"mathabatan"

Wakas

peace gclandcp,

See http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm

= Tha-Waw-Ba = to return, turn back to, to restore/recover, to repent, to collect/gather.
to call/summon (repeatedly), rise (dust), to flow, become abundant.
something returned (recompence, reward, compensation), to repay.
a thing which veils/covers/protects, a distinct body or company of people.
mathabatan - place of return, place to which a visit entitles one to thawab/reward, assembly/congregation for people who were dispersed/separated previously, place of alighting, abode, house, tent.
raiments, garments, morals, behaviour, heart, dependents, followers, robes, clothes, pure/good hearted, of good character.

mathabah n.f. - 2125,
mathubah n.f. - 2103, 560,
thawab n.m. - 3145, 3148, 3195, 4134, 1831, 1844, 1846, 1976, 2880,
thiyab n.m. (pl. of thawb) - 115, 1831, 2219, 2458, 2460, 717, 744, 7621,
thawwaba vb. (II) - 8336,
athaba vb. (IV) - 3153, 585, 4818.

Lane's Lexicon, Volume 1, pages 398, 399, 400, 401

Which root is being used?
http//www.studyquran.co.uk/Qwribu.htm

When determining what the root is, e.g. mathabatan, be careful of the prefixes (e.g. "ma...&quot and suffixes ("...tan&quot as most tend not to be part of the root.

gclandcp

Salam Wakas and Samia,

Thanks for the info. If the prefixes ?ma? added to the word, does it mean it is an ?act of?? Like sujud is comply, if we add prefixes ?ma? in front, it become and act of compliant. So... if thawab is return, so the word mathaba should it be the ?act or return?? And how about the suffixes ("...tan&quot? What is it stand for?

Regards.

Samia

Generally speaking, the prefix "ma" would serve as verbal noun (adverb, verb as in makhaafata for fear that, ma3rifa knowing); name of place (as in maktab office, desk); passive participle (as in maktoob written, letter).

gclandcp

Salam Samia.

Thank for the reply. Is there any word use in the Quran that shows when prefix ?ma? added to a word it becomes name of place?

Regards

Wakas

peace,

When I studied "masjid" I made a note on "ma", which was

MSJD - parts of a man that are the places of SJD, e.g. forehead/nose/hands/knees/feet etc. Any mode/place/practice in which the act of SJD is done.

Samia

Two examples (there are many examples)

ma'aab 314; 1329,36; 3825, 36,40,49,55; 7822,39 (root alif wau baa) final destination
mashrab 260; 7160; 3673 (root sheen raa baa) place of water
masjid place of obedience, prostration (root seen jeem dal to obey, to show obedience) (Wakas elaborated more on this)

gclandcp

Salam Wakas,

When I studied "masjid" I made a note on "ma", which was

MSJD - parts of a man that are the places of SJD, e.g. forehead/nose/hands/knees/feet etc. Any mode/place/practice in which the act of SJD is done.

Can you please elaborate a bit more.

Salam Samia

masjid place of obedience, prostration (root seen jeem dal to obey, to show obedience)

From what I read from previous post, masjid cannot mean place. If masjid is a place than how do you explain this.

WA- KA- DHAALIKA AcTHARNAA cALAY -HIM LI- YAcLAMO 'ANNA WAcD 'ALLAAH H.AQQ WA- 'ANNA AS- SAAcAH LAA RAYB FE -HAA 'IDH YATANAAZAcON BAYNA -HUM 'AMR -HUM FA- QAALO IBNO cALAY -HIM BUNYAAN (AN) RABB -HUM AcLAM BI- -HIM QAALA 'ALLADHENA GHALABO cALAA 'AMR -HIM LA- NATTAKHIDHANNA cALAY -HIM MASJID (AN) 1821

And thus We made their case known to the people, that they might know that the Promise of Allah is true, and that there can be no doubt about the Hour. (Remember) when they (the people of the city) disputed among themselves about their case, they said "Construct a building over them, their Lord knows best about them," (then) those who won their point said (most probably the disbelievers) "We verily shall build a place of worship over them." 1821 (Dr. Mohsin Khan)

