How could Muslims be so deceived?
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Greetings Maria,
Thanks for the sweet words. So few people really understand what we're going through....
Well I hope more people will realize what the real meanings are and that we must back to the inner worlds
Many so called muslims think they can heal themselves by reading Quran and face Makka and bow down 5 times a day on a rug. But this is not healing, it not take you anywhere. Real healings you get when you ask yourself , how you feel today! And you remind yourself of how beautiful you are and that you love yourself. You begin with yourself and then you can love your fellow brothers and sisters as a result of yourself love.The reasons why it exists so much hate and violence is that people use too much energy to face those awful things, if they instead could break this ugly trend and practise love and kindness.
I'm with you, that's for sure!!
All the prophets and philosophers have been knowing this, they have been practising the "Law of Attraction"
Cool. What an interesting observation. I hadn't thought of it that way before, but I think you could be right!
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Peace,
Thanks ILisa for bringing this to attention...
Many so called muslims think they can heal themselves by reading Quran and face Makka and bow down 5 times a day on a rug. But this is not healing, it not take you anywhere. Real healings you get when you ask yourself , how you feel today! And you remind yourself of how beautiful you are and that you love yourself. You begin with yourself and then you can love your fellow brothers and sisters as a result of yourself love.
There is healing in reading Quran and face Makka and bow down 5times a day etc... for some.. and for others perhaps a different ritual.. or no ritual at all... True unconditional love is bigger than ourselves and our subjective beliefs.. Love is not in minimizing the experience of another which we do not fully understand or feel does not work for us.. well if Love is what we're talking about here. Love at times can be most diffcult and esp when we want to share that Love with others... so we minimize them to help them... but soon we realize that Love is a fragile state... peace
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Greetings M_Mehdi,
Thanks ILisa for bringing this to attention...
There is healing in reading Quran
Boy, I sure wouldn't go against the fact that there is healing in the Qur'an, but does it come by mindlessly reading the Qur'an? That I'm not sure of -- and that is what the majority of muslims I have known have the habit of doing -- either out of trying to read the Qur'an in a week or less, or reading the Qur'an in Arabic when they don't understand Arabic. This is what I took Maria to be speaking about. Not whether healing comes from the Qur'an....that's a whole other topic.....
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Peace Mehdi and Lisa,
Yes, I was talking about healing when you understand the healing in itself. Quran is of course a healing if and when you understand its meaning.
Many years ago when i still practise sunnism, I wasn't satisfied, I couldn't heal myself and I didn't understood why, I was doing everything perfect, i was nearly an fanatic follower of sunnism. So I started to ask God, what i was doing wrong and I asked to be guided on the right path.
My beggings was heard and here I am today, a follower of only one powerful force and who keep asking questions and wish for things that I need.
Maria
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Peace Maria n ILisa,
I understand what you mean. I know in Mexico they still give many sermons at the churches in Latin. Most of the people who attend those churches cannot understand the sermons. It seems difficult to understand for some how these people can have so much faith without understanding a word from the sermons etc.. and many don't even read.. let alone read the Bible... However, there is an immense amount of faith that many have there. So many live good and righteous lives based on their internal faith.
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What makes you believe that quranists are following Islam in the manner of the prophet? Just because the quranists claim to? Well, so do sunnis, shias, etc etc.
The prophet faithfully conveyed the message of the Quran and being an example and a mercy to mankind obviously he followed its injunctions. In as far as we do the same and follow only the protected teachings of the Quran and not of Abu Hureyra we may be pretty confident we are on the track of the prophet and the first muslims.
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Peace G. Omar,
The prophet faithfully conveyed the message of the Quran and being an example and a mercy to mankind obviously he followed its injunctions. In as far as we do the same and follow only the protected teachings of the Quran and not of Abu Hureyra we may be pretty confident we are on the track of the prophet and the first muslims.Peace
I don't think there is a sect within islam that claims not to be "on the track of the prophet and the first muslims." This is what I meant by subjective reality. Every sect rejoices in that which is with itself. It's when each sect wants to claim or own Islam for itself where things starts to break down. And it usually breaks down in the sense of "us" and "them."
peace.. peace
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Mehdi,
I agree! The problem starts when we get over-confident, i.e. we lose our actual humbleness (regardless of how humble martyrlike we try to portray ourselves). The problem arises when we think we know it all, when "they" are wrong and "we" are right because "our system" is the best. There is a great problem in not realizing that we, as humans, do infact know very little about anything. We limit ourslves and others due to our limited capacity of understanding, and very soon we have put everyone in a labelled box.
The world (physical, spiritual, emotional, social...) is so much bigger than we can imagine, and it is just rediculous we we think we know what is right and what is wrong... how can we know this when we can't grasp much of what exists anyway. Everything has a reason, everything has its own circumstance and context, and we just can't judge it accurately without knowing EVERYTHING about it, which humans can't do. I guess only God can know it all... be still we love to judge and say how things ARE. But we don't know, we just think we do.
People limit themselves and their judgements to their hobby religions. They shut of themselves and turn on the religion. They forget to observe the world, the creation... and not only the physical creation, not just the beautiful flowers and amazing ant stacks and such cliches, but also the spiritual world, intution, love, emotions, the unseen world which we can't see but feel...
