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Is it a Sin to Download music, books or movies from the Internett?

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    zenje
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    Sharing your TV isn't wrong...but what if you could make free copies of your TV?
    That changes things a bit, doesn't it? All the TV makers would go bankrupt.
    I think the proper comparison would be the sharing the shows on TV, not the TV itself. And that's not "wrong". What you're saying, should be equated to sharing the computer which downloads the music... as in making copies of the computer. hmm

    Everyone's opinions are different, you'd end up with people wanting to have everyone doing things which they liked/would want but other's don't.
    Exactly. I know people who only buy CDs. They have the option of buying the songs from iTunes, for example, but they feel like their being 'ripped off' if they cant have the actual original disc with the artwork etc.

    The library/book analogy works in the principal of it all, but more appropriately I would give the example as, you borrow the book from the library, which is very much legal, you make photocopies of all the pages, your own cost, and give the book back. Is that illegal/wrong/a sin? Think about it.

    Peace

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      G_Omar
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      Salaams David,

      This is obviously a shady area and I believe God's advice to us is to steer clear of what could be a sin.

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        nazz
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        Greetings,

        I think the simple question to ask is It is wrong to take something you are not entitled to take?

        The next question is then What are we entitled to take? And the simple answer Whatever we have express permission to take.

        And the followup question What if we don't have express permission? The simple answer Then we should ask for permission.

        If beforehand you know permission has been denied, then that's that. Respect the wishes of others. Simple.

        However, it is important to distinguish between written law and moral conduct, because the two are not necessarily equal. People look for loop-holes in the law all the time, and while the may find one, what they are actually doing may be morally/ethically wrong.

        I think we should all be careful whenever we try to avoid paying for something. Because, God's system is "No pain, no gain", "Reap what you sow" and "The wide and easy road leads to hell, but the narrow and difficult one to heaven".

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          Tay
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          Peace Nazz,

          I think the simple question to ask is It is wrong to take something you are not entitled to take?

          The next question is then What are we entitled to take? And the simple answer Whatever we have express permission to take.

          I guess you're not seeing how this is a gray area despite the explanations.

          Let's try it this way
          Do you ask permission from the artists to listen to their music on the radio?

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            zenje
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            Let's try it this way
            Do you ask permission from the artists to listen to their music on the radio?

            Or when one borrows a CD from the library?

            peace

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              AspeRin
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              there are all kinds of online radios without interruption, 24/7.

              i recommend you to listen to the music of those who dont care if you download music from the internet. these people will most likely have positive messages in their music.

              peace

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                tarikh
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                Peace, libraries follow specific rules, they aren't allowed to lend pirated stuff and radios too can only broadcast licensed materials;there are pirate radios though, obviously illegal. Imagine you were a musician and you see your music pirated and being available for free on the web, how would you feel?

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                  Tay
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                  Peace Tarikh,

                  Imagine you were a musician and you see your music pirated and being available for free on the web, how would you feel?

                  I am, and it's happened, and it felt great to know that my art touched someone enough that they felt the need to download it and listen to it over and over. Please...let's not confuse music with the music "business".

                  peace

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                    tarikh
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                    Peace tay, that's yr view, but other artists dont feel the same. Ok, yr music touched someone. In that case why dont you hand out free cds, or make the whole album available online for free. You'd touch even more people with yr music.

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                      phoenix1
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                      zenje, SC, methinks you're right

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                        Tay
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                        Peace Tarikh,

                        that's yr view

                        Yes, that's what you asked for, right? ---> "Imagine you were a musician and you see your music pirated and being available for free on the web, how would you feel?"

                        In that case why dont you hand out free cds, or make the whole album available online for free. You'd touch even more people with yr music.

                        All my finished tracks are available online, for free - and that will never change. Making music is a privelege and a blessing, not a proprietary right. Any artist who feels their art is above giving it away for free has completely lost the spirit of the very art they've been blessed with expressing.

                        Sure, we'd all like to make a buck along the way - but not to the point of making it a crime not to pay, or worse yet, calling it "wrong".

                        Peace,
                        Tay

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                          zenje
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                          All my finished tracks are available online, for free - and that will never change. Making music is a privelege and a blessing, not a proprietary right. Any artist who feels their art is above giving it away for free has completely lost the spirit of the very art they've been blessed with expressing.

                          Sure, we'd all like to make a buck along the way - but not to the point of making it a crime not to pay, or worse yet, calling it "wrong".

                          bravo

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                            nazz
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                            Greets,

                            Do you ask permission from the artists to listen to their music on the radio?

                            This issue has already been addressed a few posts back. Permission has already been granted, moreover the artists recieve royalties from the radio stations.

                            Or when one borrows a CD from the library?

                            This issue has already been addressed a few posts back. The item has already been purchased, and the library system condoned. Moreover, lending an object falls under an entirely different category to taking what you are not entitled to take. 'Take' here meaning to acquire permanent ownership in place of someone else's ownership.

                            Cheers

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                              Tay
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                              Peace Nazz,

                              This issue has already been addressed a few posts back. Permission has already been granted, moreover the artists recieve royalties from the radio stations.

                              OK...so, if I listen to a song on the radio - for which the artists have given permission and receive royalties, then why is it "wrong" to record it from the radio and listen to it on my own? What's the difference between listening to a song that's played 10 times on the radio, or listening to it 10 times from my own recording of it?

                              This issue has already been addressed a few posts back. The item has already been purchased, and the library system condoned. Moreover, lending an object falls under an entirely different category to taking what you are not entitled to take. 'Take' here meaning to acquire permanent ownership in place of someone else's ownership.

                              Funny how one can walk into a library, grab a book on, let's say, surreal painters, walk over to the photocopy machine and make as many copies of the paintings he/she likes with no repurcussions. He/she can take those photocopies home and make more copies for friends. No problem. but switch the art to "music" and it magically becomes "wrong"

                              Peace,
                              Tay

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                                tarikh
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                                Mistake. You dont have the right to make photocopies without permission.

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                                  Jack
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                                  Peace,

                                  Sorry to interrupt, but Tay would you mind sharing your work with us? I am sure I am not the only curious one.Thank you, in any case. peace

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                                    M_Mehdi
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                                    Sorry to interrupt, but Tay would you mind sharing your work with us? I am sure I am not the only curious one.Thank you, in any case. peace

                                    http//www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=296086

                                    from

                                    http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=10814.0

                                    bravo

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                                      zenje
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                                      Funny how one can walk into a library, grab a book on, let's say, surreal painters, walk over to the photocopy machine and make as many copies of the paintings he/she likes with no repurcussions. He/she can take those photocopies home and make more copies for friends. No problem. but switch the art to "music" and it magically becomes "wrong"

                                      Mistake. You dont have the right to make photocopies without permission.

                                      They have photocopying machines right there in the library, and no one will stop you if you photocopied a whole book. With music you'd either be fined or taken to court.

                                      Are you saying it's illegal to photocopy some pages of a book? ???

                                      peace

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                                        Tay
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                                        Peace,

                                        Thanks, M, for posting the link. I haven't seen it in a while myself. Needs updating ;D Any new tracks of your own??
                                        Thanks, DArgento, for your interest - keep it bookmarked if you're into it - I'll be uploading a bunch of new tracks over the next few weeks.
                                        And thanks, Zein, for recognizing and pointing out that NJ libraries aren't the only ones with copy machines.

                                        peace

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                                          zenje
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                                          You have libraries in NJ? ..............ooooooh!

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