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Not A Grammatical Error.

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    Alen
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    Peace,
    Respect.

    I've noticed this long time ago but didn't pay much attention

    091.015
    YUSUFALI And for Him is no fear of its consequences.
    PICKTHAL He dreadeth not the sequel (of events).
    SHAKIR And He fears not its consequence.

    And this same verse on this website and in my translation of The Message>>>>

    9115 Yet, those who came after remain heedless.

    My question couldn't be simpler
    why is this sentence different?

    And this is just the beginning of what I've noticed.
    Stay here, I'll be back.

    Peace.

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      loxbox13
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      Thank god i learned arabic LOL

      here for you i will translate it to you

      wa la takhafou okbaha

      wa =======and
      la========no
      yakhafou====( yakhafu = he has fear if it's present , yakhafu = he will fear if it's future
      okbaha =====it's consequences

      Here it is, litteral meaning from an ordinary person who is not a scholar and i did it with out reading the context so i can give word per word real translation and not what i think it means

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        sonnie
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        I would also like to know the answer to this... here is some more background info...

        Here are some major translations of 9115
        Yet, those who came after remain heedless
        Shabbir Ahmed For none of them had any fear of what might befall them
        Muhammad Asad for none had any fear of what might befall them.
        Farook Malik for none had any fear of what might befall them

        Abdel Haleem He did not hesitate to punish them
        M. M. Pickthall He dreadeth not the sequel (of events)
        Shakir And He fears not its consequence
        Yusuf Ali And for Him is no fear of its consequences
        For Allah fears no consequences nor to anything ever He is bound
        Abdul Majid Daryabadi And He feared not the consequence thereof
        Ahmed Ali And He does not fear its end/turn (result)
        Aisha Bewley And He does not fear the consequences
        Ali ?nal And He (being the All-Knowing and All-Powerful and All-Just) does not fear the outcome (of events)
        Ali Quli Qara'i And He does not fear its outcome
        Amatul Rahman Omar And He did not care at all for their end (as to what an utterly miserable state they were reduced)
        Hamid S. Aziz And He fears not the result thereof!
        Muhammad Mahmoud Ghali And He does not fear its Ultimate Outcome
        Muhammad Sarwar God is not afraid of the result of what He had decreed
        Muhammad Taqi Usmani And He has no fear of its consequence
        Syed Vickar Ahamed And for Him, there is no fear of its consequences
        Umm Muhammad And He does not fear the consequence thereof

        For a literal translation you can check here. The surah is broken down word by word
        http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=91&verse=15

        Salaam

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          Mazhar
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          http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/054.%20Al%20Qamar/54.29.gif
          Consequently they called their Leader whereat he drew the sword thereby hamstrung her.

          http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/091.Ash%20Shams/91.12a.gif
          when the most wicked of them undertook the assignment/job,

          http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/091.Ash%20Shams/91.15a.gif
          and he/the most wicked one was not fearing/mindful of its end result/eventuality.

          This describes the state/circumstance of the mind of the doer of act while he did that.

          Surat-91

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            Alen
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            Peace,
            Respect.

            I have 4 translations of The Qur'an now, one from free minds, called The Message and the three other ones, which somehow differ when it comes to translating certain verses.

            For example, chapter 30, verse 2 says that Romans have won but in the translations by sunnis it says that Romans have been defeated.

            Also 8327 is differently translated.

            I'm busy with this project now, so I'll be delivering more info on this matter in the future, God willing and I truly hope I'll locate the solution, God willing because there are so many translators out there and everyone agrees on same things but what I don't like is when people add a sentence or delete it or translate it completely differently. God knows best.

            May God forgive me, Iif I have made a sin/mistake/accusation, I'm just trying to make progress.
            Glory be to God.

            Peace. angel

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              Alen
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              Peace,
              Respect.

              Have you read this?

              In the name of God, the Almighty, the Merciful.
              301 ALM.
              302 The Romans have won.
              303 At the lowest part on the earth. But after their victory, they will be defeated.

              But have you read the same in other translations?
              In other translations it says that Romans have been defeated and later on they will win.

              ??? confused confused hmm hmm hmm

              Peace.

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                loxbox13
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                In the name of God, the Almighty, the Merciful.
                301 ALM.
                302 The Romans have won
                transliteration ( ghulibet erroum )
                .-------- Ghulibet = defeated
                -------- erroum = the romains
                303 At the lowest part on the earth. But after their victory, they will be defeated
                transliteration ( fi adna al ardh wa baadaha sa yaghliboone)
                ------Fi = in
                ------Adna = Lowest / nearest
                ------Al Ardh= the land / Earth
                ------Wa = and
                ------Baadaha = After that / after her / after it
                ------sa yaghriboune = They will win

                I translated word per word, without having in my mind the meaning of the sentence , i made in bold the words i am sure about, i left the others for you to make the sentence correctly with the english grammar

