Artificial life likely in 3 to 10 years
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Peace all,
From what I understand, God being a Light is not literal, it just means that everything is in existance because of God, as well as the nurture and a thousand other reasons. Light is a creation and is physical, God cannot be light.
Same with the Quantum Field. Digress a couple years back and we could say that God was electrons. In all actuality, God is everything because without giving us life, we wouldnt be in existance.
Peace
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Creation shouldn't be confused with creator.
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Peace "ignoramus",
salam brother Jonny
when i say creation, i mean something completely different.
JK- Alright what do you mean then? please define.
i think you are getting lost in semantics; when God says He is the light of the heavens and the Earth, He does not mean physical light.
JK- NONSENSE. Now your becoming same as those spiritual mystics. The Quran only mentions the allegory AFTER the claim that GOD is the Light of the heavens and the earth.
if you worship Higgs bosons, do you worship any particular one, or all of the billions and billions of them? i cannot see any difference in worshipping a Higgs boson and a piece of rock.
JK- ALL OF THEM COMBINED. And if you cannot see the difference between this and worshipping a rock i cannot help you. These particles together have passed throughan infinite amount of evolution and hence must have acquired the highest possible amount of rationalty.
what you loosely call the quantum field is not of infinite age, it is only aas old as the universe. it is also not one single entity.
JK- As is aid time does not have a beginning in the absolute sense and the quantum particles were ALWAYS THERE. Regarding mere quantum field it is true one can say there are more than one by diferenatiation but the Higgs Field is one only. It defines the unified quantum field since elemenatry particles last but not least als consist of quantum particles.
what has infinite regression to do with God?
JK- Infinite regression inevatibly lead to the rise of GOD. Thats what ive been trying to make clear.
they are not created; E=mc2
JK- Man i explained creation is a type of differenatiation process. When quantum particles are "destroyed" or change their form they turn into elementary particles and this is creation. If you have a better definition go ahead and explain please.
i do not understand what you mean.
salam
JK- Everything in the universe is linked with the Higgs Field and every particle is of dual wave and paticle nature. GOD Bless!
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Peace "amuslim",
Peace all,
From what I understand, God being a Light is not literal, it just means that everything is in existance because of God, as well as the nurture and a thousand other reasons. Light is a creation and is physical, God cannot be light.
Same with the Quantum Field. Digress a couple years back and we could say that God was electrons. In all actuality, God is everything because without giving us life, we wouldnt be in existance.
Peace
JK- All reserach to date has shown that Light is the ultimate substance which only consists of further light(light upon light as GOD is also defined in the Quran). If GOD is not Light then the Quran is false since the Quran does NOT talk about any spiritual light in the related verse. Life and/or existence could also result out of infinite regression. The reason why GOD exists is because He would always be there at any instant a finite rational being emerges since at that point infinite regression WOULD ALREADY HAVE TAKEN PLACE AND WITH IT INFINITE EVOLUTION AND HENCE 1) INFINTE AMOUNT OF INTELLIGENCE 2) GREATEST INTELLIGENCE POSSIBLE(if we consider this universe to be the oly one in existence) which could only have been achieved by the unification of undifferentiated qunatum particles. GOD Bless!
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Greetings all,
I'm with jonny_K on this. See also
Re The 'Global Brain'
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Greetings Zulf,
Thanks for the recommendation. Did you catch the quotes "Every photon of light is an identical unit of ACTION," and "Light is the first manifestation of the Absolute"?
Pretty cool, especially if you turn it around to say then that every action that we take is adding light to our essence - our being - and bringing us one step closer to the Absolute!
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Peace jonny_K
All reserach to date has shown that Light is the ultimate substance which only consists of further light(light upon light as GOD is also defined in the Quran). If GOD is not Light then the Quran is false since the Quran does NOT talk about any spiritual light in the related verse. Life and/or existence could also result out of infinite regression.
