Starjade Sura 4:82 challenges the whole of Islam.
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Starjade says; The Christians New Testament and claims are false.
Good that some Christians are finally seeing the light.
The Koran could not exist nor could the claims of Muhammad exist without the Old Testament.
The Quran existed independently of any other scriptures. Rather silly of you to consider otherwise.
As for my being a Prophet. I do not make claims I outright state that I can be established as being a genuine Porphet who does have a provable connection to the Living God. That fact by the way shows once again errors in the claims of Muhammad that stand against the actual word of the Living God and Giods Deuteronomy laws. Muhammad does not stand that high and once again is seen to be presumtuous to think he could speak in Gods name.
The evidence that can establish I am a genuine Prophet from the Living God is shown the other side of this link.
I hope someone is joking here.
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OPF said Amazing how entrenched in crap one can get, but delusions of grandeur tend to do that. For starters, neither Ibn Abbas nor the other so-called Imams are authorities on anything related to space, or generally anything other than their own perception, and their word is nothing to do with the Quran.
Starjade says; next you will be saying that Muslims and Muhammad and the words of the Koran have nothing to do with the Koran. I still will not believe you.
OPF said Your method is to take an allegorical description, and turn it into a literal description, see 37. Another of your favourite ploys is to take sources external to the Quran, usually narrations based on hearsay and conjecture - narrations made by humans who were, slightly stupid as evidenced from their text. Then you avoid the idea of taking the Arabic meanings, because it may expose your delusions.
Starjade says; So this has what exactly to do with Muhammad believing Jesus to being the Prophet jesus is claimed to be which is the long awaited Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verses 15/18 Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up n the midst of the Jews. Which is why they call him the King of the Jews.
To the matter of Muhammad then proclaiming himself to being that long awaited Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verses 15/18 prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews which is why they called Muhammad the Prophet to the Nation. Did you think Ibn Abbas mentioned that error in 11 Chapters of the Koran and the word of Muhammad.? Seems like you are being very picky on what you dare to reply too. Whiles having no explanation to these serious errors in the Koran and the beliefs of Muhammad.
OPF said The sheer volume of pure horses*** is what stops me from refuting it, but for starters, in this 4-dimensional reality we call life, the fourth dimension is time. In time, Aaron A does not have to be = to Aaron B, because the two can be separated by thousands of years. Yes, I said it - people can share the same name. Really!
Starjade says; The things you speak of are errors other scholars point out existing in the Koran. Why not grow a backbone and try and reply to this matter of Jesus and Muhammad claiming themselves to being that singular Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews seeing as you think yourself so clever. I need a good laugh. The living God only promised to raise up only one Prophet. So either Jesus or Muhammad have to be lying in their proclamations. If it is Jesus then why do 11 chapters of the Koran glorify jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus claims himself to being when Jesus claims he is that long awaited prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews.? That is why they called Jesus the King of the Jews and Muhammad did believe in Jesus.
But on that second claim by Muhammad he proclaimed that he alone is that long awaited Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up which is why they called Muhammad the prophet to the Nation.
The problem with those silly claims by Jesus and Muhammad is that the Living God only promised to raise up only one Prophet. Muhammad does not claim to be Jesus. He believed in Jesus and 11 chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus because of Muhammad?s belief. But Muhammad did not realise who or what prophet it was that Jesus was proclaiming himself to being and made that error by proclaiming himself to being the very Prophet that Jesus had already claimed himself as being.
OPF said Anyway, I suggest you exit your mother's basement and PLEASE get yourself checked out at a good ward. If I knew your address they would be over soon...
Starjade says; Glib comments will not help you escape the many errors in the Koran and in the beliefs of Muhammad. Already you have bitten the Dust but are too blind to see. eat rotfl
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If you want conversations with a Christian Scolar who is also an expert on Islam and the Koran i can invite her here. She would be the Christian Minister iris. her religious knowledge would stagger you. Are you sure you want me to invite her to come and chat with you? Be warned she can and will eat you for breakfast.
What an arrogance of you! I can talk about Muslim scholars who can take you and that Christian minister for breakfast, but I do not want to boast and I dislike bragging.
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This guy does not get it. We do not believe the Old Testament to be the word of God and it's authentic to us.
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What an arrogance of you! I can talk about Muslim scholars who are experts on Christianity and the Bible, and can take you and that Christian minister for breakfast, but I do not want to boast and I dislike bragging.
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That law was brought down by Moses from the Living God
What is your 'living' God' ?
Starjade says; so few ask me that question and in all religious discussion that I have had that has made me sad that people did not want to know about the Living God.
Twice here that has been asked and that makes me happy. There are so few true religiously minded people about who have an interest in the Living God. The rest seem more interested in trying to defend the false doctrines of their religions.
