Earth like an Ostrich Egg or like a Pizza?
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Well, I can show you many respected translators who disagree with you.
Again, no priesthood in Islam.
But let's go with expanded as to me, there really isn't much difference.
Again, it means He has expanded it.
So how was the earth "expanded"? Was it "enlarged" or something? Did it grow after it was created? How so?
I believe these sites might shed some light on this topic.
http//www.expanding-earth.org/
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Again, no priesthood in Islam.Again, it means He has expanded it.I believe these sites might shed some light on this topic.
http//www.expanding-earth.org/
http//microlnx.com/expansion/No no. That's "expanding" earth, not expanded earth.. We've already been through that. The expansion was something Allah did in one shot before he sent the rain down, so this isn't going to work. Maybe the earth expanded as it was cooling off? Or, maybe expanding was meant to mean the same thing as spreading out. The two can indeed mean the same thing. Expand can have the same meaning as spread out.
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No no. That's "expanding" earth, not expanded earth.. We've already been through that. The expansion was something Allah did in one shot before he sent the rain down, so this isn't going to work. Maybe the earth expanded as it was cooling off? Or, maybe expanding was meant to mean the same thing as spreading out. The two can indeed mean the same thing. Expand can have the same meaning as spread out.
God has been expanding the earth. No contradiction here.
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But what did God do to originally expand the earth?
Probably create it?
Remember, the verse is in past tense.
No it is not. It's a present perfect progressive tense.
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Probably create it?
Ummmm, no. when you expand something, something has already been created in order for you to expand it. So probably not.
It's a present perfect progressive tense.
What? The earth, we have expanded it, means that it is continually expanding? Is there nothing you won't attempt? I hope that guy explorer reads this stuff, because now he can see it's just like I told him. Nobody, nobody is more creative and twists and bends their scriptures more than Muslims. Nobody.
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Ummmm, no. when you expand something, something has already been created in order for you to expand it. So probably not.
He created it and has been expanding it.
What? The earth, we have expanded it, means that it is continually expanding? Is there nothing you won't attempt?
You obviously have no sense of Arabic grammer.
Is there nothing you won't attempt? I hope that guy explorer reads this stuff, because now he can see it's just like I told him. Nobody, nobody is more creative and twists and bends their scriptures more than Christians. Nobody.
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Break it down, and then tell me that Ibn Kathir has no understanding of Arabic grammer
When God says we blessed this land, it means that that land is blessed till today, 2171. Same thing applies to "We expanded this earth". It has been expanding until today.
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When God says we blessed this land, it means that that land is blessed till today, 2171. Same thing applies to "We expanded this earth". It has been expanding until today.
No, but that was a nice try. It means the land remains blessed and the earth remains expanded. We blessed the land and it remains blessed as it was when we blessed it. We expanded the earth and it remains expanded as it was when we expanded it.
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No, but that was a nice try. It means the land remains blessed and the earth remains expanded. We blessed the land and it remains blessed as it was when we blessed it. We expanded the earth and it remains expanded as it was when we expanded it.
That is not correct Arab grammer. It simply means God has been blessing that land, so as it means God has been expanding the earth.
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So every single translator got it wrong but you have it right? Are you kidding me? This is becoming desperate.
I do not care about translators, they uaually get things wrong especially when it comes to grammer and words that have more than one meaning.
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I do not care about translators, they uaually get things wrong especially when it comes to grammer and words that have more than one meaning.
Well, then you are better than the translators, right? You also have a better understanding than Ibn Kathir, right? Why don't you just write your own Quran? ;D
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Well, then you are better than the translators, right? You also have a better understanding than Ibn Kathir, right? Why don't you just write your own Quran? ;D
Ibn Kathir wrote exegesis, tafseer, not his own Quran.
Most people alive today in 1st and 2nd world countries have a better grasp of science than Aristotle, but where do you see the comparisons?
