Face cover: God's only flaw?
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Why do you rant so much? Where is anything remotely from Al Quran that could add to this discussion in this crap that you write? hmm If you don't like this thread....pick another one! and stop brickwall you seem & or do you just want to voodoo us?
What do you know what I know? Who are you to judge? When I say something with certainty, I say it because I know it to my satisfaction. If you want to hear something else, then go yourself to whoever you please. I say what I have said because I am certain of it. If you are certain of what you say, then that is good enough for you, great, practice it and enjoy it, I wish you all the best. But you see, I don't like speculation and picking hints here and there and then coming up with something invented. So as far as I am concerned your certainties are not convincing, I am sorry to say. If there was a command in the qur'an to cover the head we could never deny it and we would not be dicussing about it. We do not deny there is a command not to eat pork, not to go about unddressed, and not to commit adultery. ?Have you seen anybody deny that? But there is not command to cover the head. Many men would like that there should be such a command and they strive hard to for it. But the Qur'an was revealed many hundreds of years ago and it didn't bring such command. Why it is so important for some people that there should be such thing beats me. However, even realising how much its lack makes some people suffer, the QUR'AN DOES NOT ORDER WOMEN TO COVER THEIR HEAD. And nobody has quoted such a thing, and a few more millions of pages speculating on the history of apparel and fashion won't make appear in the Qur'an such a comand. That people should go to such ridiculous extremes to have their whim on this is part of what makes people feel repelled by anything about the Qur'an and the Truth, because they come thinking of truth and they get an unending shower of superficialities and ridiculous nonsense, which indeed is nto in the Qur'an but the warped minds of those who give their own fantasies on it instead of reflecting and accepting.
So do you want me to go and ask? Why? do you think that this has not been already answered thousands of times by the best "scholars" to most people utter disatisfaction? It did satisfy you? Magnificent. So we are both happy. If there was reincarnation, it would be great. You could again be born a woman and cover your head almost all the time, which is so miraculous.
Salaam
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Salaams Raj-ah,
Very well said, along with other things in your post. Nice to see another voice of reason.
As Salaamu Alaikum, peace
the words used by the Qur?an are such that one is inclined towards believing that the Qur?an wants Muslim women to cover their heads when they have to interact with men and the logical reason for this is as said by Learner
The Words "They should spread their head coverings over their bosoms", in my opinion, imply that the piece of cloth used as head coverings should be spread over the bosom while keeping the head covered. If the Qur?an wanted women to cover only their bosoms with a piece of cloth, I think it would then have been more appropriate to give the directive without any reference to the head coverings. It seems that Arab women used to cover their heads with a long piece of cloth let the sides of that cloth hang behind them. What the Qur?an has directed them to do in the referred verse is to cover their bosoms with that part of their head coverings which was left hanging. -
My rant, my dear brother IQO is that you are free to wear what you like, I am free to wear what I want, but you are not free to invent commands and attribute them to the Truthful Qur'an.
Salaam
Invention is this that people have given such meaning to "khimaar" that if some lady goes to some "mall" and asks for "khimaar" and she is handed over the "Lid of the manhole because "Khimaar means any sort of cover".
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Huh? ??? Are you so absorbed with trying to dispute with me that you are now confusing me with Al-Quran Only huruf? hmm wow rotfl
?Why am I not surprised that when you are looking for an analogy of a piece of feminine clothing you come up with the cover of a gutter?
Salaam, IQO
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My excuses, IQO, seems that I got the "onlys" mixed up. So that one was not for you.
My excuses Al-Quran only. I take the surprise particularly regarding you personally, although in general it happens many time that fruedian slips of this kind show what people think really. Since I don't know you that much to be suprised or not, my excuses. Now, freudian slips or not, you argument doesn't cut. There is no command to cover the head in the Qur'an, no matter how many kinds of plain covers, head covers or manhole covers you make appear in front of the spectator.
Salaam
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There is no command to cover the head in the Qur'an, no matter how many kinds of plain covers, head covers or manhole covers you make appear in front of the spectator.
ARE YOU SO 100% SURE THAT KHIMAAR IN 2431 DOES NOT MEAN HEADSCARF, AND THAT FOR BELIEVING WOMEN TO SPREAD IT OVER THEIR CHEST AREA MEANS THAT THEY KEEP IT ON THEIR HEAD AND DO THAT WITH IT ON THEIR HEAD; THAT YOU DON'T FEAR ALLAH FOR SAYING THAT IT DOESN'T EXIST AT ALL IN AL-QURAN? & & & & &
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Yes, dear brother IQO, I hope this time I am nod confounding you with other, I am 100% de Qur'an does not order that.
Salaam, dear brother
I guess that means that you don't wear one then huh? rotfl ignore & nope How old are you btw? Maybe you are past the age necessary to wear one so it is of on consequence! ;D hmm
Salaam, dear sister angel
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Doesn't matter what I wear or don't wear, what matters is that whatever I wear I am under no command, nor any person is, to cover the head for its own sake. I may use a hat for the sun, when there is sun, but not to cover the head for the sake of some persons who happen to invent something that does not exist in the truthful and clear Qur'an.
Salaam, dear brother
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Salaam dear sister,
Okay, got it pass the age! angel
Doesn't matter what I wear or don't wear, what matters is that whatever I wear I am under no command, nor any person is, to cover the head for its own sake. I may use a hat for the sun, when there is sun, but not to cover the head for the sake of some persons who happen to invent something that does not exist in the truthful and clear Qur'an.
