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unknownuser

Salaam POF

"Rijaal" does not primarily mean "men". It means those who seek; on foot. It could be "men" or "women". Also, "nisaa'" is not the plural of "imra'a" but the plural of "nas' " the delayed; remainder, left behind. We find both meanings in the quraan.

Please reference is requested.

Samia

These meanings, are new to me. So a dower is paid to "the delayed/remainder" in 44? How does it work with 415/16? What about, say, 146?

Sorry I was not very clear. The words "rijaal" and "nisaa'" do not only mean "men" and "women", but have other meanings, also used in the quraan.

Samia

Please reference is requested.

2227

"People" includes men and women, and they come "rijaala"

4127

"They ask you about "nisaa'", say God will advise you about the mothers of orphans you want to marry without paying them their dues, and the vulnerable children and to be fair with orphans".

"nisaa'" includes all these categories mothers of orphans; vulnerable children and the orphans themselves

unknownuser

Sorry I was not very clear. The words "rijaal" and "nisaa'" do not only mean "men" and "women", but have other meanings, also used in the quraan.

And since when did the meaning shift even with the same context?

Samia

And since when did the meaning shift even with the same context?

I do not understand what you mean. You brought up other verses, I replied in general that not everywhere you find "nisaa'" it means "the vulnerable" for example. Just like "rijaal", it does not always mean "seekers/on foot". As for chapter 4, what does it talk about? Mainly orphans, also mothers of rphans and vulnerable children. It is about "the Vulnerable" not "Women"

huruf

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"People" includes men and women, and they come "rijaala"

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"They ask you about "nisaa'", say God will advise you about the mothers of orphans you want to marry without paying th ?em their dues, and the vulnerable children and to be fair with orphans".

"nisaa'" includes all these categories mothers of orphans; vulnerable children and the orphans themselves

Salaam, Samia,

I follow what you say with great interest and I feel tha I am learning a lot.

Concerning this ocurrence of "nisaa'" I see that they are referred to as "fihinna". If it is refering to the orphans and vulnerable children, would plural feminine still be used ?

Thanks

Samia

Salaam, Samia,

I follow what you say with great interest and I feel tha I am learning a lot.

Concerning this ocurrence of "nisaa'" I see that they are referred to as "fihinna". If it is refering to the orphans and vulnerable children, would plural feminine still be used ?

Thanks

Salaam huruf

Thanks for the interest in what I say.

pronouns follow the word, not its meaning. If we are talking about a "group of men" we will use the feminine singular pronoun for it, since the word jamaa3a is feminine singular, even if it is a group of a hundred male boxers!

marleya

Salaam Safia.
I have to agree with Huruf,you are very knowledgeable and i am learning so much.Thank you Samia. peace

Samia

Salaam Safia.
I have to agree with Huruf,you are very knowledgeable and i am learning so much.Thank you Samia. peace

Thanks for your kindness.

huruf

Thanks for the enlightment. In fact that feminine has made me really understand what you were talking about.

Salaam,

kshad99

Salaam POF

"Rijaal" does not primarily mean "men". It means those who seek; on foot. It could be "men" or "women". Also, "nisaa'" is not the plural of "imra'a" but the plural of "nas' " the delayed; remainder, left behind. We find both meanings in the quraan.

Dear Samia
Thanks for input
You said

Rijaal" does not primarily mean "men".

Whenever "Rajulun" is in the meaning of "sex" of human beings it is always "man" never "woman"
In fact 'rijaal' (when it is plural of "rajulun= man&quot does mean "men" primarily

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You are confusing this "rijaal" when it becomes plural of "raajilun" which means "pedestrian" then no doubt it is used for "men" or woman" commonly.But then it does not mean "woman" but " pedestrian"
This is the meaning of "pedestrian" which is given in your quoted verse
2227
(2227) and make a proclamation to the people to come to you for Hajj from far and near, on foot and on lean *46 camels

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YUSUFALI "And proclaim the Pilgrimage among men they will come to thee on foot and (mounted) on every kind of camel, lean on account of journeys through deep and distant mountain highways;
PICKTHAL And proclaim unto mankind the pilgrimage. They will come unto thee on foot and on every lean camel; they will come from every deep ravine,
SHAKIR And proclaim among men the Pilgrimage they will come to you on foot and on every lean camel, coming from every remote path,

This word "rijaalan" in this verse is not in the meaning of" sex" rather in the meaning of "state" of their coming i.e on foot.

You also said

Also, "nisaa'" is not the plural of "imra'a" but the plural of "nas' "

I do not know your source of information;
"Nisaa" is the plural of "imra3atun"

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Your whole concept is revolving aroung the verse
4127

No doubt the question is about "Nisaa" and its answer is expanded.
The reason is "Kuffar" used not give inheritance to women,orphans and Younger ones.It is the reason answer is expanded collectively because of similar treatment carried out in case of inheritance by Kuffaar.
It does not mean at all the word "nisaa" itself contain all those meanings.
Because in that all other verses which contain this word will be compromised in case of meaning.