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    jankren
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    Peace all,

    Just returning to say that I still do browse through this forum, from time to time. Haven't posted in ages.

    But also my post here is to inform of a decision that I am 99% in the process of making.

    Then goodbye? peace

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      zenje
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      Peace be with you esimsek,

      May you find happiness wherever you go. And you're always welcome here either way.

      peace

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        burhan
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        I'm leaving all religion, all deen. It's not through a lack of belief, as I still do believe in one creator.

        Nothing to be ashamed of, this was the same stance taken by Prophet Abraham.

        I have some issues with the Quran and I can't find a valid, rational, logical answer to those questions.

        First issue deals with homos.exuals. I do not agree with punishment for them (from humans).

        The Quran states that Allah makes it a sin and should we find them committing this sin then we punish them. I see no justification, as it is an agreement between two people who've made THEIR choice and thus us humans have no right to punish them. If indeed it is a sin then only Allah is in a position to punish.

        Read my posts on this topic, My reading of the quran led me to a different conclusion.

        Which brings me to adultery. If it's cheating, then I can see the justification of punishment. However, if it is punishment for se.xual acts between a couple who aren't married then there is no justification for punishment. Once again it's an agreement between two people, no one elses business.

        Marriage is encouraged to prevent cheating. Again this topic has been dealt with extensively. Most co-habiting couples
        would be considered married according to the Quran.

        May God increase our knowlegde.

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          nazz
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          Wonderful esimsek100! D

          Now, with your new-found mindset you are ready to grow! Take a look at these (non-religious) gems! !

          http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16040.0
          http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=15915.0

          Kindest Regards,
          nazz peace

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            Jack
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            That's a cheap excuse. Let's say it does happen, it may be a 1 in a 10000000000000000000000 chance, but there is still a chance of it happening.

            The punishment is for public sex and pornography. You are making an emotional choice rather than a logical one.

            I will say what Zenje said

            Peace be with you esimsek,

            May you find happiness wherever you go. And you're always welcome here either way.

            peace

            Peace Burhan,

            Most co-habiting couples
            would be considered married according to the Quran.

            Interesting, what's your proof? Perhaps you can link me to a thread where you discussed this.

            Imran.

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              burhan
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              Interesting, what's your proof? Perhaps you can link me to a thread where you discussed this.

              Nikkah in the Quran is not a piece of paper or what society or culture deem acceptable, it's the reality on the ground that matters.

              Most co-habitting couples satisfy the following requirements

              1. Consent of both people.
              2. Consent of both parents.
              3. A gift from the man to the women
              4. Intention and promise of comittment.
              5. Several witness who can testify to the relationship.
              6. Sex which consumates the marriage.
              7. No sex outside the relationship.

              As long they follow the rules for seperation I think they have done nothing wrong.

              All that remains is a priest and lawyer .... well I found nothing in the Quran that mandates their involvement.

              Marriage is a matter strictly between two people.

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                Wakas
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                peace esimsek, all,

                I believe this was the original thread
                http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13165.15

                All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                  Tony
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                  Nikkah in the Quran is not a piece of paper or what society or culture deem acceptable, it's the reality on the ground that matters.

                  Most co-habitting couples satisfy the following requirements

                  1. Consent of both people.
                  2. Consent of both parents.
                  3. A gift from the man to the women
                  4. Intention and promise of comittment.
                  5. Several witness who can testify to the relationship.
                  6. Sex which consumates the marriage.
                  7. No sex outside the relationship.

                  As long they follow the rules for seperation I think they have done nothing wrong.

                  All that remains is a priest and lawyer .... well I found nothing in the Quran that mandates their involvement.

                  Marriage is a matter strictly between two people.

                  Hi burhan! Can you provide us the verse which requires co-habiting couples to have parental consent and the intention and promise of commitment? Thanks.

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                    humandesign
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                    Hello there,

                    I found this site as a result of trying to find anyone on the internet that focused on beleiving in one God. This was as a result of my great spiritual awakening.

                    I generally do agree with eisimsek100.

                    Here is my blog for anyone interested http//naturalhumandesign.blogspot.com/

                    I do hope to post quite a few more details about my experiences in the future.

                    It would be nice to hear about your refelctions on my blog.

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                      AaRoN
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                      hey esimsek long time no chitty chat

                      you go easy bro

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