The Living God I speak about is the Living White Sphere that lives beyond the Veil of the Abyss in deep space. The Sphere is brilliantly radiant with white light and it is a collective of individuals. The collective make the whole. The Living White Sphere moves around space under its own power at speeds that are most astonishing. That is the Living God.
The last Time I saw the Living White Sphere was way across the other side of the Abyss and I watched as it flew off in the opposite direction clearly having other things to do. After that encounter I flew across the Abyss to this Planet. A description of that Journey can be found in Starjades Journey beyond the Grave.
http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chapterone.htm
I have not yet found any religion of this Planet with a description of the Living White Sphere that is the Living God. However the International order of Kabbalists depicted a Sephiroth Kether on their tree of life. As they also spoke of the Abyss I mistakenly assumed they knew of the Living White Sphere. But they did not. Their Sephiroth Kether was purely conceptual. However, during those conversations they printed some of my conversations in their Magazine, which went worldwide to millions of Jews.
That is how conversations got onto the matter of the Jews religion the Old testament and the Exodus which to me who has seen a world wide apocalypse of earthquakes strike this planet in less than 15 minutes seemed a good way to move Billions out of those earthquake zones. And in that action I began to fulfil the Living Gods Deuteronomy prophecy.
Anyway the Living God I speak about is the Living White Sphere that Lives beyond the Veil of the Abyss in Deep Space and there is only one Living God.
Because it would sound mad to say I had a personal encounter with the Living God to the ordinary minded congregations I spoke of the Living White Sphere by the Hebrew name Kether. Which is also a name for the Living God as well as God.
However, the Living White Sphere of Kether is the Living God and must not be confused with the Kabbalists Sephiroth Kether as they have never heard of the Living White Sphere until I contacted them way back in 1994. Their Sephiroths depicted on the Kabbalist tree of life is just conceptual and a thing of imagination.
However, the Living White Sphere that I came from is real and it is the one true Living God and can only be reached by astral travel usually after death. There is only one Living God. The rest who give worship to other things have been misled.
It astonishes me that those past Prophets who claims to have had encounters with the Living God did not describes what they had seen for they would notice the Living Gods shape and colour and trust me they would be bound to speak of that encounter. I assume they must have only seen a part of the Living Gods lights.
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I have met iris and know what she is like. You do not know and will regret thinking you could take her on in religious discussion. She is a prolific writer. more so than I am.
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I have met iris and know what she is like. You do not know and will regret thinking you could take her on in religious discussion.
I personally am not interested in take her on anything because I do not claim to be a scholar or whatever.
She is a prolific writer. more so than I am.
Seriously I do not know what to say here!
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Iris was brought up as a Muslim but later converted to Christinaity. She is now an over 20 years Christian ordained minister. She has an in depth knowledge of all religions and you would find her overwhelming.
If you want to meet her and test the water I will be happy to link her here. She at least can say what the Christians view on matters are. Of course she is painfully aware that I say Jesus is a fraud. But it is her choice if she refuses to accept the evidence. I still enjoy conversations with her dispite her silly Christian beliefs. She is still a very religious person and there is very little she will not know regarding Islam and Christinaity and Judaism and other religions. Trust me it is astonishing that one mind can hold so much knowledge.
So do you want to meet her. Be warned other Muslims bit the Dust in their arguments with her. She is a powerful figure and she has been on the telly. So you would be talking to some one who is really famous.
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So you do not like bragging eh? Well brags can come in all ways shapes and forms. I like to brag the brag as I am the Challenger and it is a good thing for me to cause teeth to gnash so as to bring those afraid to speak out of the shadows for that close encounter on matters they otherwise would consider to be taboo.
Mind you it is well known the much loved Deuteronomy Doomsday prophet Starjade can brag the brag and walk the walk and talk the talk and all who come up against him are just bound to bite the Dust. It is called inevitability. eat rotfl
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But i said the old testament is not from God then how i can believe that you are a prophet and not a liar.
Starjade says; Clearly the Old testament was writ by man. But words within it are from God. Now if I was a liar then that would make me guilty of blasphemy. in case you do not know Blasphemy carries a death penalty a death by stoning. So I am putting my life on the line as this is no game I play I am very serious about these matters.
Then I am accused and arrested and before the Lord thy God and the judges and Kings that shall be in those Times there will be diligent inquisition. And at the mouth of two or of three witnesses the matter shall be established if a crime of iniquity or sin has occurred.
Here is the evidence I will then bring and call as witness testimony. Read it with care.
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Iris was brought up as a Muslim but later converted to Christinaity.
Which is not relevant at all, if true in the first place. Many ministers converted to Islam, so quit the know-it-all attitude of yours.