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                  loxbox13
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                  I believe that the best tranlation can only be made from someone who doesn't believe in any religion, an atheist for example , and does it sicere professionel work and in the same time understands perfectly arabic and english, as to myself, i see for exemple a verse that is called a miracle
                  the creation
                  we created the heavens and the earth as one piece than we clove them asunder
                  but in the quran it says
                  we created the heavens and the earth rataqa we fataqnahouma
                  rataqa = Seed / like plant's seed , Than fataqa in plurial = fataqnahouma = seed when it get cloved to give the plant or the tree, this is a litteral meaning

                  I think it's better to translate the quran's words litteraly and let people decide , or understand, just like arabs can understand what does a seed of a plan do when it get cloved to give a tree = parable of the big bang

                  Allah know best

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                    Mazhar
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                    I believe that the best tranlation can only be made from someone who doesn't believe in any religion, an atheist for example , and does it sicere professionel work and in the same time understands perfectly arabic and english, as to myself, i see for exemple a verse that is called a miracle
                    the creation
                    we created the heavens and the earth as one piece than we clove them asunder
                    but in the quran it says
                    we created the heavens and the earth rataqa we fataqnahouma
                    rataqa = Seed / like plant's seed , Than fataqa in plurial = fataqnahouma = seed when it get cloved to give the plant or the tree, this is a litteral meaning

                    I think it's better to translate the quran's words litteraly and let people decide , or understand, just like arabs can understand what does a seed of a plan do when it get cloved to give a tree = parable of the big bang

                    Allah know best

                    Please recheck, everything stated is incorrect.

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                      Mazhar
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                      In the name of God, the Almighty, the Merciful.
                      301 ALM.
                      302 The Romans have won
                      transliteration ( ghulibet erroum )
                      .-------- Ghulibet = defeated
                      -------- erroum = the romains
                      303 At the lowest part on the earth. But after their victory, they will be defeated
                      transliteration ( fi adna al ardh wa baadaha sa yaghliboone)
                      ------Fi = in
                      ------Adna = Lowest / nearest
                      ------Al Ardh= the land / Earth
                      ------Wa = and
                      ------Baadaha = After that / after her / after it
                      ------sa yaghriboune = They will win

                      I translated word per word, without having in my mind the meaning of the sentence , i made in bold the words i am sure about, i left the others for you to make the sentence correctly with the english grammar

                      There was a thread on this subject

                      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14787.60

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                        loxbox13
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                        Mazhar is that true? everything incorrect ? LOL
                        I thaught i knew it , can u please tell me what was incorrect exactly, if everything thani am out there lost , i really was typing what i thing i knew, if not i won't write something and without sayi '(g, that's what i think , so i am out of the signal than lol ok thanks, i 'll recheck what i wrote

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                          Mazhar
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                          Mazhar is that true? everything incorrect ? LOL
                          I thaught i knew it , can u please tell me what was incorrect exactly, if everything thani am out there lost , i really was typing what i thing i knew, if not i won't write something and without sayi '(g, that's what i think , so i am out of the signal than lol ok thanks, i 'll recheck what i wrote

                          It is always better not to depend upon one's memory while dealing with texts of a Book of another language and describing it in one's language.

                          we created the heavens and the earth rataqa we fataqnahouma
                          rataqa = Seed / like plant's seed , Than fataqa in plurial = fataqnahouma = seed when it get cloved to give the plant or the tree, this is a litteral meaning

                          http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/021.%20Al%20Anmbia/21.30a.gif
                          that the Skies and the Earth were both reconciled/united/sewed together and then We parted/clove them both asunder.

                          It is perfect deficient verb, third person; dual; feminine; and suffixed pronoun "alif" for dual third personfemine is the "subject noun of verb Kana, in nominative state".

                          is the predicate of "kana" in accusative case and is singular verbal noun.

                          Verbal sentence is the Predicate of

                          , the object pronoun, of the perfect verb with suffixed subject pronoun first person, plural, is again dual, third person, dual, feminine.

                          I hope it clarifies.

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                            loxbox13
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                            Thank you , what i didn't understand is the litteral traduction of the word rataqa, someone told me rataq is seed , plant's seed
                            but your explication makes more sense

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                              Mazhar
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                              Thank you , what i didn't understand is the litteral traduction of the word rataqa, someone told me rataq is seed , plant's seed
                              but your explication makes more sense

                              means to join together, to patch up; sticking together in such manner that there remains no gap/cleavage, opening, split. Verbal noun in the sentence indicates the state in which the Skies and Earth had been before the second action; layers pressed together into one mass; closed up mass.

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                                Alen
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                                Salaam, sisters & brothers.

                                Do you think if a person says the word God forsaken, is sinful/made a sin?
                                I mean, is it against The Qur'an? Just thought of it today.

                                May God forgive us all sins and improve us/make us progress/move forward in righteousness, InshaAllah.

                                Peace.

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