"Let us surely build a place of worship over them." 1821 (Abdullah Yousuf Ali)
We verity shall build a place of worship over them. 1821 (Pickthall)
Surely we will raise over them a place of worship. 1821 (Daryabdai)

AKHADH / ITTAKHADH = to take, to obtain receive to get to seize grab to take hold to perceive, notice, to gather, understand, infer deduce, to keep, adhere, to observe to take over adopt embrace follow copy imitate to accept to admonish, urge, drive, make use of.

REFERENCE FROM THE QURAN FOR "NATTAKHIDH"

And he (the man) from Egypt who bought him, said to his wife "Make his stay comfortable, may be he will profit us or (NATTAKHIDH) we shall take him as a son." Thus did We establish Yusuf (Joseph) in the land, that We might teach him the interpretation of events. And Allah has full power and control over His Affairs, but most of men know not. 1221

LAcANA -HU 'ALLAAH WA- QAALA LA- ATTAKHIDHANNA MIN cIBAAD -KA NAS.EB(AN) MAFROD.(AN) 4118

Allah cursed him. And he (Satan) said "I will take an appointed portion of your slaves;

Does NATTAKHIDHANNA means WE SHALL BUILD

WE SHALL ADHERE UNTO / TAKE UPON THEIR ACT OF COMPLIANCE

What was the ACT OF COMPLIANCE of the people of the caves?
We gave strength to their hearts Behold they stood up and said "Our Lord is the Lord of the heavens and of the earth NEVER SHALL WE CALL UPON ANY GOD OTHER THAN HIM if we did; we should indeed have uttered an enormity!" 1814

The ACT OF COMPLIANCE of the people of caves was that they refused to call any god other than the Lord of the heavens and the earth.

I got this from the previous post by hafeez kazi.

Regards.

Allen

Salam Wakas,
Can you please elaborate a bit more.

Salam Samia

From what I read from previous post, masjid cannot mean place. If masjid is a place than how do you explain this.

I got this from the previous post by hafeez kazi.

Regards.

Dear
you have quoted a quote ;

masjid place of obedience, prostration (root seen jeem dal to obey, to show obedience)

This quote is partially correct because it is not showing a vital component which is part and parcel of this root i.e Bending/stooping.

The root ,seen ,jeem,dal, primarily shows
-bending physically (Primary meaning at first place)
-showing submission (Primary meaning at second place)
Both of these elements must be present for human "sajood".For sajood of other animals (which are lacking pick/choose powers as humans have) and inanimate objects only "showing submission" is applicable .
It is clarified by Imam Raghib.as below.

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Lane's Lexicon also elaborates like this

Lane's Lexicon also use the words for "sajada" as

---he was, or became lowly, humble, or submissive
--- He bent himself down towards the ground
--- or it has both signification (quoted above) combined i.e he was or became ,humble ,submissive ,bending himself down

Look at another Dictionary of classical arabic

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It also clearly says primary meaning is bending/stooping and become low ;

Another classical dictionary

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Same concept

A modern dictionary

Multilingual dictionary
Arabic - English

bow down , worship God , prostrate oneself (in worship) , kneel (with the forehead on the ground) , genuflect , worship

http//dictionary.sakhr.com/idrisidic_2MM.asp?Lang=E-A&Sub=%d3%cc%cf

Dear from their definition of "Sajada" you can very well deduce the meaning of "Masjid" which is PLACE OF SAJOOD.

Wakas

peace gclandcp,

Can you please elaborate a bit more.

Please clarify what you do not understand or want elaborated.

Also, I did not see sister Samia imply its only meaning is place.

gclandcp

Salam,

I think I have strayed away from the original topic. Sorry about that. But I need another help. Can anybody tell me what is the suffix ?tan? stand for? Can anybody give me a few example from the Quran?

Regards.