POLYGAMY NOT THERE IN QURAN?
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Sorry. You're rght. I only know C
It would seem that thru our experiences we all have felt the reasons that God tells
us that no matter how hard we try we can only please one wife..The good news is that I don't think it is ever too late to start FRESH, and NEW,
like the New Year...I hope that your friend C will find someone that will bring happiness, and a future...
Seems like we have proven here that God does really NOT want Poligamy, and
has created a path to teach those who still believe in it the way back
to the happy path... -
It would seem that thru our experiences we all have felt the reasons that God tells
us that no matter how hard we try we can only please one wife..This must be one of your "freeminders' hadeeth", because this is not said in Al Quran, nor have you contributed anything to make such an absurd assumption.
Seems like we have proven here that God does really NOT want Poligamy, and
has created a path to teach those who still believe in it the way back
to the happy path...The only thing that you have proven is that you haven't read the entire thread or studied the material presented. Your happy path lies only in your mind, not in following Al Quran. So enjoy your mental ride. It is a freemind that you have for sure. Too bad that you don't realize that there is a debt to pay back.
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Salaams farida,
By the way, Im not a "free minder". I am a muslim that follows Al Quran alone as a divine scripture of guidance, sent and protected by Allah.
As Salaamu Alaikum, angel
Salaam IMQ
I too call myself a believing Muslim, by free minder I meant those who take part in this forum,
Best regards
farida -
It would seem that thru our experiences we all have felt the reasons that God tells
us that no matter how hard we try we can only please one wife..The good news is that I don't think it is ever too late to start FRESH, and NEW,
like the New Year...I hope that your friend C will find someone that will bring happiness, and a future...
Seems like we have proven here that God does really NOT want Poligamy, and
has created a path to teach those who still believe in it the way back
to the happy path...Salaam
I am sorry I haven?t seen many successful, monogamous marriages. What the example above shows is that C should be careful before going after married man or she will be humiliated and that A should think carefully about the later effect of his actions before jumping into another marriage especially if he has no complaint regarding his existing wife.
Polygyny would work if A and B are unhappy together and stay together for the sake of the children (many couples stay together without any relationship for the sake of their business or properties) or B could not have children and so A wanted his children.
Allah swt allowed divorce even if you have children, so it?s not like for Catholics who have no option to divorce but with polygyny you have the option not to break up the family unnecessarily.
What Samia?s and my examples of A B and C showed was that taking another wife is no ball game; it is a tough decision with consequences and this should not be seen as a liberty but a liability.Best regards
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I think the world is undergoing a complete crisis. And I mean crisis without any negative connotation. Everything must be brought in the open, everything must be considered anew, everything must be minutely and throughly examined to the bottom of it. Marriage, children, economy, everything. We should not react as it is was a bad thing. We should react with a sense of responsibility and privilege. We cannot uphold unquestionned assumptions forever. We cannot rely on the easy way out of looking at some step by step instructions. We must go to the bottom of everything that sustains life and society and not be afraid of finding anything. Truth can never hurt, but we can be hurt by our unwillingness to face and love truth. Nothing that is should be seen as necessarily negative. One thing I have learnt living is that no matter how owful an event may be, what is left after can always be turned into a basis for something good and positive, it depends on us turning it so. That is a gift that God has put into His creation, and therefore we must never be afraid of anything. Nothing is going to come that is cannot be made into a source of goodness.
Waht we may have to go through in this age is a complete overhaul of persons, family, social and economic relations. May God bless us and give us wisdon and understanding to be thankful for His gifts.
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Sounds like you would like to be quite the philospher. But you would be better served to base ALL of your philosophy off of the principals contained in Al Quran and not your little life experiences. A hint to the wise is usually sufficient. hmm
I think the world is undergoing a complete crisis. And I mean crisis without any negative connotation. Everything must be brought in the open, everything must be considered anew, everything must be minutely and throughly examined to the bottom of it. Marriage, children, economy, everything. We should not react as it is was a bad thing. We should react with a sense of responsibility and privilege. We cannot uphold unquestionned assumptions forever. We cannot rely on the easy way out of looking at some step by step instructions. We must go to the bottom of everything that sustains life and society and not be afraid of finding anything. Truth can never hurt, but we can be hurt by our unwillingness to face and love truth. Nothing that is should be seen as necessarily negative. One thing I have learnt living is that no matter how owful an event may be, what is left after can always be turned into a basis for something good and positive, it depends on us turning it so. That is a gift that God has put into His creation, and therefore we must never be afraid of anything. Nothing is going to come that is cannot be made into a source of goodness.
Waht we may have to go through in this age is a complete overhaul of persons, family, social and economic relations. May God bless us and give us wisdon and understanding to be thankful for His gifts.
