Starjade Sura 4:82 challenges the whole of Islam.
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Part Two of A Challenging Addition On The Subject of The Apocrypha
The Book of Jasher includes details about antediluvian patriarchs which are confirmed by modern revelation. The question arises of how the author of Jasher could have known specific facts from before the Great Flood, such as Cainan becoming very wise when he was forty years old. These correlations attest that it was composed from exceedingly ancient reliable sources.....The book is a history of the world from the creation until the period of the Judges in Israel. It contains much more information than is found in Genesis for that same period, which makes very interesting reading and clears up many confusing issues in the Bible. It is written mostly as a secular history, but it does contain many references to what God was doing. It is similar to the Books of Joshua through Chronicles in the Bible which describe many historical events such as battles and wars, but which also point out the hand of God in the affairs of men.
Joshua 1013
It is easy to find the place where the book of Joshua apparently quotes this Book of Jasher
"And when they were smiting, the day was declining toward evening, and Joshua said in the sight of all the people, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon, and thou moon in the valley of Ajalon, until the nation shall have revenged itself upon its enemies.
"And the Lord hearkened to the voice of Joshua, and the sun stood still in the midst of the heavens, and it stood still six and thirty moments, and the moon also stood still and hastened not to go down a whole day." (Jasher 8863-64)
2 Samuel 118
The reason is that it is David himself who was quoting the Book of Jasher, rather than the Book of Jasher merely recording David's actions. Jasher contains the injunction that the children of Judah should learn the art of the bow and David considered the Book of Jasher of such high authority that if it commanded to teach the art of the bow, he was determined to do it. That puts an entirely different light on the subject. Here is the actual quote, from the last words of Jacob to his son Judah
"Only teach thy sons the bow and all weapons of war, in order that they may fight the battles of their brother who will rule over his enemies." (Jasher 569)
Agreement with the Bible. Most reviewers grant that there are no significant disagreements between Book of Jasher and the Bible. In fact, one excellent new annotated reprint adds several appendices discussing clarifications made in Jasher. The few disagreements between Jasher and the Bible are insufficient to disqualify it from being the authentic lost book mentioned in the scriptures.THE BOOK OF JASPER WHILE HAVING MERITS IS QUESTIONABLE
"Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you concerning the Apocrypha - There are many things contained therein that are true, and it is mostly translated correctly; There are many things contained therein that are not true, which are interpolations by the hands of men. Verily, I say unto you, that it is not needful that the Apocrypha should be translated. Therefore, whoso readeth it, let him understand, for the Spirit manifesteth truth; And whoso is enlightened by the Spirit shall obtain benefit And whoso receiveth not by the Spirit, cannot be benefitted. Therefore it is not needful that it should be translated. Amen." (D.&C. 911-6)
The Book of Jasher contradicts the Bible in many places, examples follow
Jasher 135 says that Abram went to the land of Canaan at the age of 50 then back to Haran and back to Canaan at age 75, Genesis 124 states that Abram was 75 when he departed Haran.
Jasher 189 states that one of the angels tells Abraham that Sarah will have a son, but Gen. 1716 says that God told Abraham.
Jasher 2244-45 says the Lord got the idea of presenting Isaac as an offering from Isaac's boast to Ishmael. We know, of course, that God is sovereign and as it says in Gen. 221-2 & 12 that the Lord was testing Abraham.
Genesis 285 states that Isaac sent Jacob to Padan-aram unto Laban but Jasher 2911 says that he fled to the house of Eber and hid there for 14 years.
Jasher 479 says Isaac dies, according to the chronology of Jasher, Joseph was in Egypt but in Gen. 3529 Isaac died before Joseph had his dreams.
Simeon could not be bound in Jasher 5137 but in Genesis. 4224 Simeon is bound before their eyes.
There are also many areas that are completely unbiblical.
In Jasher 4230-41, Rachel talks to Joseph from the grave. This is of course necromancy and is an abomination unto the Lord (Deuteronomy 1811-12).
According to 5318-22 Benjamin used a "map (or chart) of stars" to find Joseph. Deuteronomy 1810 forbids this. It is an abomination to be "an observer of times" (astrologer).
Judah threatens Joseph 541-68 with annulations but Genesis 4414-34 is a plea for Benjamin's release.