"Research" =/= Reality
In any case, did light cause the big bang? Was there light before the big bang?
I believe you are trying to fit modern 'research' into a quranic verse that's obviously a metaphor.
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Greetings DArgento,
As you've seen, I generally support jonny_k on this topic, and as such, feel the need to comment about light as a metaphor in the verse.
I wouldn't want to merely fit modern 'research' into a Qur'anic verse, but we can use the understanding of the workings of the world around us in order to better understand what God has written. With that in mind, let me give this a try
In the book "The Field," Lynn McTaggart has a chapter entitled "Beings of Light", in it she writes about the work of physicist Fritz-Albert Popp on the photo repair system of the human body. It's pretty complicated, but to simplify in order to make my point, his work proved that a weak, yet very coherent light of 380 nanometers was somehow being produced in living systems - 'coherent' meaning that the light is communicating, resonating, working together intelligently. This energy is the driving force for all the molecules in any living system. It's what makes the difference between something that is 'living' and something that is 'dead'.
He then determined that this light is stored in the DNA which in turn acts as the tuning fork of the body, striking a particular frequency that certain molecules follow, thereby explaining how one cell is able to become a fully formed living system. Popp's work explains cell coordination and communication, further determining that a weak light emission was indeed the most suitable to orchestrate the 100,000 chemical reactions per cell/per second because these communications are occurring on the quantum level (of light communication) -- higher intensities would 'be felt only in the world of the large'. In all living organisms these light emission follow a certain set pattern - biological rhythms of 7, 14, 32, 80, and 270 days.
Furthermore, his work showed that the number of photons emitted by a living organism is linked to its position on the 'evolutionary scale' -- the more complex the organism, the fewer photons being emitted. And.....when living cells are bombarded with light, the cells would take this light and after a delay, shine intensely, passing on the light in an act of maintaining equilibrium.
For instance, he found that MS patients were taking on (absorbing) too much light and not emitting it and so producing too strong a degree of communicative control in their bodies, preventing flexibility and individuality -- drowning out the possibility of individual cells' ability to improvise when needed. (NB MS patients are known for their 'iron will', mental hardness and hard heartedness.)
On the other hand, cancer patients were shown to have totally lost the coherence and natural periodic rhythms. In effect, they are losing their connection, their light is going out.
But, back to the question at hand, Popp also discovered that light emissions also have a purpose outside of the body - wave resonance (of light) is also used for communication between living things.
So, without further adieu...back to the verse....does it make more literal sense?
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Peace ILisa,
Interesting, fascinating stuff! Have her claims been verified by others in the scientific community?
I will have to think about that.
What if light is the creation? How do we know that it's not the creation?
Making sure, And are you saying that light = God? Or God's energy?
I am sincerely asking these questions to hopefully learn, no other motives involved here. Skepticism leads to the best possible answers.
It could still be a metaphor. Light= right path
Dark = wrong path; absence of guidance etc..
I wouldn't want to merely fit modern 'research' into a Qur'anic verse, but we can use the understanding of the workings of the world around us in order to better understand what God has written. With that in mind, let me give this a try
Nothing wrong with that IMO.
Perhaps, that's meant to be taken both literally by some and metaphorically by others. I believe al-quran was written this way.
Have you read the verse in context? Do you still come to the same conclusion?
So, without further adieu...back to the verse....does it make more literal sense?
That depends on the individual, doesn't it?
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Greetings DArgento,
Well, to re-read the ayah (working from Mohd. Asad's translation), it says, 'God is the Light of the heavens and the earth'...that's pretty self-explanatory. For the created heavens and earth, God is the Light. In ayah 40 of the same surah, in continuance of the same line of thought, God talks about darkness, saying that '...he to whom God gives no light, no light whatever has he!'
This, for me, verifies at least a good part of what I have conveyed in my previous posting in this thread.