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Dear IQO,
why should I not speak out of what I know by experience? We all do. Some of us try to make it pass as if it was from the qur'an others do not. But it is not forbidden as far as I know in the rules of the forum to speak from own knowledge or reasoning. What is not legitimate is to do so and say that you are quoting the qur'an. So I am not cheating anybody and it is up to each person to do whatever we want with whatever we read.
Salaam,
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Salaam huruf,
If you re-read my last post to you carefully, you will see that my advice to you is to try to base your philosophy from Al Quran and not just your life experiences. There is no mention from me about what you can, should or should not post on the forum, clearly this forum is also a free expression of opinions; for which I am not trying to limit but rather giving advice. So the forum rules were not an issue to me in my last post to you. Don't forget to read the last part in that last post again, if it makes any sense to you! jedi
Salaams, peace
Dear IQO,
why should I not speak out of what I know by experience? We all do. Some of us try to make it pass as if it was from the qur'an others do not. But it is not forbidden as far as I know in the rules of the forum to speak from own knowledge or reasoning. What is not legitimate is to do so and say that you are quoting the qur'an. So I am not cheating anybody and it is up to each person to do whatever we want with whatever we read.
Salaam,
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The earth is full of signs for those who are certain.This would include 'personal expriences'.
If Al Quran is truthful, it will verify everything we experience.
How one's marital life goes or doesn't go can not be used as guidance for following Allah. Period!
Signs being in the earth is completely different from that. If you can't understand the difference in the two, I can't add anything else to help you with that.
If Al Quran is truthful, is not a statement for believers in it, we already KNOW that it is. What we experience in life can be full of falsehoods and in that since all things are verified in Al Quran because it stresses the difference between truth and falsehood as absolutes. Personal experiences still can't be guidance like Al Quran is, not for the masses.
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I think the world is undergoing a complete crisis. And I mean crisis without any negative connotation. Everything must be brought in the open, everything must be considered anew, everything must be minutely and throughly examined to the bottom of it. Marriage, children, economy, everything.
Salaam Sis Huruf,
I have addressed you as sister, since many seem to think you are a brother; maybe because you are worried about the shortage of men. He he he or rotfl.Anyway, regarding your concern above that we are not gods and it is not our problem to come up with the solution for this century?s problem. Our job is to apply the rules of Allah, not invent new ones.
Allah(swt) kept this world in proportion for all this time and, this too will be taken care of insha?Allah. What amazes me is that, despite the great number of available singles quite a few women and men too are more attracted to the attached ones. Is it that the grass is greener on the other side or is this a case of the ?forbidden fruit? lure?
hmm
Best regards
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Salaam Sis Huruf,
I have addressed you as sister, since many seem to think you are a brother; maybe because you are worried about the shortage of men. He he he or rotfl.Huruf is a sister? o o o Now I understand ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh so much better! rotfl rotfl rotfl Wow, why didn't you just tell me so that I could handle you differently? ignore I can be more understanding of somethings from sisters instead of brothers. hmm Do you believe that? nope
You and Samia are definitely two of a kind! yes
Peace, jedi handshake
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Huruf is a sister? o o o Now I understand ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh so much better! rotfl rotfl rotfl Wow, why didn't you just tell me so that ignore I can be more understanding of somethings from sisters instead of brothers. hmm Do you believe that? nope
You and Samia are definitely two of a kind! yes
Peace, jedi handshake
I beg your pardon IQO
MY post was not directed to you but a light hearted response to the onset of 2008, as in other threads people have been calling huruf brother ...do we have to be sarcastic all the time???And could you explain what do you mean by this?
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I beg your pardon IQO
MY post was not directed to you but a light hearted response to the onset of 2008, as in other threads people have been calling huruf brother ...do we have to be sarcastic all the time???And could you explain what do you mean by this?
I didn't say that your post was directed to me, nor do I care. Anything written on a public forum is available for the public to comment on. I can be sarcastic, funny, serious, happy or whatever other emotion that I want to be at anytime on this forum. That's part of being free I guess and I would expect a "freeminder" to understand that. When your name becomes huruf, then I will explain to you what I said to her.
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The first time you say something nice about me! Are you alright?
We all have GOOD and BAD things about us! tempt Im not one who thinks like the "I am holier than thou" syndromers. nope I try to be an angel but of course I have my >D as well! yes
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Salaam Sis Huruf,
I have addressed you as sister, since many seem to think you are a brother; maybe because you are worried about the shortage of men. He he he or rotfl.Anyway, regarding your concern above that we are not gods and it is not our problem to come up with the solution for this century?s problem. Our job is to apply the rules of Allah, not invent new ones.