Chapter 71 of Jasher states that Moses was 18 years old when he left Egypt. (Could this be Rabbinical tradition?) He didn't go to Midian but to Cush and becomes king (7234-36) and is king over Cush for forty years (732), then he goes to Midian where Reuel puts him in prison for 10 years because Reuel thinks Moses is wanted by the Holy Cow Pud, Batman. In the book of Acts (723-30) Stephen, inspired by the Holy Spirit, stated the Moses was in Egypt for 40 Years before going to Midian for another 40 years.
Jasher 813-4 claims that the Israelites sojourned in Egypt for 210 years whereas the Scripture says in Exodus 1240-41 it was 430 years.
Jasher 8140-41says that all but Pharaoh perished in the Red Sea. Pharaoh thanks the Lord and the Lord sends an angel who casts him upon the land of Ninevah where Pharaoh reigned for a long time. Scripture (Exodus 1423 & 2 states that all perished.
Jasher 321-40 -- Esau comes to harm Jacob but angels of the Lord scare Esau, v.55 Esau fears Jacob. Genesis 333 Jacob bows seven times to Esau.
Jasher 4335 -- Isaac went from Hebron to comfort Jacob, his son, because Joseph is dead (sold). Gen. 3527-29 Isaac died before Joseph even dreamed his dreams.
Jasher 8138 -- "And the Waters of the sea were divided into twelve parts...." Exodus 1422 "And the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea upon the dry ground and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand and on their left."Therefore, like the other Apocrypha books such as Tobit, Wisdom, Judith, 1 & 2 Macabees they contradict the books of the divinely inspired Bible canon and 2 Macabees even promotes the un-scriptural practice of the worship of the dead. So while it is the only Apocrypha book ever quoted in the Bible it clearly is not divinely inspired like the other books of the Apocrypha and does NOT belong in the Bible; whereas the Apocrypha books the apostate church saw fit at their Council of Trent to add to their Bible have much less to recommend them.
Your Friend Iris89,
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Hello iris89,
Stop posting silly questions and go do a little research - study. Now here is your answer why they did not make it or short and simple they were not inspired
Says who emperor Constantine and Jerome.
Yeah OK sure I'll stop wasting my time replying -- best of luck to you.
Peace
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Hi Nun de plume
You are not trying to learn but throw up any nonsense you can find that you do not understand. I post to assist all with respect to learning the truth per John 832, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Authorized King James Bible; AV). You should start trying to learn.As I told you before,
You need to learn the Bible instead of making dumb post that just show your lack of comprehension of same. I would recommend that you immediately start studying the Bible. To that end I have put together an 18 part introductory study of the Bible, called ?follow the Christ? which can be read at,
18 Part Follow Christ Bible Study at,
http//religioustruths.proboards59.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=jesus&thread=1182482138&page=1
Now do you want to study the Bible or not?
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
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You need to learn the Bible instead of making dumb post that just show your lack of comprehension of same. I would recommend that you immediately start studying the Bible. To that end I have put together an 18 part introductory study of the Bible, called ?follow the Christ? which can be read at,
Salaam Iris
We also said you need to read, not the quraan (which you seem to haven not, and that shows in your posts littered with hearsy that we do not believe in), but just this forum and the articles (choose a few) so that you know who you are discussing with. Why do you think that your commands are more important than our request?
Now do you want to study the Bible or not?
Now do you want to know us or not?
Stop posting silly questions and go do a little research - study.
This is neither the language of a researcher, nor of a teacher, nor of a humble person claiming to follow Jesus to the letter. Questions are not silly. Answers may be.
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Hi Samia
First, I have read the Qur?an five times, 4 in English and one in another language which should be readily apparent to you from my post.
Second, I already well know the Quran, but some of you have almost no knowledge of the Bible such as one who writes under the French name of a pen. Also, early on I had very considerable exposure to Islam ? Sunni ? and detested what I saw with respect animal abuse by an Imam.