I obviously don't know 'what' God is, but from what mankind understands, God would have to be energy, pure energy. That brings us to question what is light?? Light is both particles and waves. (To have this type of essence is unique...) Light IS energy and light has mass. Gravity attracts mass.
Okay, let's step back a bit and think.....God is 'All that is' and creation is a subset of God and All that 'is'. Are you with me? Creation doesn't exist outside of God, it exists within God. "God is the light of the heavens and earth and ...he to whom God gives no light, no light whatever has he. " Referring to my previous post, if you have no light, you're dead, you no longer exist. So....to have light is to have coherence, to have communication, to exist. So, if God is light and created creatures have to have light to exist, then, light can still literally be God and be the essence of all that is created.
Whew! Does that make sense??
(BTW, this is a nice thought exercise.....!)
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Greetings DArgento,
I'm confused. confused
I read the ayaat around it; in fact I also wrote about ayah 40 as well. Since I'm not getting the point you're trying to make, I'll have to ask you to spell it out for me. Sorry. We seem to be on different 'trains of thought'. (!!)
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Peace ILisa,
I owe you an apology. I responded too soon with my last, quick post. brickwall Just ignore it.
Okay, let's step back a bit and think.....God is 'All that is' and creation is a subset of God and All that 'is'. Are you with me? Creation doesn't exist outside of God, it exists within God. "God is the light of the heavens and earth and ...he to whom God gives no light, no light whatever has he. " Referring to my previous post, if you have no light, you're dead, you no longer exist. So....to have light is to have coherence, to have communication, to exist. So, if God is light and created creatures have to have light to exist, then, light can still literally be God and be the essence of all that is created.
I completely agree with that. In both the verses referenced, the light is referred to as an allegory, no? Let's forget about that for now...I guess the question is... Is God limited to the light, in your opinion? My feelings are that God is everywhere and in all creation. And that light could be God, but I still think it's a stretch to say that Light is God period.
However, I never eliminate any possiblities.
Whew! Does that make sense??
I think?
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Peace "Dargento",
Peace jonny_K
"Research" =/= Reality
JK- Yes scientific reserach comes as close to reality as it can get.
In any case, did light cause the big bang? Was there light before the big bang?
JK- YES QUANTUM FLUX/LIGHT(as in conventional language) WAS ALWAYS THERE. IT is what caused the big bang and perhaps an in finite amount of other bangs as suggested now by Stephen Hawkins in his "theory for everything" model(http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLprHMq4ZkM).
I believe you are trying to fit modern 'research' into a quranic verse that's obviously a metaphor.
JK- No the first part of the verse does NOT appear to be a metaphorical or allegorical. The second is allegorical as it starts with the term "mathala" and is used to give an approximate description for us to understand it in the best way possible but only experience could really make us understand further eg like also in case of heaven and hell. If you have never seen green as a color it would be difficult to explain it to you and one can only use allegories to approximate it. GOD Bless!
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Peace
The explanation's offered kills the beuty of the these verses
Lareb
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Peace
Your right.I know its my opinoin.
Lareb
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sallams brother,
i have just finished a post graduate course On Artificial Intelligence and Natural Sytems, and it is very true that some AI branches are loosely based on natural systems, namely Genetics ( Genetics programs and Genetic Algorithms) and neural Networks. Also some computer scientisits and researchers have been looking at how our natural defence system , to bacterial attacks from outside the body react, and try to copy the behaviour for computer systems thus reducing computing failiures doue to virus attacks.
The DNA proteins are being researched for thier capabilities as memory storage, a dna strand contains a "databank" of codes using protiens that are arranged in specific order, these prehaps can be used to store code, 010001 etc.
The research on creating a plasma based "chip" is very young however now we are talking about Artificial Life..which is a offshoot of AI.
So the times ahead are going to be interseting, AI is already very widespread but people dont realise it because most of the AI is embedded in Other systems..eg traffic light systems..weather prediction..not to mention the Internet!
Salaams Bros Sis's,
Sister Aysha.