Allah(swt) kept this world in proportion for all this time and, this too will be taken care of insha?Allah. What amazes me is that, despite the great number of available singles quite a few women and men too are more attracted to the attached ones. Is it that the grass is greener on the other side or is this a case of the ?forbidden fruit? lure?
hmm
Best regards
faridaFarida, I don't know why you oppose what I say about understanding and examining to applying the quranic injunctions. In fact, as far as I know the Quran does tell us to examine the world, to reflect on what we see happening, on flows and events, on human nature and creation's nature. It is lack of reflection and objective observation of reality what has brought purported qur'an followers to scholars followers, or hadith followers. I don't know how do you propose to apply any rule to something if you do not even look and analyse deeply what that something is. The truthful qur'an is not a recipe book, it is a complete and deep guide infused of awareness of the human nature. God's sunna is something that should mean something to us. The history and historical evolution of our species should teach something, and history and events are on at every single moment, single year, single generation. The world will evolve into whatever, if you want to follow our fitra and God, we should reflect on what that whatever is, since there there are reflected Gods names as a Creator, and our Cretar creates us and what we are unceasingly. Don't we want to know how, what for, why, so that we worship Him and love Him more deply and heartfelt? He dictated the Qur'an and left, or is He still upholding His creation and shaping it Al Mussawir? Don't we want to wonder and admire His might, His wisdom, His innovation? His crativeness? I do. Isn't there in his plots more pull and teachings that in any great novel? I am surprised indeed by your answer, or rather by the conflict it seems to evoke to you. I think that gender roles, for instance, are time influenced, that societies and their customs and their knowledge and ignorance and their taboos change. Is that change aimless, purposeless, blind? There are things you cannot say today even if they are true and inofensive, because today we have our own taboo. Think for instance about what they call homosexuality. There is a very sure garantee that whatever you say about it will be used against you. Everything is like that, but still, inestead of going fearlessly and as prejudicedlessly as possible into the matter, we sort of tiptoe and cringe as if we were afraid of steping on some mouseand get the scare of our lives. And we believe that we can as believers further sciencess and knowledge? That way? How can we if we think that we cannot touch anything or peer into anything? Or do we think that God (astaghfirullah) is so sensitive that we might step on some toe of His? Are muslims supposed to have taboos, or taqwa?
Sorry, but I am a bit surprised by you answer to my post.
Salaam
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Farida, I don't know why you oppose what I say about understanding and examining to applying the quranic injunctions.
of His? Are muslims supposed to have taboos, or taqwa?Sorry, but I am a bit surprised by you answer to my post.
Salaam
Salaam Huruf,
Please do not think that I oppose your suggestion it?s just that, to me there are many other pending problems that I would rather deal with. What must address today rather than what may be laying ahead and I hope to continue to ponder on this.
BTW you ignored what I said about the excess of available men What amazes me is that, despite the great number of available singles, quite a few women and men too are more attracted to the attached ones. Is it that the grass is greener on the other side or is this a case of the ?forbidden fruit? lureBest regards
farida -
The question is que the pending problems may become more numerous and more serious if we refuse to diagnose and try to mould them to our own preconceptions. Things will not go back the way they were. We may get wilder and more brute and savages, but things are not going to go back to the older partterns, if we refuse to think hard and try to find new ways to establish useful and fair patterns, what awaits us is most probably unbridled savagery. There may be some similitude between that and previous ages, but we will not go back to a dreamed established mould which may be even never existed except in our conception before we knew the world better.
Diagnosing and accepting may take some time but blind trial will never arrange things.
In fact I would like you to state clearly exactly what you are calling for in this thread Whether it is some solution so that men do not divorce or that women do not pretend married men... I am confused about what you are looking for exactly.
For mi children should come first and their parents according to capacity should look after them with the burden distributed in equity. I don't know when you ask for injunctions from the Qur'an where you want to apply them. Because wht is evident is that you cannot apply something where the premises for application do not exist. Adn muy must also bear in mind that the purpose of any system is justice, not injustice, because of blindly following a recipe, be it the proper one or not.
So please, explain.
Salaam
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Salaams huruf,
Where are you from by the way? Considering that English is most probably not your first language (not to mention that you are a woman too angel ), I find it hard to even understand what you are trying to say sometimes! wow
The question is que the pending problems may become more numerous and more serious if we refuse to diagnose and try to mould them to our own preconceptions. Things will not go back the way they were. We may get wilder and more brute and savages, but things are not going to go back to the older partterns, if we refuse to think hard and try to find new ways to establish useful and fair patterns, what awaits us is most probably unbridled savagery. There may be some similitude between that and previous ages, but we will not go back to a dreamed established mould which may be even never existed except in our conception before we knew the world better.
Diagnosing and accepting may take some time but blind trial will never arrange things.
In fact I would like you to state clearly exactly what you are calling for in this thread Whether it is some solution so that men do not divorce or that women do not pretend married men... I am confused about what you are looking for exactly.
For mi children should come first and their parents according to capacity should look after them with the burden distributed in equity. I don't know when you ask for injunctions from the Qur'an where you want to apply them. Because wht is evident is that you cannot apply something where the premises for application do not exist. Adn muy must also bear in mind that the purpose of any system is justice, not injustice, because of blindly following a recipe, be it the proper one or not.
So please, explain.
Salaam