Third, that is the reasonable language of a researcher who after 7 hours in one day gets very tired of silly questions by a poster under the French name of a pen. Such as the silly question where he posted a bunch of apocrypha he cut/pasted from somewhere apparently without reading even what it was and asked why they were not included in the Bible which is about as silly as asking why Salman Rushdie?s ?Satanic Verse? is added to the Qur?an and this followed another equally silly post on the first part of Genesis which showed his complete lack of knowledge and that he had not read my previous post to him on the same subject. I do not indulge in such silliness and do not expect other adults to do so.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
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Hi Samia
First, I have read the Qur?an five times, 4 in English and one in another language which should be readily apparent to you from my post.
Second, I already well know the Quran, but some of you have almost no knowledge of the Bible such as one who writes under the French name of a pen. Also, early on I had very considerable exposure to Islam ? Sunni ? and detested what I saw with respect animal abuse by an Imam.
Third, that is the reasonable language of a researcher who after 7 hours in one day gets very tired of silly questions by a poster under the French name of a pen. Such as the silly question where he posted a bunch of apocrypha he cut/pasted from somewhere apparently without reading even what it was and asked why they were not included in the Bible which is about as silly as asking why Salman Rushdie?s ?Satanic Verse? is added to the Qur?an and this followed another equally silly post on the first part of Genesis which showed his complete lack of knowledge and that he had not read my previous post to him on the same subject. I do not indulge in such silliness and do not expect other adults to do so.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
Salaam Iris
I could say the same about you, because in fact I did not ask you to read the quraan, but this forum and its articles to know who you are discussing with. However, you choose what to answer to and ignore what does not suit you, although our posts are dwarfed by your boringly long , repeated posts and OP most of the time. So, let's be more civilized; and if one gets tired, it is better to keep away from others than mocking their names and using unacceptable language. And alaways remember "LOVE THY ENEMY".
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Hi Samia
YOUR POST IS WRONG, you said,
I could say the same about you, because in fact I did not ask you to read the quraan, but this forum and its articles to know who you are discussing with. However, you choose what to answer to and ignore what does not suit you, although our posts are dwarfed by your boringly long , repeated posts and OP most of the time. So, let's be more civilized; and if one gets tired, it is better to keep away from others than mocking their names and using unacceptable language. And alaways remember "LOVE THY ENEMY".
I read the Qur?an long before I ever heard of this forum.
Second, I know who I am discussing with; to wit, members of Islam and agnostics.
Third, I neither mock others or use unacceptable language.
Fourth, I ignore nothing of importance, but of course do not bother with none pertinent stuff and why should I as it is irrelevant. But I do notice others shy away from relevant items of importance not to their liking.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
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Hello again iris89,
I already well know the Quran, but some of you have almost no knowledge of the Bible such as one who writes under the French name of a pen.
No, you were exposed as a copy/paste chatterer and person who idolizes self pride of supposed knowledge.
Such as the silly question where he posted a bunch of apocrypha he cut/pasted from somewhere apparently without reading even what it was and asked why they were not included in the Bible...
I did post the link in an earlier thread?
Philippians is a letter written by Paul and reflects his opinion.
There are many early Christian writings/hearsays and opinions according to many?
http//www.earlychristianwritings.com/
These are like hadith; how do you determine from the over 150 which are TRUE and which are FALSE?
It was FACT that earlier Christians based their faith on many of these while only Mark, Luke, Matthew, and John were included ? why not according Mary, Thomas, Peter, etc? Who made emperor Constantine et al judge?
The numbers on the left are for an estimated range of dating.
30-60 Passion Narrative
40-80 Lost Sayings Gospel Q
50-90 Signs Gospel
50-95 Book of Hebrews
50-140 Gospel of Thomas
50-140 Oxyrhynchus 1224 Gospel
65-80 Gospel of Mark
70-120 Egerton Gospel
70-160 Gospel of Peter
70-160 Secret Mark
80-100 Gospel of Matthew
80-130 Gospel of Luke
80-150 Gospel of the Egyptians
80-150 Gospel of the Hebrews
90-120 Gospel of JohnI did read many of the above thoroughly many times and am a convert to Islam after reading Qur'an.
another equally silly post on the first part of Genesis which showed his complete lack of knowledge and that he had not read my previous post to him on the same subject.
What?s silly is your dancing around clear contradictions which you posted?