She is now an over 20 years Christian ordained minister. She has an in depth knowledge of all religions and you would find her overwhelming.
Well if you consider her to be a bit more prolific than you, then I do not believe that to be "overwhelming".
If you want to meet her and test the water I will be happy to link her here.
I am not interested in meeting her as I do not consider myself a scholar, as I already told you.
She at least can say what the Christians view on matters are. Of course she is painfully aware that I say Jesus is a fraud. But it is her choice if she refuses to accept the evidence. I still enjoy conversations with her dispite her silly Christian beliefs.
You just contradicted yourself there.
So you would be talking to some one who is really famous.
Sorry, I have a meeting with Angelina Jolie.
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Which is not relevant at all, if true in the first place. Many ministers converted to Islam, so quit the know-it-all attitude of yours.Well if you consider her to be a bit more prolific than you, then I do not believe that to be "overwhelming".I am not interested in meeting her as I do not consider myself a scholar, as I already told you.You just contradicted yourself there.Sorry, I have a meeting with Angelina Jolie.
Starjade says; As a matter of fact I said she was brought up as a Muslim but then converted to Christianity. So she started as a Muslim ended up as a Christian and very confused after chatting with me.
We are all scholars in some way shape or forum. Iris is an expert on the religions on this Planet. She can certainly write. Do not be misled by these few short conversations. Some of my replies can be over 30 ft long. On to a Muslim called saladinj as I like to call him, i took me three days to reply to. Its on the End of Times web site if you want a view in my conversations with the Muslims.
Angelina Jolie isn?t all that. Bit on the tubby side if you ask me. Does that mean you are off to bed to dream the dreams.
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Starjade says; Oh I only showed a few contradictions as it was claimed there are none. Clearly there are. Why not examine the 21 errors in the Koran I have given links to. Then we shall see how clever you are.
http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/surahfoureighthytwo.html
If you want conversations with a Christian Scolar who is also an expert on Islam and the Koran i can invite her here. She would be the Christian Minister iris. her religious knowledge would stagger you. Are you sure you want me to invite her to come and chat with you? Be warned she can and will eat you for breakfast. eat rotfl
I have read those. None of them are internal contradictions within the quran. Nice try, though. And here I was thinking that you 'weren't a novice'
Sure, if she actually knows of some internal contradictions within the quran, by all means bring her here.
Eat me for breakfast? Hmm true words of a prophet.
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Starjade says; As a matter of fact I said she was brought up as a Muslim but then converted to Christianity. So she started as a Muslim ended up as a Christian and very confused after chatting with me.
I do not have to believe in your story. And she does not really sound like a knowledgeable scholar from your posts.
We are all scholars in some way shape or forum. Iris is an expert on the religions on this Planet. She can certainly write. Do not be misled by these few short conversations. Some of my replies can be over 30 ft long. On to a Muslim called saladinj as I like to call him, i took me three days to reply to. Its on the End of Times web site if you want a view in my conversations with the Muslims.
I took you three days to write a reply?
Angelina Jolie isn?t all that. Bit on the tubby side if you ask me. Does that mean you are off to bed to dream the dreams.
No, I do not hold her in any regard, but she is more famous than your minister, is not she?
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Starjade says; The Christians New Testament and claims are false.
Peaceful mind you said; Good that some Christians are finally seeing the light.
Starjade says I am not a Christian and yes Christians are seeing the light after they read my Revelations.
The Koran could not exist nor could the claims of Muhammad exist without the Old Testament.
Peaceful mind you said; The Quran existed independently of any other scriptures. Rather silly of you to consider otherwise.
Starjade says; The claims of Muhammad are taken from the Old Testament. Most of the Koranic statements are about the Old and New Testament tales but re writ into Muhammad?s own views and words invalidating it as scripture.
As for my being a Prophet. I do not make claims I outright state that I can be established as being a genuine Prophet who does have a provable connection to the Living God. That fact by the way shows once again errors in the claims of Muhammad that stand against the actual word of the Living God and Gods Deuteronomy laws. Muhammad does not stand that high and once again is seen to be presumptuous to think he could speak in Gods name.
The evidence that can establish I am a genuine Prophet from the Living God is shown the other side of this link.
Peaceful mind you said; I hope someone is joking here.
Starjade says; Nobody is making any Joke I am serious about all of my statements. And I do not see anyone laughing. You are trying to defend the Koran from the Revelations of a Prophet from the Living God. Established as being such a prophet by Deuteronomy law. What is worse is that I am that long awaited Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verses 15/18 Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews.
That in case you do not realise is the very prophet that both Jesus and Muhammad are claiming themselves to being without any evidence to support those claims. And I have Christianity and Islam by the short and curlies with my God given Revelations.
