Is it a Sin to Download music, books or movies from the Internett?
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David_K,
Basically speaking, your set of 'rules' equate to "I'll buy the things I want, if and when I can afford it and if I feel like it." confused
since i already bought one expensive product from the actor or the artist, then i don't need to pay for the next 2 products i buy from that artist
ROFL! So if you bought a really expensive wide-screen TV from Sony, would you expect to recieve at NO COST, the Sony Surround System and Sony DVD player on the basis that you bought Sony's expensive TV!? ROFL. rotfl
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Peace david, you must put yrself in the shoes of the artist. Music is a commodity. It's just like another product you're free to buy or not to buy. Sure you may lend cds or books at the library but these cds and books HAVE been bought. I myself borrowed jm jarre cds. I liked them and if i get the chance to buy them i'll buy. Downloaded free music often sounds cheap. An original cd has a much better sound.
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Peace Nazz,
You can't compare apples and oranges. You have to compare apples and apples, to be objective anyway.
Widescreen tvs aren't a fare comparison to music, books, or movies. And yes, in any case you can 'share' the wide-screen tv's. Doesn't everyone do that... when let's say your friends come to your house to watch it? Or you let them borrow yours? Are you saying that no-one should be going to other people's houses to watch tv? Because that's 'stealing' isn't it? As SC pointed out, why is not considered stealing when you 'borrow' the books from the library?RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) admit they have no idea how much money they lose from filesharing, and that suing filesharers costs more than they gain from it. Where did these guys go to business school?
http//arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071002-music-industry-exec-p2p-litigation-is-a-money-pit.html?duh
Also, file-sharing BOOSTS cd sales
http//www.news.com/2100-1023-898813.html
http//www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/2004/04.15/09-filesharing.html
I've been burned so many times in buying a CD for one track that i like only to find out the rest of the tracks are garbage.
You and me both!
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You can't compare apples and oranges. You have to compare apples and apples, to be objective anyway.
Widescreen tvs aren't a fare comparison to music, books, or movies. And yes, in any case you can 'share' the wide-screen tv's. Doesn't everyone do that... when let's say your friends come to your house to watch it? Or you let them borrow yours? Are you saying that no-one should be going to other people's houses to watch tv? Because that's 'stealing' isn't it? As SC pointed out, why is not considered stealing when you 'borrow' the books from the library?Sharing your TV isn't wrong...but what if you could make free copies of your TV?
That changes things a bit, doesn't it? All the TV makers would go bankrupt.So there's a difference between just sharing and making copies. Sharing songs/games without making copies isn't wrong at all.
If I get a book from a library, it's the library's property and I have to return it. If I don't I have to pay them.
With file "sharing," I'm taking what someone has and making a copy of it which I don't have to return. I got it without paying for it. I own it now.
This may not be stealing, but is it right?
For one, it's a bit unfair isn't it? I mean, how come some people pay for a song and others don't? If the makers are asking for money for something they produced, shouldn't we pay them?
And there's another thing, Emmanuel Kant came up with this rule called (I think), the "rule of universality" which is basically that to determine if something is right or wrong, we ask ourselves whether we'd like the world in which EVERYONE did it. I think this is a useful rule.
So if everyone made free copies of movies and music and games and no one paid for them, wouldn't the producers of the music and the games and the movies suffer? Would we like that? -
If I get a book from a library, it's the library's property and I have to return it. If I don't I have to pay them.
Talking about free sampling of the full product without having to pay lobster. Context.
With file "sharing," I'm taking what someone has and making a copy of it which I don't have to return. I got it without paying for it. I own it now.
This may not be stealing, but is it right?If you like something you pay for it. Just like the library. Or you borrow it and return it ingesting the authors/devs/producers hard work and not pay for it. Perfectly legal.
For one, it's a bit unfair isn't it? I mean, how come some people pay for a song and others don't? If the makers are asking for money for something they produced, shouldn't we pay them?
If people are going to penalise me for letting my friends listen to a song or me gifting my spouse with a cd I burnt out of songs I own/bought/paid for, that's unfair. But they make the rules.And there's another thing, Emmanuel Kant came up with this rule called (I think), the "rule of universality" which is basically that to determine if something is right or wrong, we ask ourselves whether we'd like the world in which EVERYONE did it. I think this is a useful rule.
Everyone's opinions are different, you'd end up with people wanting to have everyone doing things which they liked/would want but other's don't.So if everyone made free copies of movies and music and games and no one paid for them, wouldn't the producers of the music and the games and the movies suffer? Would we like that?
That's why support a just cause, support Bioware!P.S. I'd send Radiohead $100 purely for principle alone D.
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Sharing your TV isn't wrong...but what if you could make free copies of your TV?
