POLYGAMY NOT THERE IN QURAN?
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The rule of the arabic sentence construction (whether classical or colloquial) is that the adjective should conform to the gender of the noun it describes. Yataama is a masculine plural, therefore the construction cannot be that of noun-adjective. We are left with the only other relation between the two nouns possessiveness (X of Y) orphans of women.
Dear Samia
Quran came first then grammar was invented as per your opinion.But now you are taking the support of that grammar.Samia said
Heading The Quran grammatical errors
date Nov 24
Reply No 7'I read other explanations which emanate from Zamakhshari. It says that it's "laakin" not "laakinna", and hence its function stops. Just like "inn haathaani lasaahiraani", which is not "inna".
As for the former verse, we are still left with "muqimiina" being the "odd" one, as in your post.
This "justification" creates yet another problem according to grammarians "laakin" and "inn" should not be followed by a nominal sentence!!The problem with grammarians is that they invented rules and then tried to fit the quraan into them.
What is the standard of grammar being correct or wrong?
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God does not love the Arrogant....
And you seem to love "free minders" more than Al Quran...I wonder if God considers that arrogant? hmm
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Dear Samia
Quran came first then grammar was invented as per your opinion.But now you are taking the support of that grammar.Samia said
Heading The Quran grammatical errors
date Nov 24
Reply No 7What is the standard of grammar being correct or wrong?
Salaam
This is not the appropriate thread. Would you please take your question to the relevant thread and I will respond, If so God wills -
Sorry. You're rght. I only know C
It would seem that thru our experiences we all have felt the reasons that God tells
us that no matter how hard we try we can only please one wife..The good news is that I don't think it is ever too late to start FRESH, and NEW,
like the New Year...I hope that your friend C will find someone that will bring happiness, and a future...
Seems like we have proven here that God does really NOT want Poligamy, and
has created a path to teach those who still believe in it the way back
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It would seem that thru our experiences we all have felt the reasons that God tells
us that no matter how hard we try we can only please one wife..This must be one of your "freeminders' hadeeth", because this is not said in Al Quran, nor have you contributed anything to make such an absurd assumption.
Seems like we have proven here that God does really NOT want Poligamy, and
has created a path to teach those who still believe in it the way back
to the happy path...The only thing that you have proven is that you haven't read the entire thread or studied the material presented. Your happy path lies only in your mind, not in following Al Quran. So enjoy your mental ride. It is a freemind that you have for sure. Too bad that you don't realize that there is a debt to pay back.
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Salaams farida,
By the way, Im not a "free minder". I am a muslim that follows Al Quran alone as a divine scripture of guidance, sent and protected by Allah.
As Salaamu Alaikum, angel
Salaam IMQ
I too call myself a believing Muslim, by free minder I meant those who take part in this forum,
Best regards
farida -
It would seem that thru our experiences we all have felt the reasons that God tells
us that no matter how hard we try we can only please one wife..The good news is that I don't think it is ever too late to start FRESH, and NEW,
like the New Year...I hope that your friend C will find someone that will bring happiness, and a future...
Seems like we have proven here that God does really NOT want Poligamy, and
has created a path to teach those who still believe in it the way back
to the happy path...Salaam
I am sorry I haven?t seen many successful, monogamous marriages. What the example above shows is that C should be careful before going after married man or she will be humiliated and that A should think carefully about the later effect of his actions before jumping into another marriage especially if he has no complaint regarding his existing wife.
Polygyny would work if A and B are unhappy together and stay together for the sake of the children (many couples stay together without any relationship for the sake of their business or properties) or B could not have children and so A wanted his children.
Allah swt allowed divorce even if you have children, so it?s not like for Catholics who have no option to divorce but with polygyny you have the option not to break up the family unnecessarily.
What Samia?s and my examples of A B and C showed was that taking another wife is no ball game; it is a tough decision with consequences and this should not be seen as a liberty but a liability.Best regards
farida -
I think the world is undergoing a complete crisis. And I mean crisis without any negative connotation. Everything must be brought in the open, everything must be considered anew, everything must be minutely and throughly examined to the bottom of it. Marriage, children, economy, everything. We should not react as it is was a bad thing. We should react with a sense of responsibility and privilege. We cannot uphold unquestionned assumptions forever. We cannot rely on the easy way out of looking at some step by step instructions. We must go to the bottom of everything that sustains life and society and not be afraid of finding anything. Truth can never hurt, but we can be hurt by our unwillingness to face and love truth. Nothing that is should be seen as necessarily negative. One thing I have learnt living is that no matter how owful an event may be, what is left after can always be turned into a basis for something good and positive, it depends on us turning it so. That is a gift that God has put into His creation, and therefore we must never be afraid of anything. Nothing is going to come that is cannot be made into a source of goodness.
Waht we may have to go through in this age is a complete overhaul of persons, family, social and economic relations. May God bless us and give us wisdon and understanding to be thankful for His gifts.