Also remind yourself after you grasp that Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards law can establish who I am by that religious law that is the word of the Living God.
That the Living God only promised to raise up only one Prophet in the midst of those Jews. Did you not notice how my superior religious knowledge just shines on through. Eventually you will all see the light. Or be stoned to death in apocalyptic earthquakes.
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Did you not notice how my superior religious knowledge just shines on through
It's very hard to notice something that hasn't been demonstrated yet.
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Starjade says I am not a Christian and yes Christians are seeing the light after they read my Revelations.
Good.
Starjade says; The claims of Muhammad are taken from the Old Testament. Most of the Koranic statements are about the Old and New Testament tales but re writ into Muhammad?s own views and words invalidating it as scripture.
Prophet Muhammed did not copy anything. Some stories are similar but that's because the three religions came from one God.
Starjade says; Nobody is making any Joke I am serious about all of my statements. And I do not see anyone laughing. You are trying to defend the Koran from the Revelations of a Prophet from the Living God. Established as being such a prophet by Deuteronomy law. What is worse is that I am that long awaited Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verses 15/18 Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews.
That in case you do not realise is the very prophet that both Jesus and Muhammad are claiming themselves to being without any evidence to support those claims. And I have Christianity and Islam by the short and curlies with my God given Revelations.
Also remind yourself after you grasp that Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards law can establish who I am by that religious law that is the word of the Living God.
That the Living God only promised to raise up only one Prophet in the midst of those Jews. Did you not notice how my superior religious knowledge just shines on through. Eventually you will all see the light. Or be stoned to death in apocalyptic earthquakes.
What are your signs of prophethood? Any miracles? How many follow you? You are a joke, you really cannot be serious.
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It's very hard to notice something that hasn't been demonstrated yet.
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Starjade says Oh come now OPF you Muslims here are already shirking the Sura 482 challenge and avoiding those errors that I mention exist in the Koran.
Glib replies just show what your charactor is. A real Muslim would have attempted to defend their religion or held a religious discussion with me. And the likes of you come on with one liners. Do you think that makes you important in the eyes of the congregations. Does it make you feel they will embrace you as their pal and free you from that lonely world you live in.?
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Starjade says I am not a Christian and yes Christians are seeing the light after they read my Revelations.Peaceful Mind you say; Good.
Starjade says; Yeah and Muslims are getting the point as well.
Starjade says; The claims of Muhammad are taken from the Old Testament. Most of the Koranic statements are about the Old and New Testament tales but re writ into Muhammad?s own views and words invalidating it as scripture.
Peaceful Mind Prophet Muhammad did not copy anything. Some stories are similar but that's because the three religions came from one God.
Starjade says; Of course he stole his ideas and re wrote the text of the Old Testament and the New. That is obvious. The three religions are not the same the Christians believe Jesus is that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. The Muslims think Muhammad is that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. And the Jews already know that I have arrived. And that includes the Ishmaelite.
What is more the Jews claim they worship the Living God the Christians worship Jesus and the Muslims worship the Moon and Muhammad. I do not thing they follow the same God but the Muslims certainly do not follow the Living God.
Starjade says; Nobody is making any Joke I am serious about all of my statements. And I do not see anyone laughing. You are trying to defend the Koran from the Revelations of a Prophet from the Living God. Established as being such a prophet by Deuteronomy law. What is worse is that I am that long awaited Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verses 15/18 Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews.
That in case you do not realise is the very prophet that both Jesus and Muhammad are claiming themselves to being without any evidence to support those claims. And I have Christianity and Islam by the short and curlies with my God given Revelations.
Also remind yourself after you grasp that Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards law can establish who I am by that religious law that is the word of the Living God.
That the Living God only promised to raise up only one Prophet in the midst of those Jews. Did you not notice how my superior religious knowledge just shines on through. Eventually you will all see the light. Or be stoned to death in apocalyptic earthquakes.
Peaceful Mind What are your signs of prophethood? Any miracles? How many follow you? You are a joke, you really cannot be serious.
Starjade says; Seeing as you asked here are the many Prophesied signs in the heavens and trust me there are more I have not mentioned. http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chapterfour.htm
Then there is details of a Miracle I have already had a hand in right here on earth. http//www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chaptertwo.htm
It is only the Living God who has followers. I am simply the Living Gods Prophet. As for who should be following me. That is all the descendants of Abraham and some Alien residents.
Remind yourself Kuffar Peaceful Mind that already I have challenged islam and shown many errors and discrepancies that exist in the Koran. Be certain religion is not some game I play. However if you as a Muslim cannot defend the Koran then it is you who will seen as a Joke of sorts. rotfl