest sense, meaning that God can be the watchmaker God, or the lazy God (Be, and it is), I go with the latter.
Someone who could have been male and therefore created the male before the female and has given special preference to the male and always is referred to as "he" as opposed to "she".
Yawn...
Actually, that would be the creator of genders. WE are the creators of the concept.
Nope. The creator of the concept is the one that decided to implement the concept, who decided the roles each should follow, and so on, and so on, and who controls the balance through hormones and other biological things. God, Zeus, Allah, Ra, physics, nature, whatever. I call it, the creator.
We didn't create or assign the roles of genders, genders were around for billions of years, long before "we" came onto the scene.
Why don't you just simply tell me why it never uses "she"? Pretty simple, right?
See above, Savage_Carrot's post, Samia's post, etc.
Reproduced here
Second lesson in Arabic for you
Arabic has three genders expressed by two particles he and she, no speific particle for the non-specified-gendered/neutre nouns. (i.e a bi-gendered language)
***"She" is specific to feminine (humans; objects; animals; plants..);
***"he" is specific to
1- masculine (humans; animals; objects; plants..) and2- The "unkown/neutre/genderless", whether it is a creation or God Himself. For "someone" or "nobody" for example, in Arabic we refer to this person as "he", who might turn out to be a "she". This has nothing to do with faith or fairness. Each language has its characteristics. You cannot refer to something wihout gender except in languages that have three particles for the three cases of gender. French is the same as Arabic in this since it is a bi-gendered language. English, though not gendered, has its gender-based bias. Language is not prejudiced. The way people use it is.
English is not gendered. How do we refer to "God" in English? If we say "She", then we decided that God is feminine. But if we want to refer to Him as "genderless", we use "He" which is also used for the neutre.
It is also worth noting that the masculine plual is either a group of males only, or a group where there is at least one male. A feminine plural is ONLY for a group of 100% females.
And a last note The women movement that inspired politically correct changes to the English language (e.g. chairperson instead of chairman; them/their instead of he/his; herstory for history of women...etc) was inspired or triggered by the heavy anti woman bias in the Christian thought (story of the Fall; longer impurity after birth of female than that of male...) and the bias in the usage of the English language in general {Mister/mistress; professional (for male) and professional (for female)}
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See the word in large, bold print.
Does the Quran tell us that all things were created in pairs or not?
This is unrelated to the "meteor" argument. God can be either active or passive in the grandest sense, meaning that God can be the watchmaker God, or the lazy God (Be, and it is), I go with the latter.
So what? What's your point?
Nope. The creator of the concept is the one that decided to implement the concept, who decided the roles each should follow, and so on, and so on, and who controls the balance through hormones and other biological things. God, Zeus, Allah, Ra, physics, nature, whatever. I call it, the creator.
We didn't create or assign the roles of genders, genders were around for billions of years, long before "we" came onto the scene.
I meant that there is a reality, and then there are concepts that we create about reality through observation, but that flew right past you.
See above, Savage_Carrot's post, Samia's post, etc.
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So why does it always say he instead of she?
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***"She" is specific to feminine (humans; objects; animals; plants..);
***"he" is specific to
- masculine (humans; animals; objects; plants..) and
Dammit, this is the 4th time I've asked about this and everyone keeps repeating it. This does not say anything except for she is feminine and he is masculine. So what? That is the case in any language.
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Does the Quran tell us that all things were created in pairs or not?
So what? What's your point?
I meant that there is a reality, and then there are concepts that we create about reality through observation, but that flew right past you.
So why does it always say he instead of she?
English is not gendered. How do we refer to "God" in English? If we say "She", then we decided that God is feminine. But if we want to refer to Him as "genderless", we use "He" which is also used for the neutre.
No you don't, that's bull. Actually, if anything, inanimate things that are adored are usually referred to as she.