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Sounds like you would like to be quite the philospher. But you would be better served to base ALL of your philosophy off of the principals contained in Al Quran and not your little life experiences. A hint to the wise is usually sufficient. hmm
I think the world is undergoing a complete crisis. And I mean crisis without any negative connotation. Everything must be brought in the open, everything must be considered anew, everything must be minutely and throughly examined to the bottom of it. Marriage, children, economy, everything. We should not react as it is was a bad thing. We should react with a sense of responsibility and privilege. We cannot uphold unquestionned assumptions forever. We cannot rely on the easy way out of looking at some step by step instructions. We must go to the bottom of everything that sustains life and society and not be afraid of finding anything. Truth can never hurt, but we can be hurt by our unwillingness to face and love truth. Nothing that is should be seen as necessarily negative. One thing I have learnt living is that no matter how owful an event may be, what is left after can always be turned into a basis for something good and positive, it depends on us turning it so. That is a gift that God has put into His creation, and therefore we must never be afraid of anything. Nothing is going to come that is cannot be made into a source of goodness.
Waht we may have to go through in this age is a complete overhaul of persons, family, social and economic relations. May God bless us and give us wisdon and understanding to be thankful for His gifts.
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Dear IQO,
why should I not speak out of what I know by experience? We all do. Some of us try to make it pass as if it was from the qur'an others do not. But it is not forbidden as far as I know in the rules of the forum to speak from own knowledge or reasoning. What is not legitimate is to do so and say that you are quoting the qur'an. So I am not cheating anybody and it is up to each person to do whatever we want with whatever we read.
Salaam,
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Salaam huruf,
If you re-read my last post to you carefully, you will see that my advice to you is to try to base your philosophy from Al Quran and not just your life experiences. There is no mention from me about what you can, should or should not post on the forum, clearly this forum is also a free expression of opinions; for which I am not trying to limit but rather giving advice. So the forum rules were not an issue to me in my last post to you. Don't forget to read the last part in that last post again, if it makes any sense to you! jedi
Salaams, peace
Dear IQO,
why should I not speak out of what I know by experience? We all do. Some of us try to make it pass as if it was from the qur'an others do not. But it is not forbidden as far as I know in the rules of the forum to speak from own knowledge or reasoning. What is not legitimate is to do so and say that you are quoting the qur'an. So I am not cheating anybody and it is up to each person to do whatever we want with whatever we read.
Salaam,
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Khalifa
The earth is full of signs for those who are certain.This would include 'personal expriences'.
If Al Quran is truthful, it will verify everything we experience.
How one's marital life goes or doesn't go can not be used as guidance for following Allah. Period!
Signs being in the earth is completely different from that. If you can't understand the difference in the two, I can't add anything else to help you with that.
If Al Quran is truthful, is not a statement for believers in it, we already KNOW that it is. What we experience in life can be full of falsehoods and in that since all things are verified in Al Quran because it stresses the difference between truth and falsehood as absolutes. Personal experiences still can't be guidance like Al Quran is, not for the masses.
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I think the world is undergoing a complete crisis. And I mean crisis without any negative connotation. Everything must be brought in the open, everything must be considered anew, everything must be minutely and throughly examined to the bottom of it. Marriage, children, economy, everything.
Salaam Sis Huruf,
I have addressed you as sister, since many seem to think you are a brother; maybe because you are worried about the shortage of men. He he he or rotfl.Anyway, regarding your concern above that we are not gods and it is not our problem to come up with the solution for this century?s problem. Our job is to apply the rules of Allah, not invent new ones.
Allah(swt) kept this world in proportion for all this time and, this too will be taken care of insha?Allah. What amazes me is that, despite the great number of available singles quite a few women and men too are more attracted to the attached ones. Is it that the grass is greener on the other side or is this a case of the ?forbidden fruit? lure?
hmm
Best regards
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Salaam Sis Huruf,
I have addressed you as sister, since many seem to think you are a brother; maybe because you are worried about the shortage of men. He he he or rotfl.Huruf is a sister? o o o Now I understand ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh so much better! rotfl rotfl rotfl Wow, why didn't you just tell me so that I could handle you differently? ignore I can be more understanding of somethings from sisters instead of brothers. hmm Do you believe that? nope
You and Samia are definitely two of a kind! yes
Peace, jedi handshake
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Huruf is a sister? o o o Now I understand ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh so much better! rotfl rotfl rotfl Wow, why didn't you just tell me so that ignore I can be more understanding of somethings from sisters instead of brothers. hmm Do you believe that? nope
You and Samia are definitely two of a kind! yes
Peace, jedi handshake
I beg your pardon IQO
MY post was not directed to you but a light hearted response to the onset of 2008, as in other threads people have been calling huruf brother ...do we have to be sarcastic all the time???And could you explain what do you mean by this?
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I beg your pardon IQO
MY post was not directed to you but a light hearted response to the onset of 2008, as in other threads people have been calling huruf brother ...do we have to be sarcastic all the time???And could you explain what do you mean by this?
I didn't say that your post was directed to me, nor do I care. Anything written on a public forum is available for the public to comment on. I can be sarcastic, funny, serious, happy or whatever other emotion that I want to be at anytime on this forum. That's part of being free I guess and I would expect a "freeminder" to understand that. When your name becomes huruf, then I will explain to you what I said to her.
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The first time you say something nice about me! Are you alright?
We all have GOOD and BAD things about us! tempt Im not one who thinks like the "I am holier than thou" syndromers. nope I try to be an angel but of course I have my >D as well! yes