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Well, then you are better than the translators, right? You also have a better understanding than Ibn Kathir, right? Why don't you just write your own Quran? ;D
Cheap shot. Many Muslims and even non-Muslims know that mistranslations exist in the English versions of the Quran. Ibn Kathir tried to explain the Quran in good faith, but I strongly disagree with some of what he said, Many Muslim thinkers do too. There is nothing wrong with that, because there is no priesthood in Islam.
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Cheap shot. Many Muslims and even non-Muslims know that mistranslations exist in the English versions of the Quran.
Yes but why are YOU better than the scholars? Seems like if you don't like what they say, you'll simply put your creative cap on make up whatever you want.
Ibn Kathir tried to explain the Quran in good faith, but I strongly disagree with some of what he said, Many Muslim thinkers do too. There is nothing wrong with that, because there is no priesthood in Islam.
And there's no agreed upon meaning for the Quran then either, right? So who's Quran should I read? ;D
But let's face it, a lot of this is horse manure. It's pretty funny how there usually appears to be universal agreement on the meaning of a non problematic verses, and they are thought to be clear. But the moment a verse appears to be problematic, then immediately that becomes the mysterious verse where we don't really know what it means. Honestly, who do you people think you are fooling? How are you so unashamedly skewed and subjective?
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Yes but why are YOU better than the scholars? Seems like if you don't like what they say, you'll simply put your creative cap on make up whatever you want.
No, I'll use logic and my knowledge of Arabic and the Quran to come up with the right translation.
And there's no agreed upon meaning for the Quran then either, right? So who's Quran should I read?
If you want to read it for guidance, then go for any translation I think. The problem is in translating words that have many different meanings.
But let's face it, a lot of this is horse manure.
No, it is not.
It's pretty funny how there usually appears to be universal agreement on the meaning of a non problematic verses, and they are thought to be clear.
There is even disagreement on the "non problematic verses".
But the moment a verse appears to be problematic, then immediately that becomes the mysterious verse where we don't really know what it means.
As I said, disagreemets are there on the "problematic" and "non problematic verses". The problem mainly lies in translating words that have more than 100 different meanings.
Honestly, who do you people think you are fooling?
We are not fooling anybody, we are sincerely trying to know our religion in good faith.
How are you so unashamedly skewed and subjective?
Anyone can be sometimes skewed and subjective when it comes important matters such as faith. This is human nature.
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No, I'll use logic and my knowledge of Arabic and the Quran to come up with the right translation.
Isn't that what the translators did too? What you really mean by "right translation" is a translation that makes you feel good.
If you want to read it for guidance, then go for any translation I think.
Well, part of guidance is whther the quran tells us the earth is egg shaped or flat.
The problem is in translating words that have many different meanings.
So what? Same thing as English. you use context to figure it out.
No, it is not.There is even disagreement on the "non problematic verses".
Well, not for the most part. Clearly a skew falls on the problematic verses.
As I said, disagreemets are there on the "problematic" and "non problematic verses". The problem mainly lies in translating words that have more than 100 different meanings.We are not fooling anybody, we are sincerely trying to know our religion in good faith. Anyone can be sometimes skewed and subjective when it comes important matters such as faith. This is human nature.
Anybody who seeks the truth knows not to be skewed and subjective. That's just a normal part of a normal education that teaches one how to reason. It's commonly understood.
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Isn't that what the translators did too? What you really mean by "right translation" is a translation that makes you feel good.
They did do that but fell short on deifferent occasions. What I mean by right translation is the correct translation. Now, do not put words into my mouth, OK?
Well, part of guidance is whther the quran tells us the earth is egg shaped or flat.
I proved that that verse means the earth is expanding. I refuted all your other points except probably the sun orbit galaxy (You have not really brought an argument). I'';; respond tomorrow because I am about to break my fasting.
So what? Same thing as English. you use context to figure it out.
True.
Well, not for the most part. Clearly a skew falls on the problematic verses.
And on the "non problematic" too.
Anybody who seeks the truth knows not to be skewed and subjective. That's just a normal part of a normal education that teaches one how to reason. It's commonly understood.
Agree but I still think that everyone of us has an element of subjectivity in him.