Ulf
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Peace,
I believe the reason sects evolved is first of all the idealisation of the particular prophet one follows and second conjecture and wild stories about what a prophet supposedly said or did that we need to follow and third taking clergy as our Lords giving them the right of interpretation.
We will not all believe exactly the same if we follow the Quran, but if we leave our differences to God then none has the right to label us a sect. yay -
Peace G. Omar,
I don't think there is a sect within islam that claims not to be "on the track of the prophet and the first muslims." This is what I meant by subjective reality. Every sect rejoices in that which is with itself. It's when each sect wants to claim or own Islam for itself where things starts to break down. And it usually breaks down in the sense of "us" and "them."
peace.. peace
People using the term "we" doesn't mean that "we" are not individuals.
There's a difference between a mindless "we" (i.e. the "cultural muslims" and a thinking "we".
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People using the term "we" doesn't mean that "we" are not individuals.
There's a difference between a mindless "we" (i.e. the "cultural muslims" and a thinking "we".
I understand what you mean, OPF. If you notice many times when the word we is being used in these senses it is being used as a form of seperation instead of inclusion. Kind of like your example of "cultural muslims" vs. "thinking we."
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The problem starts when we get over-confident, i.e. we lose our actual humbleness (regardless of how humble martyrlike we try to portray ourselves). The problem arises when we think we know it all, when "they" are wrong and "we" are right because "our system" is the best. There is a great problem in not realizing that we, as humans, do infact know very little about anything. We limit ourslves and others due to our limited capacity of understanding, and very soon we have put everyone in a labelled box.
The world (physical, spiritual, emotional, social...) is so much bigger than we can imagine, and it is just rediculous we we think we know what is right and what is wrong... how can we know this when we can't grasp much of what exists anyway. Everything has a reason, everything has its own circumstance and context, and we just can't judge it accurately without knowing EVERYTHING about it, which humans can't do. I guess only God can know it all... be still we love to judge and say how things ARE. But we don't know, we just think we do.
People limit themselves and their judgements to their hobby religions. They shut of themselves and turn on the religion. They forget to observe the world, the creation... and not only the physical creation, not just the beautiful flowers and amazing ant stacks and such cliches, but also the spiritual world, intution, love, emotions, the unseen world which we can't see but feel...
bravo
thanks for your post! as we say, "true word... "
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I understand what you mean, OPF. If you notice many times when the word we is being used in these senses it is being used as a form of seperation instead of inclusion. Kind of like your example of "cultural muslims" vs. "thinking we."
This is all semantics but I meant "cultural muslims" as in "non-thinking muslims", they're opposites.
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This is all semantics but I meant "cultural muslims" as in "non-thinking muslims", they're opposites.
Yeah, I hear you on the semantics part. It was just my point being that there is no difference. I understood what you meant about cultural muslims vs. thinking muslims. I think there is a bit of both in each. peace
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Greetings Zulf,
The problem starts when we get over-confident, i.e. we lose our actual humbleness (regardless of how humble martyrlike we try to portray ourselves). The problem arises when we think we know it all, when "they" are wrong and "we" are right because "our system" is the best.
People limit themselves and their judgements to their hobby religions. They shut off themselves and turn on the religion. They forget to observe the world, the creation... and not only the physical creation, not just the beautiful flowers and amazing ant stacks and such cliches, but also the spiritual world, intution, love, emotions, the unseen world which we can't see but feel...
Yes! Well said! bravo
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Salaams All!
What has happened to the Muslims of today (Traditionalists) that they consider those that practice Islam in the manner of the prophet and the early Muslims (ie. following Gods commandments as found in the Quran)as Kafir whose blood is licit?!! '(
If you are talking about the Hadith which talk about killing a person who speak the Quran but don,t understand then may Allah protect people around you because you will take the words of swords in Quran literally and may harm people around you on the base of those verses but just because word kill mention does not necessary means kill literally..... some time or most of the time you can kill peoples emotionally rather than killing them physically...
or well you only need to kill the harm in the peoples and for that most of times you only need to communicate well with the others......
about the topic headline and not what you wrote in your post here is my reply from Quran..........
057.016 Has not the Time arrived for the Believers that their hearts in all humility should engage in the remembrance of Allah and of the Truth which has been revealed (to them), and that they should not become like those to whom was given Revelation aforetime, but long ages passed over them and their hearts grew hard? For many among them are rebellious transgressors.
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If you are talking about the Hadith which talk about killing a person who speak the Quran but don,t understand then may Allah protect people around you because you will take the words of swords in Quran literally and may harm people around you on the base of those verses but just because word kill mention does not necessary means kill literally..... some time or most of the time you can kill peoples emotionally rather than killing them physically...
or well you only need to kill the harm in the peoples and for that most of times you only need to communicate well with the others......
Peace Naxus
I was talking about the Sunnis who hold that Quranics are out of the fold of Islam and therefore permissible to kill, voodoo
about the topic headline and not what you wrote in your post here is my reply from Quran..........
057.016 Has not the Time arrived for the Believers that their hearts in all humility should engage in the remembrance of Allah and of the Truth which has been revealed (to them), and that they should not become like those to whom was given Revelation aforetime, but long ages passed over them and their hearts grew hard? For many among them are rebellious transgressors.