That changes things a bit, doesn't it? All the TV makers would go bankrupt.
I think the proper comparison would be the sharing the shows on TV, not the TV itself. And that's not "wrong". What you're saying, should be equated to sharing the computer which downloads the music... as in making copies of the computer. hmmEveryone's opinions are different, you'd end up with people wanting to have everyone doing things which they liked/would want but other's don't.
Exactly. I know people who only buy CDs. They have the option of buying the songs from iTunes, for example, but they feel like their being 'ripped off' if they cant have the actual original disc with the artwork etc.The library/book analogy works in the principal of it all, but more appropriately I would give the example as, you borrow the book from the library, which is very much legal, you make photocopies of all the pages, your own cost, and give the book back. Is that illegal/wrong/a sin? Think about it.
Peace
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Greetings,
I think the simple question to ask is It is wrong to take something you are not entitled to take?
The next question is then What are we entitled to take? And the simple answer Whatever we have express permission to take.
And the followup question What if we don't have express permission? The simple answer Then we should ask for permission.
If beforehand you know permission has been denied, then that's that. Respect the wishes of others. Simple.
However, it is important to distinguish between written law and moral conduct, because the two are not necessarily equal. People look for loop-holes in the law all the time, and while the may find one, what they are actually doing may be morally/ethically wrong.
I think we should all be careful whenever we try to avoid paying for something. Because, God's system is "No pain, no gain", "Reap what you sow" and "The wide and easy road leads to hell, but the narrow and difficult one to heaven".
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Peace Nazz,
I think the simple question to ask is It is wrong to take something you are not entitled to take?
The next question is then What are we entitled to take? And the simple answer Whatever we have express permission to take.
I guess you're not seeing how this is a gray area despite the explanations.
Let's try it this way
Do you ask permission from the artists to listen to their music on the radio? -
Peace, libraries follow specific rules, they aren't allowed to lend pirated stuff and radios too can only broadcast licensed materials;there are pirate radios though, obviously illegal. Imagine you were a musician and you see your music pirated and being available for free on the web, how would you feel?
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Peace Tarikh,
Imagine you were a musician and you see your music pirated and being available for free on the web, how would you feel?
I am, and it's happened, and it felt great to know that my art touched someone enough that they felt the need to download it and listen to it over and over. Please...let's not confuse music with the music "business".
peace
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Peace Tarikh,
that's yr view
Yes, that's what you asked for, right? ---> "Imagine you were a musician and you see your music pirated and being available for free on the web, how would you feel?"
In that case why dont you hand out free cds, or make the whole album available online for free. You'd touch even more people with yr music.
All my finished tracks are available online, for free - and that will never change. Making music is a privelege and a blessing, not a proprietary right. Any artist who feels their art is above giving it away for free has completely lost the spirit of the very art they've been blessed with expressing.
Sure, we'd all like to make a buck along the way - but not to the point of making it a crime not to pay, or worse yet, calling it "wrong".
Peace,
Tay -
All my finished tracks are available online, for free - and that will never change. Making music is a privelege and a blessing, not a proprietary right. Any artist who feels their art is above giving it away for free has completely lost the spirit of the very art they've been blessed with expressing.
Sure, we'd all like to make a buck along the way - but not to the point of making it a crime not to pay, or worse yet, calling it "wrong".
bravo
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Greets,
Do you ask permission from the artists to listen to their music on the radio?
This issue has already been addressed a few posts back. Permission has already been granted, moreover the artists recieve royalties from the radio stations.
Or when one borrows a CD from the library?
This issue has already been addressed a few posts back. The item has already been purchased, and the library system condoned. Moreover, lending an object falls under an entirely different category to taking what you are not entitled to take. 'Take' here meaning to acquire permanent ownership in place of someone else's ownership.
Cheers
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Peace Nazz,
This issue has already been addressed a few posts back. Permission has already been granted, moreover the artists recieve royalties from the radio stations.
OK...so, if I listen to a song on the radio - for which the artists have given permission and receive royalties, then why is it "wrong" to record it from the radio and listen to it on my own? What's the difference between listening to a song that's played 10 times on the radio, or listening to it 10 times from my own recording of it?
This issue has already been addressed a few posts back. The item has already been purchased, and the library system condoned. Moreover, lending an object falls under an entirely different category to taking what you are not entitled to take. 'Take' here meaning to acquire permanent ownership in place of someone else's ownership.
Funny how one can walk into a library, grab a book on, let's say, surreal painters, walk over to the photocopy machine and make as many copies of the paintings he/she likes with no repurcussions. He/she can take those photocopies home and make more copies for friends. No problem. but switch the art to "music" and it magically becomes "wrong"
Peace,
Tay