Salaam, dear brother
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My excuses, IQO, seems that I got the "onlys" mixed up. So that one was not for you.
My excuses Al-Quran only. I take the surprise particularly regarding you personally, although in general it happens many time that fruedian slips of this kind show what people think really. Since I don't know you that much to be suprised or not, my excuses. Now, freudian slips or not, you argument doesn't cut. There is no command to cover the head in the Qur'an, no matter how many kinds of plain covers, head covers or manhole covers you make appear in front of the spectator.
Salaam
If we take your logic that there is no comman in the Quran to "cover the head",so it is not necessary to cover the head.
Can you show my any clear command of the Al-Quran to cover the body except for genital and boob s?
So according to your logic The Al-Quran allows a woman to be completely naked except to cover genitals and breasts.
Congratulations to Porn stars for this "Quranic certificate' -
If we take your logic that there is no comman in the Quran to "cover the head",so it is not necessary to cover the head.
Can you show my any clear command of the Al-Quran to cover the body except for genital and boob s?
So according to your logic The Al-Quran allows a woman to be completely naked except to cover genitals and breasts.
Congratulations to Porn stars for this "Quranic certificate'Don't congratulate me, dear brother, congratulate yourself since it is you who is saying everything that you say. Now, since you have gone into it, what do you think the Qur'an tells men to cover?
Salaam,
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Dear Maria
When The word "Khimaar' is used for• 1;woman it EXCLUSIVELY means head cover
2any other thing then it is a cover (not necessarily that of cloth)
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Taajul Aroos says
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From second definition which you are using "Khimaar " can be anycover of anything.The cover of manhole is also a khimaar.Are the women ordered to cover the breasts with
1;Bed covers
2;Windowpanes
3;curtains
4;Iron covers
5;wooden covers
But NOT HEADSCARF (ACCORDING TO YOU)Peace,
Hmm have you not thought that there exist seemless fabrics?
I really think that khimar could be a seemless fabric to wrap around your chest, your body. very common in Africa and also in Asia in form of sarongs.Maria
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Don't congratulate me, dear brother, congratulate yourself since it is you who is saying everything that you say. Now, since you have gone into it, what do you think the Qur'an tells men to cover?
Salaam,
Dear sister
First of all ,I am not congratulating you (extremely sorry if you felt like that- I cannot use such words for my respectable sisters).My reference to you is only with respect to "issueing quranic certificat" to them.Of course "same certificate" will work for men also.
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Peace,
Hmm have you not thought that there exist seemless fabrics?
I really think that khimar could be a seemless fabric to wrap around your chest, your body. very common in Africa and also in Asia in form of sarongs.Maria
Peace,
You mean you don't prefer the little leather straps of covering that Samia supports? o You prefer seamless fabric over the iron covers that are also used as manhole covers? rotfl I am really happy to see that you women have so many choices to cover your chest area with iron, wood, plastic, etc., etc., etc....and let's not forget the ultimate seemless fabric if someone chooses? (btw, what does "seemless" have to do with anything? ??? )
But whatever you do, DEFINITELY DON'T EVER USE A HEADSCARF ON YOUR HEAD TO SPREAD OVER YOUR CHEST AREA! confused Spread the iron, just make sure it is hot before trying to spread it! rotfl rotfl rotfl
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Peace,
You mean you don't prefer the little leather straps of covering that Samia supports? o You prefer seamless fabric over the iron covers that are also used as manhole covers? rotfl I am really happy to see that you women have so many choices to cover your chest area with iron, wood, plastic, etc., etc., etc....and let's not forget the ultimate seemless fabric if someone chooses? (btw, what does "seemless" have to do with anything? ??? )
But whatever you do, DEFINITELY DON'T EVER USE A HEADSCARF ON YOUR HEAD TO SPREAD OVER YOUR CHEST AREA! confused Spread the iron, just make sure it is hot before trying to spread it! rotfl rotfl rotfl
Peace,
I have no clue why you laughing?
If someone order me to cover my breast today I would put on a bra and then a t-shirt or a blouse, my normal clothes so to speak.Back then, if they only wear a skirt and nothing upper, that would be logic to take a seemless fabric and tie around your chest. I see nothing strange in this at all. But I do feel strange if someone order me to cover my chest and then said I must hang my fabric over my head and then cover my chest, hmm very strange command not very smart )
Maria
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Peace,
I see you lack a sense of humor. So let me help you. Spreading hot iron over your chest area would burn. So if a "khimaar" is anything that covers, then that could be included by definition. So it is being sarcastic to prove that for "khimaar" to be just "anything that covers", is not a realistic definition of the term in the context in which it is used in Al Quran. duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. !
Let me guess, you are also of the opinion that all the women were running around naked back then also? o Have you people that think this ever thought about the ayaat dealing with jilbaab and other clothing? What about the ones that talk about your times of undress? How can you have times of undress if you are already naked? ??? brickwall I just wanted to do that! ignore
Please, wise up and get off this ride that "khimaar" means a table cloth or any type of cover that you want it to mean including bra. By the way, how do you spread a bra over your chest area? & rotfl
As Salaamu Alaikum, peace
Peace,
I have no clue why you laughing?
If someone order me to cover my breast today I would put on a bra and then a t-shirt or a blouse, my normal clothes so to speak.Back then, if they only wear a skirt and nothing upper, that would be logic to take a seemless fabric and tie around your chest. I see nothing strange in this at all. But I do feel strange if someone order me to cover my chest and then said I must hang my fabric over my head and then cover my chest, hmm very strange command not very smart
Maria