Quote from iris89
"He is unique by virtue of his being the only direct creation by Almighty God (YHWH), thus making him different from all others of God's (YHWH's) sons, allof whom were created or begotten by god (YHWH) through that firstborn Son, Jesus (Yeshua). "The above clearly contradicts the very first verse in the Bible.
http//scripturetext.com/genesis/1-1.htm
KJV In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.Term ?son of God? or ?servant of God? in Hebrew agrees with messenger in Islam?
http//scripturetext.com/exodus/4-22.htm
KJV ?Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstbornhttp//scripturetext.com/jeremiah/31-9.htm
KJV ?for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.http//scripturetext.com/psalms/2-7.htm
KJV ?the LORD hath said unto me (David), Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.Sorry to rattle you and remember ? the truth will set you free. angel
peace
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Peace,
I just want to say to all normal FM members, why are you still waste your time with troublemakers?
Ignore such people who just want to mock and they do not seems to fear God at all.
Maria
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Peace,
I just want to say to all normal FM members, why are you still waste your time with troublemakers?
Ignore such people who just want to mock and they do not seems to fear God at all.
Maria
Once in a red moon, we get something useful from them ;D
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I hear this starjade was banned from this forum and is on that conspiracy forum laughing at everyone who would not defend Islam. What kind of image does that show.
It is bragged that he and that iris do not know what they are talking about and yet i do not see on any of these pages any Muslims defending the Koran from the errors that he has displayed. So he won the challenge unless a Muslim can give accounts for those errors. I am at a loss as to what to say.
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I hear this starjade was banned from this forum and is on that conspiracy forum laughing at everyone who would not defend Islam. What kind of image does that show.
It is bragged that he and that iris do not know what they are talking about and yet i do not see on any of these pages any Muslims defending the Koran from the errors that he has displayed. So he won the challenge unless a Muslim can give accounts for those errors. I am at a loss as to what to say.
What were those errors again?
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I hear this starjade was banned from this forum and is on that conspiracy forum laughing at everyone who would not defend Islam. What kind of image does that show.
It is bragged that he and that iris do not know what they are talking about and yet i do not see on any of these pages any Muslims defending the Koran from the errors that he has displayed. So he won the challenge unless a Muslim can give accounts for those errors. I am at a loss as to what to say.
I adressed a single segment of the several volumes of nonsense posted by Starjade and did not get a reply for 6 pages.
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I hear this starjade was banned from this forum and is on that conspiracy forum laughing at everyone who would not defend Islam. What kind of image does that show.
It is bragged that he and that iris do not know what they are talking about and yet i do not see on any of these pages any Muslims defending the Koran from the errors that he has displayed. So he won the challenge unless a Muslim can give accounts for those errors. I am at a loss as to what to say.
I am not sure if anybody on the forum would know but is iris still an active member of the forum? if not, could someone please point me out to where I can get in touch with her? I have a question for her regarding one of her posts. Thanks in advance.
Peace
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I am not sure if anybody on the forum would know but is iris still an active member of the forum? if not, could someone please point me out to where I can get in touch with her? I have a question for her regarding one of her posts. Thanks in advance.
Peace
You can either
1- Post your question here and hope she might read it AND answer you.
2- Click on her name and send her a PM, hoping she reads it.
3- Click on her name to go to her own forum (there is a link to it) and post your question, hoping it wont be deleted.
4- Save your time for better things -
Salam All,
Starjade apparently thinks he/she? is a prophet..wow..can you see how impressed I am? whatever
Check this out
http//www.geocities.com/kethers_crown/respondingtoroz.html
And starjade quote says I am the End of Times Prophet that the Living God Promised Moses he would raise up nearer to the End of Times when a great Cataclysm would devastate this Planet causing the extinction of the species. I was once intent on saving as many people and animals as was possible. But a chain of events has occurred that is now preventing my doing that. Roz is a Christian and objects to my statements regarding the false Prophet Jesus and my Judgements on the Christians specifically Roman Catholic Christians and Church of England Christians.
I am worried for you Starjade, lying about being a prophet is pure blasmephy. You will have the worst time in hell more than any other soul there. Claiming to be a prophet is no worse than claiming to be god.
Can you tell me why we should beleive you to be a prophet would choose to convince people, by choosing to post such c*** for tales, and instead of showing divine power, choose to initiate ego conversation?
I pity you. You may be articulate and you may be motivated, but you reveal nothing divine to prove your prophethood.
Honor